Unpopular opinions

I think red & green was done purely because they were the first two starters chronologically.
Charizard's lines was one of the last additions to the game, incidentally, where as Venusaur had been around since the beginning and had the rest of its line added around the midpoint iirc


It's fun to think what this conversation would have been like if they did Pokemon Pink to go with Yellow
 
It's fun to think what this conversation would have been like if they did Pokemon Pink to go with Yellow

Maybe as Yellow followed the anime they were thinking having Pink reference the Pocket Monster Manga where Clafairy was the mascot?
 
Though I'm not quite sure why they decided "six" was the magic number of Master Trainers needed to be defeated. If anything, if he's consider the strongest challenge, shouldn't being able to challenge Red involve first beating Blue, Green, & rematch the entire Pokemon League (Gym Leaders, Elite Four & Trace)? Like what does beating the Master Trainers accomplish that makes Red comes out?
My interpretation is that they're expecting you to have a team of six throughout the story and they want you to beat the six Master Trainers associated with them, to specifically demonstrate that you've "mastered" the strengths of your team or something like that. As for why Red is linked to Master Trainers, I can only assume that they wanted to incentivize players to check out the new feature?
 
My interpretation is that they're expecting you to have a team of six throughout the story and they want you to beat the six Master Trainers associated with them, to specifically demonstrate that you've "mastered" the strengths of your team or something like that. As for why Red is linked to Master Trainers, I can only assume that they wanted to incentivize players to check out the new feature?

If that's the case wouldn't they require 16? Because what's stopping you from facing a Master Trainer of a Pokemon with three evolution stages, facing the basic stage first and then evolving that Pokemon so it can take on the mid stage and evolving it a final time for the final stage? 16 then would be the least amount of Master Trainers you'd need to face to assure a player has at least 6 Pokemon strong enough to face a Master Trainer.
 
If that's the case wouldn't they require 16? Because what's stopping you from facing a Master Trainer of a Pokemon with three evolution stages, facing the basic stage first and then evolving that Pokemon so it can take on the mid stage and evolving it a final time for the final stage? 16 then would be the last amount of Master Trainers you'd need to face to assure a player has at least 6 Pokemon strong enough to face a Master Trainer.
Huh? Master Trainers aren't available until you beat the game and it's extremely likely that the player's team is fully evolved by then.
 
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I personally dislike the new Alola and Galar games. They’re REALLY cool, don’t get me wrong, but they just fell too gimmicky. For example, the Alola games removed gym leaders, and in return gave us Z-Crystals. In the Galar games, they got rid of the elite four, and in return gave us Dynamax and Gigantamax. It just feels weird that they thought these gimmicks were enough to get rid of things that have been in the franchise since the beginning. Now, I know that Kalos also kind of did the same thing with Mega Evolution, but at least in those games they didn’t take out any major parts of the franchise.

That’s just personally my opinion. It’s okay for people to have different opinions.
 
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I personally dislike the new Alola and Galar games. They’re REALLY cool, don’t get me wrong, but they just fell too gimmicky. For example, the Alola games removed gym leaders, and in return gave us Z-Crystals. In the Galar games, they got rid of the elite four, and in return gave if Dynamax and Gigantamax. It just feels weird that they thought these gimmicks were enough to get rid of things that have been in the franchise since the beginning. Now, I know that Kalos also kind of did the same thing with Mega Evolution, but at least in those games they didn’t take out any major parts of the franchise.

That’s just personally my opinion. It’s okay for people to have different opinions.
First, the things they "removed" aren't at all related to the battle gimmicks they added in. Second, they didn't really remove those features. They just modified them. In Alola, trials fill the role of gym puzzles, while totems and kahunas fill the role of gym leaders. In Galar, the champion cup fills the role of the Elite 4.
 
First, the things they "removed" aren't at all related to the battle gimmicks they added in. Second, they didn't really remove those features. They just modified them. In Alola, trials fill the role of gym puzzles, while totems and kahunas fill the role of gym leaders. In Galar, the champion cup fills the role of the Elite 4.
That’s true. The trials do serve as a good alternative to gym leaders. Same does the Champion Cup.

