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GG Unit said:
If not for the genuinely brilliant and creative teams players like Jumpman16 came up with, I wouldn't have been inspired to play any of this postgame stuff at all, and the community has clearly regressed since then to a chummy, circlejerk type of environment where only the people who post in Discord often enough have their opinions considered valid.
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Ironic.

This is the first time in years you've had anything remotely positive to say about me or anyone else in seemingly years. If you actually wonder why the community has regressed, it has everything to do with posts like this, where you literally discourage and invalidate the brilliance, creativity and efforts of anyone else.

GG Unit, you have been a detriment to this community.

You have discouraged users like me from actually trying by being an taciturn moving target. And you have discouraged the posting of our community with years of petty, mean-spirited belittlement and criticism.

Why do you think Level 51 just went in on you so hard?

And why do you think I disappeared?

Even when I questioned the gameplay of Vizually for savestating, you went out of your way to be a conversation-killer:

"Not really worth that much discussion other than it's obviously fake."

Not only does this kind of rhetoric kill discussion, it missed the point, one that Altissimo and ReptoAbysmal gladly expounded upon. And even further, the irony here is that what you dismissed has actually occurred right under "our" noses here:

Someone on the leaderboard with a remarkable streak savestated his or her progress. And it is ironic that you of all people, someone who loves criticizing teams and generally knocking posters down a peg, have missed it.

(I'm probably not going to out the offending poster. I've known about the savestating for a long time, and a new generation is upon us tomorrow. Chalk it up as one of many things I haven't posted here, even though I've wanted to.)

Unchecked savestating is enough to keep would-be community members from playing and contributing. But what baffles me most about you, GG Unit, is how you would so brazenly decide to be a moving target the second you got to #1, after I expressed how discouraging that was when TDP did it in the Battle Maison. It is as though you, by going months at a time without posting your progress when you got to the top, decided to discourage anyone would dare challenge you to deal with the same "torture" I detailed in that post.

So, take it as personally as you want to, but your moving-target streak has not mattered to me one bit. When you went out of your way last gen to affect the weirdest flex ever on VaporeonIce and me, trying to prove that your beloved Chansey was better than Suicune and his slightly different Chansey on our respective, soon-to-be-2,000-win teams, I knew what was more important to you. When you decided to be a taciturn moving target for much of this generation in the Tree, I knew what was more important to you.

And if it is more important for you to discourage users and contribute to the regression of this community, keep doing what you've been doing. And people will either leave this community, or not want to post. But if you're more interested in uplifting our community, you can decide to engage the way you used to, generations ago.

I hope that Sword and Shield breathes new life into this community, and that all our users, new and old, will be encouraged to contribute positively to the community. And while I've saved quite a bit of time not caring about the BT for the past year or so, I've missed it, and have missed this community more. I miss not posting. I miss the days where people weren't moving targets, and where people didn't savestate to pass off streaks as legit. If you're going to be a part of this community, don't be a part of the problem.
 
Jumpman16 said:
Unchecked savestating is enough to keep would-be community members from playing and contributing. But what baffles me most about you, GG Unit, is how you would so brazenly decide to be a moving target the second you got to #1, after I expressed how discouraging that was when TDP did it in the Battle Maison. It is as though you, by going months at a time without posting your progress when you got to the top, decided to discourage anyone would dare challenge you to deal with the same "torture" I detailed in that post.

So, take it as personally as you want to, but your moving-target streak has not mattered to me one bit. When you went out of your way last gen to affect the weirdest flex ever on VaporeonIce and me, trying to prove that your beloved Chansey was better than Suicune and his slightly different Chansey on our respective, soon-to-be-2,000-win teams, I knew what was more important to you. When you decided to be a taciturn moving target for much of this generation in the Tree, I knew what was more important to you.
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Re: moving targets, or streak parking as I call it, I don't think this trend is anyone's fault specifically but a result of a combination of factors. There are still many parked streaks of unknown length and status on the Maison Triples leaderboards for instance, and in both Singles and Doubles right now for Tree.

