(Little) Things that annoy you in Pokémon

Sonikku A said:
I still stand by this headcanon for interpreting height for these behemoths
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7 meters long for Rayquaza is GARBAGE
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I keep insisting... the games should give multiple size measures for every Pokémon. I mean, that's not even a difficult thing to do (it's only adding a few numerical fields to the Pokédex, and I assume they do have complete measures for each species).

Or maybe bring back the size comparison feature the Sinnoh Dex had, but taking advantage of 3D to use real scaling.

Say, Feraligatr has a height of 2.3m. Seeing that it walks on two legs, that would make it outright massive for a starter (that's taller than Dragonite or a Totem-sized Kommo-o) but then the beta Gold/Silver dex is leaked and we see Feraligatr with the same height but walking on all fours, meaning its "height" is actually its length from snout to tail.

Another example would be Salamence, which has a height of 1.5m. Out of all the possible ways that could be measured I could think of, there is only one (head to feet) that doesn't make it ridiculously tiny for a ferocious dragon.
 
Kurona said:
I think a really cool thing LGPE did was have different sizes and weights for each member of a species you caught. Sure, it was just a carryover from GO and had no bearing on gameplay or aesthetics; but it was still a really neat thing that made catches more fun and unique.
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It did have a bearing in gameplay. Pokémon with non-standard size gave more experience when caught.
 
I brought this point in Discord, and I think its worth sharing here:

Something I noticed about the Fighting type. The majority seem to be inspired by martial arts, and even ones that don’t show obvious reference to martial arts give off some kind of fighting ‘vibe’ for that type. I think the the reason is that when you look at it, the majority of Pokémon who are fighting are bipedal- it wasn’t until Gen 5 was when we got Quadrupled fighting types, the Musketeer Quartet. Then no more quadruped until Gen 8, where we get a Zamazenta and Falinks. Of course I understand that not all Fighting type Pokemon are explicitly Martial Artists, Scrafty and Conkeldurr clearly don't seem to be designed around Martial Arts, but you can clearly tell they have a very Martial Artist vibe to them. It just feels that design wise, the mindset is that you have to do Martial Arts if you wanna be fighting type, and of course it’s just easier to be bipedal to perform martial arts. Looking at Fairy, there’s a lot more diversity. Swirlix is living cotton candy, Grimmsnarl is a goblin, Spritzee is walking perfume, and Primarina is a Diva. Or at Dragon. Dragalge and Kingdra are based off the Japanese interpretation of Seahorses, Turtonator is a snapping turtle, Eon duo are junglefowl/jet plane, Drampa is a Chinese Dragon/Grandpa, Noivern is a bat, ant Dragonite is a European Dragon. Goomy is a pure slug. Lot more diversity in shapes and concepts for the following types in comparison to fighting.

It also doesn't help that pretty much every fighting type specializes in Martial Arts, with the sole except of Korrina, who does Roller Skating, a kind of sport. On the other hand, Dragon has Lance, Drake, and Drayden, a member of the secret police, a sea captain, and a mayor. Fairy on the other hand Valerie, Lillie, and Opal- A fashion designer, A rookie trainer, and a Performing artist.

The point I'm trying to say is that I think Fighting limits too much designs potential by the concept of fighting = Martial Arts, and the there's lot more to fighting than just Kung Fu/Wushu/Karate. They should be willing to explore more possibilities.
 
Sonikku A said:
Bare in mind Fairy retyping mostly was done simply because something was cute or pink. Mawhile is one of the few legit good Fairy retypings for design origin
But I agree, Fighting type is extremely limited. It'd be better if it was burly Pokemon thrown in the mix...but they never really explored that, bar the quadruped Gen 5 mons
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Fair enough. A lot of Fairy type Pokemon are primarily Pink or white or both.

I guess that’s another minor qualm I have. A lot of Fairy type Pokemon seem to be designed to be feminine to me. Alcremie, Florges, Comfey, Wigglytuff, Granbull lines you name a few are prominently female or entirely female. I guess that’s because Fairies in popular culture have been predominantly female, though that’s a stereotype they can easily get away from.
 
They probably see Dragons, broadly, as the primarily "Cool" masculine type with a few cutsie exceptions so Fairy, as its counterpart, was the "Cute" femine type.
Things like Altaria are the exception to the former, things like Grimmsnarl are the exception to the later.


Which is dumb, sure, but arbitrary categorization for marketing purposes is standard for business even when by all counts there's overlaps on both angles and they shouldn't need to pigeonhole themselves into primarily X design type with some Y exception thrown in for flavor.