Like I said, I like and dislike these games at the same time.
 
1)RGB is a better convention than RBY. In addition to actually having all three refer to mons in a set, it also works better as a set of primary colours. There's nothing about either the region nor the medium that would reference pigments, while the fact that it was designed for an (albeit monochrome) screen makes RGB the default.
That's not entirely true: all the cities of the region are named after colours or pigments. You can actually find a hex triplet (or, granted, an RGB code) for most of the towns and cities in the region
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viridian - a blue-green pigment, #40826D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerulean - a blue pigment, #007BA7
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermilion - scarlet red pigment, #E34234
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavender_(color) - a pale, greyish purple, #E6E6FA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shades_of_green#Celadon - a shade of green-grey, #ACE1AF
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuchsia_(color) - effectively magenta, #FF00FF
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffron_(color) - a shade of orange, #F4C430
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shades_of_red#Cinnabar - a slightly orange shade of red, #E44D2E
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo - vivid blue, #2B22AA

Pewter City is the outlier here, as its colour (apparently a bluish grey) isn't recognized by Wikipedia.

And of course, there's Pallet town to tie them all together. A pallette is another word for colour scheme, it could also be the plate on which paints are mixed. Its Japanese name can also be read similarly to the word for "pure white".
 
It kinda is. In Alola, the totem Pokémon are guarding eight of the Z-Crystals, in which the trial captains describe that the totems were “entrusted” to the Z-Crystals. In Galar, you can only Dynamax and Gigantamax in the stadiums, and GUESS where the Champion Cup is located?
I meant they aren't intrinsically linked. If they wanted, they could have easily had Z-moves and Dynamaxing in a more traditionally structured Pokemon game.
 
That's not entirely true: all the cities of the region are named after colours or pigments. You can actually find a hex triplet (or, granted, an RGB code) for most of the towns and cities in the region
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viridian - a blue-green pigment, #40826D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerulean - a blue pigment, #007BA7
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermilion - scarlet red pigment, #E34234
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavender_(color) - a pale, greyish purple, #E6E6FA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shades_of_green#Celadon - a shade of green-grey, #ACE1AF
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuchsia_(color) - effectively magenta, #FF00FF
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffron_(color) - a shade of orange, #F4C430
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shades_of_red#Cinnabar - a slightly orange shade of red, #E44D2E
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo - vivid blue, #2B22AA

Pewter City is the outlier here, as its colour (apparently a bluish grey) isn't recognized by Wikipedia.

And of course, there's Pallet town to tie them all together. A pallette is another word for colour scheme, it could also be the plate on which paints are mixed. Its Japanese name can also be read similarly to the word for "pure white".

Ah, but let's remember something: those are the translated names of the towns:

Pallet Town = Masara Town (from massara (brand new) and masshiro (pure white))
Virdian City = Tokiwa City (from tokiwa-iro, the green color of evergreen trees)
  • Hence why the Town's title is "The City of Evergreen".
  • It's also kind of funny how on complete accident the translation team chose a name which still makes sense for Blue to become the Gym Leader. In the Japanese version where he's Green he takes over the green-colored Gym. In English, Blue takes over a Gym which is both a shade of blue and green.
Pewter City = Nibi City (from nibi-iro, a dull gray color)
Cerulean City = Hanada City (from hanada-iro, the light blue color of a dayflower)
  • Hence why the City's title is "The Floral Lagoon City".
  • Also why, at least in the anime, Misty and her sisters were called the "waterflowers".
Vermilion City = Kuchiba City (from kuchiba-iro, the burnt orange color of decayed leaves)
Lavender Town = Shion Town (from shion-iro, the light purple color of the Tatarian aster)
  • Fun Fact: In Japan's language of flowers, Tatarian aster means "I won't forget you".
Celadon City = Tamamushi City (from tamamushi-iro, the iridescent green color of the jewel beetle)
  • The jewel beetle's iridescence causes the exoskeleton's colors to change in the light, hence why Erika's Badge is the "Rainbow Badge" and the City's title is "City of Rainbow Dreams". Though oddly Erika is a Grass-type trainer instead of Bug.
Saffron City = Yamabuki City (from yamabuki-iro, the golden color of Kerria)
  • Since gold is a metal which reflect lights, it's probably why the City's title is "Shining Big City".
Fuchsia City = Sekichiku City (from sekichiku-iro, pale pink color of China pink)
Cinnabar Island = Guren Jima/Town (from guren-iro, the crimson color of red lotus)
Indigo Plateau = Sekiei Plateau (sekiei is Japanese for the mineral quartz)