I do agree on it being less than ideal and adding uncertainty to leaderboard listings - but in practice, is requiring users to finish their streaks and report on a final number eventually something we can expect to realistically enforce? If users get bored, disappear, or simply stop playing and never return to their streaks they've already grinded enough for or just play at a slow pace, the main solutions I see are to either not include ongoing streaks to the leaderboards - or include them on a board but continue marking them as ongoing/parked indefinitely. The former doesn't seem workable to me since many streaks today legitimately have gone on for years, and not because of unsportsmanlike conduct on the player's part - if these are not listed then right now not only would GG Unit's streak not be listed, but HeadsILoseTailsYouWin's second-place ongoing streak would also be ineligible, even though Tree season is about to close already.

My idea for how to tackle streak parking in 8th gen - assuming that streaks still exist in the game - is to have separate leaderboards: one for finished streaks as the main leaderboard, and a second one consisting entirely of ongoing streaks as sort of a "waiting list" to encourage posting and list ongoing long-term streaks for interest and team/streak indexing, but retain a separation between the two and hopefully encourage players to "officialize" their streaks for the finished streaks listing. Obviously this is just a change in presentation - but I don't see streak parking going anywhere after its prominence in the 6th and 7th generations, unless the way people play facilities somehow changes in a big way resulting in more playing even on very long streaks and streaks being finished sooner.
 
Peterko tried separating finished and unfinished streaks in Gen IV (without telling anyone beforehand), and it didn't go over very well.

If you are at the top of the leaderboard, I feel you are obligated to post your status with some semblance of regularity. GG Unit didn't post an update on his #1 streak for 16 months from March 2017 to July 2018. You posted consistent updates on your massive Triples streak, and were playing Singles and Doubles too and posting those as well.

Think about how your progress may have been different if you'd seen "-FG-, (4,500*)" or "brakerider, (3,500*)" for months and months while you were at 2,000 or 3,000. While streak parking may only affect a small subset of our community, it affects the play of all players at the top with active streaks.
 
I didn't know Peterko had tried it before - with the system I'm working on for leaderboard management (mostly automated generation and formatting from a spreadsheet source), moving between united and separate leaderboards for various things will be very simple depending on how it's received. Requiring updates to ongoing streaks every few months could definitely be a reasonable rule, that is a great idea to consider - maybe for top 3 streaks that could be required, even if said update is that the number is still the same.
 
Jumpman16 said:
Ironic.

This is the first time in years you've had anything remotely positive to say about me or anyone else in seemingly years. If you actually wonder why the community has regressed, it has everything to do with posts like this, where you literally discourage and invalidate the brilliance, creativity and efforts of anyone else.

GG Unit, you have been a detriment to this community.

You have discouraged users like me from actually trying by being an taciturn moving target. And you have discouraged the posting of our community with years of petty, mean-spirited belittlement and criticism.

Why do you think Level 51 just went in on you so hard?

And why do you think I disappeared?

Even when I questioned the gameplay of Vizually for savestating, you went out of your way to be a conversation-killer:

"Not really worth that much discussion other than it's obviously fake."

Not only does this kind of rhetoric kill discussion, it missed the point, one that Altissimo and ReptoAbysmal gladly expounded upon. And even further, the irony here is that what you dismissed has actually occurred right under "our" noses here:

Someone on the leaderboard with a remarkable streak savestated his or her progress. And it is ironic that you of all people, someone who loves criticizing teams and generally knocking posters down a peg, have missed it.

(I'm probably not going to out the offending poster. I've known about the savestating for a long time, and a new generation is upon us tomorrow. Chalk it up as one of many things I haven't posted here, even though I've wanted to.)

Unchecked savestating is enough to keep would-be community members from playing and contributing. But what baffles me most about you, GG Unit, is how you would so brazenly decide to be a moving target the second you got to #1, after I expressed how discouraging that was when TDP did it in the Battle Maison. It is as though you, by going months at a time without posting your progress when you got to the top, decided to discourage anyone would dare challenge you to deal with the same "torture" I detailed in that post.