Also a small quibble but Falinks isnt quadrupedal. Each individual falinks is bipedal. It's treated as a group, sure, but it's still 6 orb dudes walking around on 2 feet
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The secret 4th fighting style seems to be "weapons" or "tools". Gallade, the Muskeeters, Sirfetch'd (& Farfetch'd-G), Zamazenta, Falinks are all based around swordplay or shields. The falinks hair styles are meant to imitate the phalanx's spears, presumably as well. Frankly I'm surprised Zacian wasnt the fighting type.
 
DreamPrince said:
Something I noticed about the Fighting type. The majority seem to be inspired by martial arts, and even ones that don’t show obvious reference to martial arts give off some kind of fighting ‘vibe’ for that type. I think the the reason is that when you look at it, the majority of Pokémon who are fighting are bipedal- it wasn’t until Gen 5 was when we got Quadrupled fighting types, the Musketeer Quartet. Then no more quadruped until Gen 8, where we get a Zamazenta and Falinks. Of course I understand that not all Fighting type Pokemon are explicitly Martial Artists, Scrafty and Conkeldurr clearly don't seem to be designed around Martial Arts, but you can clearly tell they have a very Martial Artist vibe to them. It just feels that design wise, the mindset is that you have to do Martial Arts if you wanna be fighting type, and of course it’s just easier to be bipedal to perform martial arts. (...)

It also doesn't help that pretty much every fighting type specializes in Martial Arts, with the sole except of Korrina, who does Roller Skating, a kind of sport. On the other hand, Dragon has Lance, Drake, and Drayden, a member of the secret police, a sea captain, and a mayor. (...)

The point I'm trying to say is that I think Fighting limits too much designs potential by the concept of fighting = Martial Arts, and the there's lot more to fighting than just Kung Fu/Wushu/Karate. They should be willing to explore more possibilities.
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I agree that the Fighting-type doesn't have to be some kind of expert in martial arts to be a Fighting-type... though at the same time it still does need a justification. It's oddly kind of hard to explain, because really what's the difference between a Normal-type and a Fighting-type? Sure you can go into the explanation that Fighting-types are better at channeling their chi, though don't Normal-types also channel their own energy? What's the thing that makes Fighting-type energy have that little extra to make it different from Normal-type energy aside from Type Match-ups? The easiest answer is that the Pokemon practices a particular form of martial art.

