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[Duskfall98]

I'm saying your reasoning on the marth issue doesn't check out

Are you saying you disagree that attempting to solve the game with reasoning backing you up is pro-town?

 

[Duskfall98]

Two questions for anyone familiar with the site meta here:

Is there usually difficulty in getting games off the ground? I don’t mean that as a dig but right now I’m in a weird state where I feel like more should be happening but idk what to do to make more happen

What do y’all think of smogon account? My first thought on post 55 specifically was that it was TMIng bluedoom as town. He’s also giving me strong under-the-radar vibes by just popping in every so often to give a simple comment without much commitment to things.

Duskfall trying to clear Clarinet is a good look for him, especially so early. Not necessarily a good move but potentially locking oneself into such a read so early isn’t really a scum move.

Disagree that bluedoom was “searching for a real reason” to justify his rvs vote; he explicitly called it random when calling for a Jordan wagon. Is there something else regarding this I’m missing Texas Cloverleaf?

bluedoom what type of response(s) were you expecting from Dusk re: Your Jordan vote and Clarinet? I think both the hedging on the Clarinet read and not following up after you said your vote was random would be natural things to do.

Unvote: Duskfall98
Vote: Smogon account

Not usually but me and texas are the only two regulars playing this game, so I am not sure how much site meta applies. There are more SF regulars than smogon in this game lol.

I have played 2 discord noc games with smogon account recently and I have to say that his methods are unorthodox at best. He is very hard to read imo because he is one of those players who just act scummy every game.

 

[patos]

tonithetourguide why can you get behind a bluedoom wagon, justify your vote please

The Jordan wagon, though probably a joke, just irks me slightly. It's not much of a read but it's better than nothing (basically all I have).

 

[smogon account]

Two questions for anyone familiar with the site meta here:

Is there usually difficulty in getting games off the ground? I don’t mean that as a dig but right now I’m in a weird state where I feel like more should be happening but idk what to do to make more happen

What do y’all think of smogon account? My first thought on post 55 specifically was that it was TMIng bluedoom as town. He’s also giving me strong under-the-radar vibes by just popping in every so often to give a simple comment without much commitment to things.

Duskfall trying to clear Clarinet is a good look for him, especially so early. Not necessarily a good move but potentially locking oneself into such a read so early isn’t really a scum move.

Disagree that bluedoom was “searching for a real reason” to justify his rvs vote; he explicitly called it random when calling for a Jordan wagon. Is there something else regarding this I’m missing Texas Cloverleaf?

bluedoom what type of response(s) were you expecting from Dusk re: Your Jordan vote and Clarinet? I think both the hedging on the Clarinet read and not following up after you said your vote was random would be natural things to do.

Unvote: Duskfall98
Vote: Smogon account

I really dislike being called out as under the radar.
vote: fenrir aesir
also, if dusk trying to clear clarinet is a good look on him, how is that different from me trying to clear bluedoom so early? Double standards, fitting a narrative, you're full of crap, you're a wolf

 

[smogon account]

also, nobody answered my question
I've heard that wolves tend to lean more on RVS as real votes but I don't understand why that's parroted

 

[Texas Cloverleaf]

also, nobody answered my question
I've heard that wolves tend to lean more on RVS as real votes but I don't understand why that's parroted

Wolves are more self-conscious about their votes, have a tendency to over justify

 

[smogon account]

While I don't exactly have a glowing town read of dusk atm I don't particularly think his wagon is fruitful
everyone should already know what I think about bluedoom :D

I'm giving a tentative town read to texas on the basis of extreme paranoia

jordan and clarinet null

sultan null

toni and fenrir got as wolf leans

toni vote looks phony to me

 

[smogon account]

okay, getting accused of being scum is a little bit better than nothing AT ALL happening

 

[Texas Cloverleaf]

lynching toni might be our best bet tbh, lurker lynches are generally pretty bad but with toni he's a serial lurker and he basically has to be lynched at some point, if the last couple games are anything to go off of we really don't want to be relying on his vote as we get closer to lylo

 

[Texas Cloverleaf]

fuck it, less than a day to deadline, some wagon has to build

vote tonithetourguide

 

[XnadrojX]

Are you saying you disagree that attempting to solve the game with reasoning backing you up is pro-town?

That's the thing exactly, I don't think your line of reasoning leads to gamesolving

 

[XnadrojX]

Ok for real marth hasn't been overly towny imo but why is his wagon building so easily? Can people give reasonings please lol

Imma have to throw a town lean on Texas/marth for being like the only people to actually back themselves up and attempting to actually solve the game. I don't think scum tries to progress the game as marth did there, even if it's kind of a bad read it feels like he's trying his best to scum hunt from nothing.