So, take it as personally as you want to, but your moving-target streak has not mattered to me one bit. When you went out of your way last gen to affect the weirdest flex ever on VaporeonIce and me, trying to prove that your beloved Chansey was better than Suicune and his slightly different Chansey on our respective, soon-to-be-2,000-win teams, I knew what was more important to you. When you decided to be a taciturn moving target for much of this generation in the Tree, I knew what was more important to you.

And if it is more important for you to discourage users and contribute to the regression of this community, keep doing what you've been doing. And people will either leave this community, or not want to post. But if you're more interested in uplifting our community, you can decide to engage the way you used to, generations ago.

I hope that Sword and Shield breathes new life into this community, and that all our users, new and old, will be encouraged to contribute positively to the community. And while I've saved quite a bit of time not caring about the BT for the past year or so, I've missed it, and have missed this community more. I miss not posting. I miss the days where people weren't moving targets, and where people didn't savestate to pass off streaks as legit. If you're going to be a part of this community, don't be a part of the problem.
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I'm at 4375. It's not a 'moving target,' I posted a stream a couple months ago of some battles up to 4276 (genuinely unsure if you saw the post because the thread only updates multiples of 1000) and obviously haven't played a whole bunch since then. If I need to post a weekly update on how long my streak is or something that's fine (hell, it's fine if someone wants to create a separate, better leaderboard for good boys and girls who play and post about Pokemon on a more regular basis as it doesn't change anything about the team I'm using), but in my experience nobody even watches battle videos (and I can't blame them for how slow the videos play or how unwieldy it is to skip around when most of the battle is just Moody stalling) so I don't see much point in spamming the thread with 'I'm now at XXXX' updates even if I happen across a battle that's somewhat interesting or funny to me. To me that seemed like the point of why the leaderboard only gets updated for multiples of 1000 in the first place.

Also I wouldn't characterize using Chansey as a 'weird flex' - it was about the closest thing to an actual experiment that can be done where you hold a bunch of stuff constant (I even kept the same nature/EVs as VaporeonIce's Chansey when it seemed pretty clear that more Speed would be better) and try something new, and I was glad to be able to show people who might have considered learning to RNG and buying an older game to capture a flawless legendary too high a barrier to entry for getting a long streak a more accessible version of your team that could achieve at least a comparable level of success. If having the audacity to actually try to test out whether another Pokemon or moveset could be more optimal than what someone else was running is considered an attack or whatever, that's pretty much exactly the mindset I was talking about in the first place that just leads to a bunch of fossilized 'conventional wisdom' that never gets challenged. I would love if someone found some tweak(s) that would make my Glalie team better; I haven't changed it since initially theorymonning it, and while I've spent a bit of time thinking through other options it's far more likely I've just come across something 'good enough' and have some mental blind spots blocking me from finding something better than it is that there's no possible way to improve it.

I could probably guess who you're referring to re: savestating, and my response would be the same reason why I responded in kind to your question about Vizually - people putting forth hacked streaks is just a low-level form of trolling/attention-seeking behavior that in most cases does not need to be dignified with a response. It's like trying to debate about global warming - the people on one side of it have no intention of actually proving they're correct and are simply happy to obfuscate things enough to make a few of the more easily confused people say "hmm it seems like there's some back-and-forth here so I guess there's no way of knowing who's right." If it gets to the level where unwitting people would try to copy such a team because it looks unique/fun/hyper-offensive or whatever and I'm confident enough that even someone looking up sets and making damage calcs would fall flat on their face using it, then I'm more likely to say something for those players' sake. I'm certainly fine with the suggestion that I've erred on the side of being too lenient because as far as I see it, there's been at least a few times I put myself in a position to look extremely foolish if someone were to rack up some more wins with their team and/or post a single battle video where they maybe overcame some hax or something. By and large, though, those people tend to take their ball and go home.
 