Huh, that last one is a surprise, though what isn't a surprise is a lot of them are named after flowers.
 
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I personally dislike the new Alola and Galar games. They’re REALLY cool, don’t get me wrong, but they just fell too gimmicky. For example, the Alola games removed gym leaders, and in return gave us Z-Crystals. In the Galar games, they got rid of the elite four, and in return gave us Dynamax and Gigantamax. It just feels weird that they thought these gimmicks were enough to get rid of things that have been in the franchise since the beginning. Now, I know that Kalos also kind of did the same thing with Mega Evolution, but at least in those games they didn’t take out any major parts of the franchise.

That’s just personally my opinion. It’s okay for people to have different opinions.

At this point an unpopular opinion would be actually liking the last few gens lolll

IMO, the trials dog-walk the gyms and some iteration of them needed to have been kept. Gyms are just kinda outdated imo because all you really need is just one mon with a type advantage and the battles kinda play themselves. Some of the trails were lowkey kinda brutal with the synergy with the summoned mons and the stat boost. This is one of the very few things I like about Gen 7.

Honestly, both the Gyms and the Elite Four can GTF ASAP.
 
Yes, I like the SM and even USUM, but only looking at it individually. USUM is an improvement over SM's content, but does pale somewhat in comparison to B2W2, HGSS, and so forth. Not including gameplay, I love the music and Pokemon designs in the modern gens as much as the classic gens.

Hello everyone, I'm glad I can post here again! Sorry for the delay (I was in charge of making this banner for AG) but here is all of the data complied by the bingo game! This is from the 12 people who took the Google Survey, and 5 of those who posted their thoughts on the Unpopular Forums. Here is the spreadsheet results. If you feel if your opinion has been incorrectly been counted (especially to those who didn't take the survey), PLEASE privately DM me. I value your thoughts and accuracy!

TimestampWhat is your username on Smogon Forums?ORAS and Let’s Go are inferior to HGSS and B2W2 in follow-ups.Battle Frontier needs to be brought back.Zacian-Crowned, Mega-Rayquaza, and Dynamax are examples of power-creep. For those not in competitive, power-creep is defined by something that obviously and extremely overshadows everything else in viability, especially when compared to its formal niche (i.e. Ubers, Natdex, Game-Gimmick-Mechanics, etc.) and past options.Possible remakes of Diamond/Pearl are not looking/optimistic.Gen5 and/or Gen8 have the worst Pokemon designs.Megas should be brought back as a mechanic and a creative opportunity.You prefer the Zamazenta-Hero of Many Battles form instead of the Zacian-Hero of Many Battles form.The pre-3D games were the best in quality.The box art of the video games sucks in art direction in comparison to the TCG artwork.Regional variants are cool and should be explored.The franchise is on shaky ground (Quality-wise, fan reception-wise, the future, not sales-wise).The XY rivals and friends were bland, poorly written, and forgettable.There should be an official way to transfer mons for free.Post-2D-games can suffer from corridor syndrome.Defog and the Stall archetype suck.The full Pokedex, aka the Natdex, needs to be brought back.Tedious mechanics, like egg breeding and soft-resetting for natures, encourage hacking, whether it's legal or illegal.BW was underappreciated.SwSh's QoL changes should have been implemented in previous games.Gamefreak makes lifeless 3D models and is better at sprites.The Battle Tower mechanic (in general) pales in depth.Pokemon like Pikachu, Charizard, Mewtwo, and other Gen1 pokemon are used too frequently.XY or SwSh are the least in quality.Gamefreak's trust has been eroded in the past year-and-a-half
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I'll go ahead and share my personal answers to each of those questions:

Mixed. BW2 > ORAS > HGSS. As for Let's Go, I have neither played it nor have any interest in playing it.