1. The very premise that Marth's wagon is building quickly is erroneous.

2. Something like 7 votes were made on other people, and reasonings were very much given (Texas, Toni sheep)

3. "Let's go ride or die" is no way a read nor reasoning, it's literally as RVS as everything else there.


This whole post feels like it was made with intentions other than solving because I don't think anyone who's "solving game" works off a false premise with questionable logic.

 

[XnadrojX]

I really dislike being called out as under the radar.
vote: fenrir aesir
also, if dusk trying to clear clarinet is a good look on him, how is that different from me trying to clear bluedoom so early? Double standards, fitting a narrative, you're full of crap, you're a wolf

This gives me omgus vibes in a wolfy way

 

[Texas Cloverleaf]

This gives me omgus vibes in a wolfy way

why is is omgus in a wolfy way and not omgus in an omgus way?

 

[smogon account]

does it have to be omgus? Can he not just be a wolf?

 

[XnadrojX]

I really dislike being called out as under the radar.
vote: fenrir aesir
also, if dusk trying to clear clarinet is a good look on him, how is that different from me trying to clear bluedoom so early? Double standards, fitting a narrative, you're full of crap, you're a wolf

"I think you're scum because you didn't townread me but you townread this other guy"

rubs me the wrong way

 

[Duskfall98]

That's the thing exactly, I don't think your line of reasoning leads to gamesolving

I'm not talking about mine I'm talking about marths

 

[Duskfall98]

XnadrojX what's your readlist right now?

 

[Duskfall98]

Bomb moss has only interacted with people to scumread them so far tbh and j don't really like it. He hasn't asked any questions or tried to gamesolve/townread anyone. Feels like it could be wolf trying to keep his options open/not commit to a townread for ease of mislynch.

The only person outsider of me/smogon account (his scumreads) he has referenced is Texas in a post where he basically sucks his dick for free brownie points?

 

[Duskfall98]

Sorry bomb moss=Jordan

 

[smogon account]

"I think you're scum because you didn't townread me but you townread this other guy"

rubs me the wrong way

it's meant to be interpreted this way:
"What makes p1's town read 'a good look', and mine "TMI on bluedoom'?"
it's scummy because it shows they aren't actually reading certain things as alignment indicative and rather starting from a position and cherrypicking to suit their reads
it's not legitimate scumhunting and my wolf read on them is because of the logic gap and not the "y u no townread me"

 

[bluedoom]

Two questions for anyone familiar with the site meta here:

Is there usually difficulty in getting games off the ground? I don’t mean that as a dig but right now I’m in a weird state where I feel like more should be happening but idk what to do to make more happen

What do y’all think of smogon account? My first thought on post 55 specifically was that it was TMIng bluedoom as town. He’s also giving me strong under-the-radar vibes by just popping in every so often to give a simple comment without much commitment to things.

Duskfall trying to clear Clarinet is a good look for him, especially so early. Not necessarily a good move but potentially locking oneself into such a read so early isn’t really a scum move.

Disagree that bluedoom was “searching for a real reason” to justify his rvs vote; he explicitly called it random when calling for a Jordan wagon. Is there something else regarding this I’m missing Texas Cloverleaf?

bluedoom what type of response(s) were you expecting from Dusk re: Your Jordan vote and Clarinet? I think both the hedging on the Clarinet read and not following up after you said your vote was random would be natural things to do.

Unvote: Duskfall98
Vote: Smogon account

gonna have to ask you why dusk is different from smogon account wrt townreads. their play was similar except dusk tried to clear people based off of mechanics and faulty reasoning.

the hedging on the clarinet read looks bad because a wolf can easily back off from a derp clear because well,derp clears are faulty. Wolves want to just appear proactive and solvey so its kinda off to try to derp clear someone over something trivial and then just not be as decisive a few posts later. wrt him not following up on his questions well I assumed that he was reaching to some conclusions but his line of questioning never went anywhere which looks sketchy if you're town trying to solve the game

 

[bluedoom]

toni is null but if we lynch him and he's not maf we're back to square one with a number less

 

[XnadrojX]

Bomb moss has only interacted with people to scumread them so far tbh and j don't really like it. He hasn't asked any questions or tried to gamesolve/townread anyone. Feels like it could be wolf trying to keep his options open/not commit to a townread for ease of mislynch.

The only person outsider of me/smogon account (his scumreads) he has referenced is Texas in a post where he basically sucks his dick for free brownie points?

Not my fault that everyone I've tried to interact with looks scummy to me

 

[XnadrojX]

it's meant to be interpreted this way:
"What makes p1's town read 'a good look', and mine "TMI on bluedoom'?"
it's scummy because it shows they aren't actually reading certain things as alignment indicative and rather starting from a position and cherrypicking to suit their reads
it's not legitimate scumhunting and my wolf read on them is because of the logic gap and not the "y u no townread me"

Oh then I misread completely. Whoops lol