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Hi,

I would like to respond to the debating which I've read on the last few pages of this awesome thread regarding unfinished streaks at the top of the leader board and the community not knowing by how many battles this unfinished streak may or may not have advanced.
My very own streak may have been up there the longest without any of you knowing where I am currently at since march this year.

And I would like to apologize for that.

Mainly to Eisenherz and Josh C. as this may have affected them in their own road to the top (congratulations to both of you, really awesome work you guys put up there!) but also to anyone else who feels like this is unfair to other player who aim for the #1 spot. I completely agree with the arguments I have been reading today and if I were in the 2.000+ range not knowing if the person holding the record is at 2.500, 3.000 or even higher, it would pressure me in an unhealthy way.

I didn't update my streak to keep you in the dark but because I didn't advance it. Between march and april I did a handful of battles so I am a little higher than 2.220 but I know I didn't reach 2.300. I took a hiatus from the game and didn't bother to mention this, I took this hiatus because the game took control over my life (I am very sensitive to this). I feel like I have control over my personal life now and while I do miss this game and the community I am unaware if I will be coming back for generation 8 but I guess not.

It has never been my intention to keep anyone in the dark and I should have posted about this back in april when I kinda figured out for myself I wasn't going to advance it. Therefor I think it would be best to list my streak as finished for the record.

I wish you all good fortune and a lot of fun in the generation 8 adaption of the Battle Tree, or this one.

With kind regards,

Eppie

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I'm sorry for the acrimony of late. It's especially unfortunate because basically everybody involved in the recent bad blood has substantially inspired/instructed/motivated me during my time in this little "battle facilities" corner of Smogon, and I hate to see ill-feelings on an endeavor that, though absolutely competitive, has always maintained a collegial feel here. Naturally, putting together a massive streak and getting to share/brag about it feels great, but it also feels really good to see someone else find big success, regardless of whether it pushes down my rank on the leaderboard. And we really do want to make sure that our discussions, though firm on fair play, hard truths, and sound advice, are nonetheless welcoming. The community isn't big enough to survive splintering or driving away those who come here in good faith.

I like turskain's suggestion of a split "active streaks" list, though given the earlier failure of Peterko's experiment in this area, may be best to make it a clear rule at the start of a generation. I'm also intrigued by turskain's automated leaderboard management. Especially deep in a generation, manual updating can be a huge pain, as one has to adjust the place numbers for a ton of streaks.

[Discussion of passing torch on new thread snipped as new thread is already going! Thanks turskain!!!]

I've updated the leaderboard. As always, yell at me if you spot any errors or omissions!
 
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Eppie said:
Hi,

I would like to respond to the debating which I've read on the last few pages of this awesome thread regarding unfinished streaks at the top of the leader board and the community not knowing by how many battles this unfinished streak may or may not have advanced.
My very own streak may have been up there the longest without any of you knowing where I am currently at since march this year.

And I would like to apologize for that.

Mainly to Eisenherz and Josh C. as this may have affected them in their own road to the top (congratulations to both of you, really awesome work you guys put up there!) but also to anyone else who feels like this is unfair to other player who aim for the #1 spot. I completely agree with the arguments I have been reading today and if I were in the 2.000+ range not knowing if the person holding the record is at 2.500, 3.000 or even higher, it would pressure me in an unhealthy way.

I didn't update my streak to keep you in the dark but because I didn't advance it. Between march and april I did a handful of battles so I am a little higher than 2.220 but I know I didn't reach 2.300. I took a hiatus from the game and didn't bother to mention this, I took this hiatus because the game took control over my life (I am very sensitive to this). I feel like I have control over my personal life now and while I do miss this game and the community I am unaware if I will be coming back for generation 8 but I guess not.

It has never been my intention to keep anyone in the dark and I should have posted about this back in april when I kinda figured out for myself I wasn't going to advance it. Therefor I think it would be best to list my streak as finished for the record.