Mixed. If they're going to bring one of them back, I'd rather it be the one from Platinum/HGSS. Looking back at Emerald's Battle Frontier, it was plagued with all sorts of bullshit; the Battle Pike was entirely dependent on pure dumb luck, the Battle Pyramid was a 7-story labyrinth in the dark that felt more like a test of patience than courage, and the less I say about the Battle Palace not allowing you to pick what moves your Pokemon use the better. Meanwhile, the Battle Tower and Battle Factory were brought back in the Gen 4 frontier, and the Battle Dome was essentially brought back in BW2 as the PWT (which is far superior). So about the only facility from Emerald that I come anywhere close to missing is the Battle Arena.

Agree. And it's probably going to continue to get even more ridiculous in future generations. Hell, pretty much every generation since 4 has raised the bar in one way or another. Might as well brace for whatever asinine mechanic Gen 9 gives us now while we still can.

Mixed. Keep in mind, Pokemon's 25th anniversary will be next year, so it wouldn't surprise me if they give us new games sometime then. I can certainly go over various things I would want to change or keep if remakes do happen (and I've written a whole post talking about one thing I would want to change).

Disagree. Gen 5 is my favorite generation (and here's another post with my thoughts on several Pokemon from it). Gen 8 isn't as good as 5, but it's far from my least favorite.

Agree. While you could debate whether or not some Pokemon needed Megas (e.g. Scizor, Garchomp, Salamence), whether or not they could have gotten regular evolutions instead (e.g. Mawile, Pinsir, Banette), or whether they needed more than one (e.g. Charizard, Mewtwo), it's still an interesting mechanic that breathed new life into several Pokemon that really needed it (e.g. Beedrill, Pidgeot, Altaria).

Agree. In their Hero forms, I prefer Zamazenta. In their Crowned forms, I prefer Zacian.

Mixed. I don't usually judge games on 3D-ness. My favorite generation is Gen 5 (pre-3D), with Gens 3 (pre-3D originals and post-3D remakes) and 7 (post-3D) being my second and third favorites. I guess I should have said N/A instead.

Disagree. Give me box art over Play-doh or knitted models any day.

Fully agree. Alolan forms breathed new life into a lot of Gen 1 Pokemon that needed new life (e.g. Sandslash, Raichu, Muk) and made already-solid Pokemon even better (e.g. Marowak, Ninetales), and Galarian forms' evolutions gave me a previously-rare incentive to catch a Zigzagoon, Farfetch'd, and Corsola. I think this needs to be a mainstay of the series from now on. Hell, if we get DP remakes, let's add some Sinnoan forms of Pokemon from Gens 5-8.

Mixed. There are some features of recent Pokemon games that I like (e.g. regional variants, lack of HMs, more memorable and interesting characters), and some that I don't (e.g. microscopic rosters of new Pokemon, simultaneously flooding games to the brim with older Pokemon, villainous teams that are jokes). Hard to say whether I would consider this a net positive or negative.

Agree. I barely remember any of them despite being the largest collection of rivals a game has had at one time.

Agree 100%. This is basically Pokemon's version of microtransactions.

N/A. Uh... I never really noticed this. I don't really care about it one way or the other, so I'll just move on.

Mixed. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.

Agree. This should have been implemented when Pokemon HOME came out.

Agree, albeit begrudgingly because shiny hunting, nature hunting, and IV breeding are arguably all easier than ever in Sword/Shield. Especially now that Mints exist and Bottle Caps seemingly fall out of the sky. You don't have any excuses anymore.

Agree. Pardon my bias, but while I think their sequels did nearly everything else better, BW are still my favorites when it comes to main story.