I wish you all good fortune and a lot of fun in the generation 8 adaption of the Battle Tree, or this one.

With kind regards,

Eppie

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Yeah, this all seems like a bit of projection to assume that someone doesn't update their streak for gamesmanship reasons rather than because they just got bored and/or wanted to have more of a social life (especially coming from someone who posted nothing this gen but a single battle video while expecting everyone to guess at movesets/natures/EVs). I stopped for a few months when I was at like triple the next-highest listed streak, and then when I got the itch to play again my 3DS had a broken screen when I turned it on, so it took me a while longer until a friend let me use his to continue. It's not like I was being coy about how long my streak was if anyone asked either - hell, I was #2 on the leaderboard for a while despite posting on Discord in summer '18 that I was at 2500+ straight; that's not a massive injustice or anything, I just decided to stay consistent with only updating every 1000 or after a loss and that if it meant that much for HeadsILoseTailsYouWin to be at #1 for a while even when he very well knew I had a longer streak than him, it was no skin off my nose.

Once your team is good past a certain point, the marginal value of an extra win when you've already gotten enough BP for 999 Rare Candies or whatever pales in comparison to the fun in coming up with the team in its first place and seeing the contingency plans for certain threats work out just as you anticipated. When using a team like that, you're more likely to lose (by many orders of magnitude) because of some brainfart that occurred while trying to grind out too many battles or a hardware failure (especially for my team, where due to bad Moody boosts giving any battle the possibility of lasting 10+ minutes I didn't dare to play without being plugged in after an initial scare where I completed a battle and got the game saved like 10 seconds before I ran out of battery) than because you ran across the exact combination of opposing Pokemon and hax that counters your team. The main reason I posted my Glalie team (and a QR code for it) before I even started using the team myself is that it seemed to be by far the safest method for getting a long streak this generation, and if someone who were more committed to grinding it than me got a higher streak I'd consider it an accomplishment for the community as a whole rather than trying to retroactively trying to split up the leaderboards so I could stay #1 on some technicality.
 
NoCheese said:
I'm sorry for the acrimony of late. It's especially unfortunate because basically everybody involved in the recent bad blood has substantially inspired/instructed/motivated me during my time in this little "battle facilities" corner of Smogon, and I hate to see ill-feelings on an endeavor that, though absolutely competitive, has always maintained a collegial feel here. Naturally, putting together a massive streak and getting to share/brag about it feels great, but it also feels really good to see someone else find big success, regardless of whether it pushes down my rank on the leaderboard. And we really do want to make sure that our discussions, though firm on fair play, hard truths, and sound advice, are nonetheless welcoming. The community isn't big enough to survive splintering or driving away those who come here in good faith.

I like turskain's suggestion of a split "active streaks" list, though given the earlier failure of Peterko's experiment in this area, may be best to make it a clear rule at the start of a generation. I'm also intrigued by turskain's automated leaderboard management. Especially deep in a generation, manual updating can be a huge pain, as one has to adjust the place numbers for a ton of streaks.

[Discussion of passing torch on new thread snipped as new thread is already going! Thanks turskain!!!]

I've updated the leaderboard. As always, yell at me if you spot any errors or omissions!
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No, it's weird that you consider this any particular amount of 'acrimony' rather than a healthy level of debate. It's ironic that you would seek to use the Peterko reasoning for how to divide up the leaderboards since as an objective person who had no dog in the fight looking back on it, that was just pure sour grapes reasoning ineffectually trying to diminish the streak of someone who had used a better team and hadn't lost yet with it. I asked you if it would be better to use Bulldoze rather than Earthquake on Gliscor (or to use a Trickscarf lead) and I hope you at least considered those helpful suggestions that would lead to you getting a longer streak rather than simply dismissing them as a 'weird flex' or breach of 'collegiality' where I should've just said "wow man that was so epic, there's no way you possibly could've done any better than that."
 
GG Unit said:
No, it's weird that you consider this any particular amount of 'acrimony' rather than a healthy level of debate. It's ironic that you would seek to use the Peterko reasoning for how to divide up the leaderboards since as an objective person who had no dog in the fight looking back on it, that was just pure sour grapes reasoning ineffectually trying to diminish the streak of someone who had used a better team and hadn't lost yet with it. I asked you if it would be better to use Bulldoze rather than Earthquake on Gliscor (or to use a Trickscarf lead) and I hope you at least considered those helpful suggestions that would lead to you getting a longer streak rather than simply dismissing them as a 'weird flex' or breach of 'collegiality' where I should've just said "wow man that was so epic, there's no way you possibly could've done any better than that."
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I'm confused by your reference to your Bulldoze Gliscor recommendation. I liked your suggestion when you made it. I posted that I was intrigued by the suggestion. I still am. Definitely didn't see your advice there as uncollegial or rude, and indeed, it was exactly the kind of response that I love, and that makes this community great. But your posts of late seem to be not merely uncollegial, but also actively seeking reasons to take offense at seemingly minor action or inaction by the rest of us. I fear you are seeing veiled hostility in places where it certainly wasn't intended, and responding with hostility of a more overt type. This is unfortunate. You've contributed a lot. I've certainly learned plenty from you. But your recent posts have moved in a toxic direction, and have jumped to unjustified conclusions about people's motivations and intentions, especially towards you. This is a real shame. You're better than that.
 
I'm not exactly sure where you need to post your record so i'm gonna assume it's here
I recently lost my old streak at the 354th battle while replaying ultra sun
i was using this team:
https://www.reddit.com/r/stunfisk/comments/5p8rbv
I have the video of the losing battle, but nothing to record it :/ (but apparently pictures are fine so i hope this will do)
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i hope the battle tree will still get some love after the release of Sw/Sh :)
 
With the imminent closure of the PGL, I'm fairly certain that it will no longer be possible to search for QR rental teams on their site, or to generate the actual QR codes that will allow you to use those teams yourself. However, the actual process of decoding the team doesn't require any online connection once you have it. If there are still any QR teams you've thought about using but haven't had the chance to yet, stock up and save all the codes while you can, before it's too late.
 
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I'm confused by your reference to your Bulldoze Gliscor recommendation. I liked your suggestion when you made it. I posted that I was intrigued by the suggestion. I still am. Definitely didn't see your advice there as uncollegial or rude, and indeed, it was exactly the kind of response that I love, and that makes this community great. But your posts of late seem to be not merely uncollegial, but also actively seeking reasons to take offense at seemingly minor action or inaction by the rest of us. I fear you are seeing veiled hostility in places where it certainly wasn't intended, and responding with hostility of a more overt type. This is unfortunate. You've contributed a lot. I've certainly learned plenty from you. But your recent posts have moved in a toxic direction, and have jumped to unjustified conclusions about people's motivations and intentions, especially towards you. This is a real shame. You're better than that.
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It should be pretty obvious - in what Jumpman considered a 'weird flex' I at least went through the requisite number of battles to get a better idea than what anyone else had as to how the team actually worked; contrast that to my teams where the only criticisms are moronic stuff from people who hardly put any time into trying the team such as "durr I don't have the time to wait until every single stat gets boosted to +6" or "durr I don't know common game mechanics and can't even win 50 straight with this team." As far as what you'd consider 'collegial,' I don't place much weight on that word as you (and many others) have made it clear that I could suggest something in any tone and regardless of how 'nice' it sounded, it wouldn't have actually persuaded you to try something different. Like what does it matter how much you learned from me if you're still using the same team I would've discarded several years ago? It makes no difference to me whether your doing that is due to overt hostility or simple ignorance (in fact it's far more likely to be the latter, which makes the whole notion where I'm misjudging people's intentions that much more nonsensical), but it's dumb and counterproductive either way.
 