Agree. I primarily say that because I think Mints could have been introduced 4 or 5 generations earlier, when Natures were still a fairly new concept.

Mixed. I think it really just depends on the Pokemon. Drapion for instance looked great in BW, but I don't care for either of its 3D models. On the other hand, the Switch finally made Shiny Espeon and Claydol look good. Meanwhile, I've seen Smogon's attempt to make BW-style sprites of later-gen Pokemon, and the results have been... mixed.

Disagree. See my response to Question 2 to know what I think of many of the "depth" additions other battle facilities added.

Agree. Even if they are more popular than other mons out there, that doesn't mean we have to see them shoved in our faces all the time. There comes a point where even the most "awesome" things can turn stale. Also, I would add Eevee, Mew, Gengar, and the Bulbasaur and Squirtle lines to that list.

Disagree. That title belongs to Gen 2. Fleeing wild Pokemon, shitty level-up movepools for way too many Pokemon, abysmal level curves, lackluster characters, Lance being a pathetic champion if you had a decent Ice- or Rock-type attack on your team, and a boring postgame slog through an empty Kanto region with nothing besides a few glorified exhibition matches against that region's gym leaders is not exactly my idea of a quality Pokemon game. This isn't helped by what is IMO the weakest new Pokemon roster in the series (not to mention the inability to get a lot of the better ones until you reach Kanto), a criminally overrated day/night feature, and Red being beatable even when my entire team was 20 levels lower than his. HGSS at least fixed some of these issues and are much better games, but I'm still not all that big a fan of them. The only reason I even went back to this generation a couple of years ago was to get a Celebi transferred into Gen 7. XY were generally forgettable and SwSh had a lot of missed opportunities, but I'd take either of those sets of games over GSC any day.

Agree, albeit begrudgingly. I'll wait until I've played both DLC areas before I weigh in on this any further.
 
Nice stats! Gotta be honest, I'm majorly surprised at the community response at some of these. Question 23 in particular I'm shocked how few people consider either XY or SWSH to be the worst seeing as people on this forum seem to be quite vocal about their shortcomings. Something similar applies with the mixed responses to Question 20, was expecting more people to be vocal about disliking models. That said, the sample size here wasn't the biggest so who knows.
 
Nice stats! Gotta be honest, I'm majorly surprised at the community response at some of these. Question 23 in particular I'm shocked how few people consider either XY or SWSH to be the worst seeing as people on this forum seem to be quite vocal about their shortcomings. Something similar applies with the mixed responses to Question 20, was expecting more people to be vocal about disliking models. That said, the sample size here wasn't the biggest so who knows.
I think it's more because one or two generations before XY and SWSH have much less quality. I would think Gen 1 would have the least quality because of having shortcomings very severe, even for the first games, or Gen 2 for similar reasons despite ironing and fixing many parts of what Gen 1 established. Even XY and SWSH didn't have that many shortcomings, as those also comes with many much-needed improvements (even if a few of them should be done earlier).
 
Nice stats! Gotta be honest, I'm majorly surprised at the community response at some of these. Question 23 in particular I'm shocked how few people consider either XY or SWSH to be the worst seeing as people on this forum seem to be quite vocal about their shortcomings. Something similar applies with the mixed responses to Question 20, was expecting more people to be vocal about disliking models. That said, the sample size here wasn't the biggest so who knows.
What do you think of this of the community:
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I don't think the overall opinions of this thread are as unpopular or controversial as we think we are :psysly:
 
Depends on what you base the "unpopular" on: I point very often that this community tends to have warped opinions compared to like, 99% of the actual playerbase, so they would still count as unpopular :mad:
Good point! :bloblul:. I said the "I don't think the overall opinions of this thread are as unpopular or controversial as we think we are" in a satirical manner, because honestly, I think we have more stuff in common within the thread than we think, as much as the thread users debate, agree to disagree, and so forth. That's what makes it nice here. We share unpopular ideas, and we also believe in popular ideas. There's no black-and-white in terms of "oh, I believe only entirely /all unpopular opinions/trends". It's like a spectrum of beliefs.
 
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