Hello everyone, im trying to reach 50 wins on IA with a Cinthia. Their pkmn are a Mega-Lucario and a Milotic, and i saw it qork quite good with my Mega-Metagross and Garchomp. But i cant pass more than 35 wins. Anyone can help a bit? I think Metagross worked good cause the Lucario dont attack with iron moves, but cant think for a second pkmn, as a Greninja (which worked good in the past) doesnt fit cause the water type like the Milotic. Thanks for any further help!
 
p53oscar said:
Hello everyone, im trying to reach 50 wins on IA with a Cinthia. Their pkmn are a Mega-Lucario and a Milotic, and i saw it qork quite good with my Mega-Metagross and Garchomp. But i cant pass more than 35 wins. Anyone can help a bit? I think Metagross worked good cause the Lucario dont attack with iron moves, but cant think for a second pkmn, as a Greninja (which worked good in the past) doesnt fit cause the water type like the Milotic. Thanks for any further help!
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I am afraid that lead combo is not going to work. You stack both a fire and ground weakness, meaning that any sun or sand trainer you'll run in will more or less either kill both or force you to hardswap.
On top of Earthquake being very common and there being several scarfers or just faster Pokemon that run it or Heat Wave / eruption in higher tiers of tree.

You'll need a differ lead, definitely.
 
Worldie said:
I am afraid that lead combo is not going to work. You stack both a fire and ground weakness, meaning that any sun or sand trainer you'll run in will more or less either kill both or force you to hardswap.
On top of Earthquake being very common and there being several scarfers or just faster Pokemon that run it or Heat Wave / eruption in higher tiers of tree.

You'll need a differ lead, definitely.
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I have thought about this 2 options as leads:

Salamence-Mega @ Salamencite
Ability: Aerilate
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Protect
- Flamethrower
- Hydro Pump
- Draco Meteor

It was taken from an old team, it worked quite good, but i'm thinking to change substitute for protect. However, the low % on the attacks doesn't make it the best option probably.

Greninja @ Life Orb
Ability: Protean
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Grass Knot
- Dark Pulse

The Greninja has been in aprox 95% comps I tried on the singles and doubles strikes, so I feel quite comfortable with. As Salamence, I also think is not probbaly the best option in this case. I thought about any other pokemons, but can't find any options by the moment...
 
Salamence is a fine lead, but you're probably better off with a regular Hyper voice / double edge / flamethrower / protect version if you're just goingto try and strike 50 wins.
 
Multi Battle streak with friend of 95. Lost on #96.

Video of Loss (#96): KYEW-WWWW-WWXC-Q5Z4

Team info:

Player 1:
Kommo-o @ Kommonium Z
Ability: Soundproof
Nature: Mild (+spatk – def)
EVs: 30 atk / 252 spatk / 228 speed
Moves: Flamethrower, Close Combat, Flash Cannon, Clanging Scales
Info: 228 speed puts it at 134 speed at level 50, which puts it at 201 after +1 to outspeed base 130s

Gardevoir @ Gardevoirite
Ability: Telepathy -> Pixelate
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 spatk / 4 spdef / 252 speed
Moves: Hyper Voice, Psyshock, Focus Blast, Calm Mind


Player 2:
Exploud @ Choice Specs
Ability: Scrappy
Nature: Modest
EVs: 252 spatk / 4 spdef / 252 speed
Moves: Boomburst, Fire Blast, Focus Blast, Surf

Tapu Lele @ Fightinium Z
Ability: Psychic Surge
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 spatk / 4 spdef / 252 speed
(IVs: 31/2/31/4/31/20 … oops)
Moves: Psychic, Dazzling Gleam, Hidden Power (fire), Focus Blast


Strategy:
Lead Kommo-o and Exploud, Click Z-Clangorous soul to get +1 boosts and click Specs Boomburst. Soundproof Kommo-o and telepathy Gardevoir (pre-mega) avoid the boomburst. Tapu Lele sets up psychic terrain which helps prevent priority moves being able to finish off the +1 Kommo-o. Pixelate Hyper Voice and stab Dazzling gleam in back help to continue the spam the spread moves.

Main threats:
Tsareena – Scarf Play Rough to kill Kommo-o, but also has the threat of HJK into Exploud.
Hawlucha – Flying press kills both leads, flying/fighting combo threatens both but hard to predict which it will target
Latios – outspeeds Kommo-o, likes to throw the specs draco meteor at exploud if we try switching Kommo-o out to Gardevoir, impossible to predict.
Mega Metagross – what we lost to, if we had seen it before it was in back and not a lead so Kommo-o was +1 and outsped to hit it with flamethrower.

Moving Forward:
Probably want to run protect over flash cannon on Kommo-o since Exploud OHKOs some of the turn 1 threats, that way we have another option over risking the switch to Gardevoir. Tapu Lele did finish out a few games, and it’s hard to say just how helpful the psychic terrain was, but we might want to trade it for something that is able to revenge kill Mega Metagross or other fast threats that can prevent Kommo-o getting the +1. The main issue was just the unpredictability of things like Latios, which would often draco meteor into Exploud to outplay the Kommo-o switch to Gardevoir. It was a constant battle of guarantee sacrifice of a lead or risking the wrong prediction and ending up with a hard switch and a KO and not ending up in a better position from it.
With protect on Kommo-o, battles like the one we lost to mega metagross could possibly be saved by hitting a specs fire blast to KO it while Kommo-o protects.

I will say that we generally didn’t have bad luck with hacks or anything against us, more often got crits in our favor.

This team started off as a joke but ended up working surprisingly well, especially since neither of us had much experience with the threats of Battle Tree yet over Battle Maison.
Thanks for reading.
 
Hey all just popping in to share this new spreadsheet I made which I think is like a simpler alternative to my previous MU Analysis sheet.

Threat protection checklist:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PJC7aStElsP7dpAdUAU0gZGIk0HinaXFtgdIYEWlq04/edit?usp=sharing

Basically you can make a copy of the whole sheet for yourself to edit, duplicate the template page, and check which supposed threats you have multiple or single countermeasures against to help assess your team. Admittedly some threats may be minor or somewhat redundant (and could try weighting differently in future updates) but it is intended to be comprehensive. See a few examples of teams I had filled in.

Also wanted to mention I believe these kind of magic numbers for speed stat that can be EV'ed accordingly. Mega Alakazam's 222 speed is the fastest non scarfed. So a speed stat of 149 with a +1 boost from Dragon Dance/scarf etc., or a speed stat of 112 with a +2 boost from Agility/Tailwind/Swift Swim etc. will guarantee outspeed everything not scarfed after boosting. And the scarfers can be accounted for by switching to a mon that counters choiced move, so not too worrisome.

Otherwise I've been tracking all my personal singles records and have got frustratingly close to 100 streak with a unique Naganadel/Bronzong/Mega Gyarados team and others. It has become clear to me that the optimal way to play is to actually look up the opposing trainers and sets every battle to be best prepared for anything and carefully calculate almost every move. Honestly guess I just haven't always had the patience for that and have enjoyed trying out many different teams too much lol.
 
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Add this to the stamp run team list:

Salamence @ Salamencite (BAD Dragon)
4 HP/252 Atk/16 Sp. Def /239 Spd
Jolly Nature, Intimidate
Dragon Dance
Substitute
Roost
Return

Aegislash @ Leftovers (CURSED Sword)
252 HP/252 Atk/4 Spd
Adamant Nature
King's Shield
Swords Dance
Shadow Sneak
Sacred Sword

Linoone @ Sitrus Berry (Badger)
246 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spd
Brave Nature (no luck getting Adamant this round, Minted it in Sw/Sh)
Baby-Doll Eyes
Belly Drum
Extreme Speed
Play Rough

This streak is still ongoing, and my Shiny Regice was the lucky Ribbon recipient in Battle 50.

Posted the videos in the Discord, but if you need some general idea how the Linoone works, here's my battle with Grimsley in the attachment

-James
 

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