Mankey family: Combination of boxing, kickboxing, and being a berserker.
Machop family: Combination of karate, wrestling, and being a body builder.
Galarian Farfetch'd family: Chivalry, specifically jousting.
Tyrogue: An untrained brawler/scrapper. It's often shown displaying various martial arts moves and poses, it has yet to choose what fighting style it wants to expertise in so uses a little bit of everything.
Hitmonlee: Kicking martial arts such as kickboxing, savate, Muay Thai, and Taekwondo.
Hitmonchan: Boxing.
Hitmontop: Capoeira.
Poliwrath: Professional swimming, not a martial art but a sport which involves rigorous body training and being fit.
Galarian Zapdos: Combination of kickboxing and cockfighting.
Mega Mewtwo X: Not based on a martial arts but rather the idea of a person with telekinesis using their psychic powers to enhance their muscles and strength. MMX has used its psychic powers to literally mold and tone its muscles to make itself physically strong. And being Mewtwo is the "Genetic" Pokemon having themes of gene splicing can also be seen as the use of gene slicing to make one artificially stronger.
Heracross: Insect fighting.
Combusken & Blaziken: Combination of Muay Thai and cockfighting.
Makuhita family: Sumo wrestling.
Meditite family: Practitioner of yoga, not martial arts initially but it also likely takes inspiration fro the Hindu God Shiva, also known as "The Destroyer" who forms a trinity with Brahma ("The Creator") and Vishnu ("The Preserver") called the Trimurti. In addition to being shown in a yoga sitting position, Shiva is said to be the Lord of Yogis and teaches yoga to sages.
Breloom: Boxing, likely takes inspiration from a "boxing kangaroo".
Monferno & Infernape: Monkey-style Kung Fu and based on Sun Wukong.
Mega Lopunny: Combination of Taekwondo and whip fighting.
Croagunk family: Based on the Poison Dart Frog whose poison was used by native warriors to tip the points of their arrows and darts. Also possibly a reference to the Hairy Frog, a frog which breaks its toe bones in order to use them as claws.
Gallade: Sword fighter, specifically fencing, and resembles a Roman gladiator.
Riolu family: While the exact fighting style is probably a combination of karate and Kung Fu (and probably a little bit of others too), Riolu and Lucario's concept is the literal channeling of chi and other mysticism that have been attributed to the eastern martial arts. It's jackal appearance relates it to Anubis, the Egyptian God of the dead who read and judges the spirits of the deceased, like how the Riolu family can read someone's aura. I bring this up for another martial arts connection: Egyptians practiced boxing, both bare-fisted and sometimes wrapping a strap around their wrist.
Pignite & Emboar: Wrestlers, possibly mud wrestlers, and based on Zhang Fei and Zhu Bajie.
Scraggy family: Based on punks, rebels, and headbanging, not martial arts but their violent movements.
Timburr family: Weightlifting and being a construction worker.
Throh: Judo.
Sawk: Karate.
Meinfoo family: Kung Fu & later whip fighting.
Swords of Justice: Based on the Three Musketeers who were chivalrous fencers.
Meloetta-Pirouette: Ballet, while not a martial arts does require the dancer to have complete control of their body, movements, and balance and be physically fit.
Pancham family: Street fighter.
Chesnaught: It's just based on an armored warrior, not specifically a knight.
Hawlucha: Mexican wrestling, also called Lucha Libre. It may also take inspiration from Aztec Eagle Warriors. (And yet its from PokeFrance).
Stufful family: Based on the literal wording of bear hug, a wrestling move, and maybe "wrestling bears" (because some people just have a death wish).
Crabrawler family: Boxing.
Passimian: Rugby, not a martial art but a contact sport that still requires the participants to be physical strong and fit.
Hakamo-o & Kommo-o: Based on Haka, war dances performed by Polynesian warriors.
Buzzwole: Bodybuilding.
Pheromosa: Kickboxing.
Marshadow: Shadowboxing and based on the Nightmarchers of Hawaiian mythology.
Clobbopus family: Combination of Jujitsu and wrestling. Also "octopus wrestling" was a thing.
Falinks: Based on a "phalanx", a Greek military formation where two rows of soldiers line up having their shields positioned to their sides forming a barrier around the entire unit. Soldiers would also usually have spears which they can stick out of the formation without needing to break formation or separate or put down their shield barrier.
Zamazenta: Chivalry, specifically it's the shield of a knight with Zacian being the sword counterpart. Why Zamazenta the Fighting-type and not Zacian? Both are likely based on King Arthur lore. Zacian like takes heavy inspiration from most Arthur's famous sword, Excalibur; a magical sword given to him by the Lady of the Lake so to emphasize this Zacian was made Fairy-type. Meanwhile Zamazenta likely takes inspiration from King Arthur himself (another inspiration for Zacian being Morgan le Fay, Arthur's older half-sister) and/or other knights of the Round Table; as they are all knights they are all accomplished warriors.
Kubfu family: Kung Fu.

That all said, there are a few outliners. Poliwrath and Passimian are sports players. Croagunk, Scraggy, and Pancham don't have direct martial arts they practice but rather vague connections to physical combat. Falinks is based on a military formation. Meloetta-Pirouette is purely based on a ballet dancer. So it's not all martial arts and even ones who do show a martial arts may have some additional themes to them like being based on animal combat (both legal and illegal...), mythical creatures, and symbology. I guess it would be interesting to see more Fighting-types based on sports and military stuff.

As for why many are bipedal, that probably has more to do with Fighting-type moves than the Pokemon's basis. There's no getting around it, a lot of fighting styles involve using your hands to punch or strike and kicking styles with bipeds in mind. Because of this many Fighting-types have to be bipedal by design because otherwise what Fighting-types they can get will be severely limited. The only other alternative is giving the Pokemon a unique way of fighting such as using a weapon like the Swords of Justice and Zamazenta does (and I guess also Falinks).
 
Pikachu315111 said:
I agree that the Fighting-type doesn't have to be some kind of expert in martial arts to be a Fighting-type... though at the same time it still does need a justification. It's oddly kind of hard to explain, because really what's the difference between a Normal-type and a Fighting-type? Sure you can go into the explanation that Fighting-types are better at channeling their chi, though don't Normal-types also channel their own energy? What's the thing that makes Fighting-type energy have that little extra to make it different from Normal-type energy aside from Type Match-ups?
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Keep in mind that the typing system is created (and named) by in-world scientists based on what they observe. Distinguishing Normal and Fighting may just start with the fact that the data from thousands and thousands of battles showed that one group of species consistently dealt more damage to another when using one set of moves, and so on. By gathering huge amounts of data on interactions between different species, they figure out how to group them all. What those types are called is subjective and up to the researchers, as I'm sure the species' names are, presumably like how some stars are named or whatever. (I always figured Normal typing was distinguished by its lack of any of the other specific types of elemental energy. Maybe it doesn't have any such energy involved at all? It's the default before that stuff comes into play?)
 
hypno28 said:
Keep in mind that the typing system is created (and named) by in-world scientists based on what they observe. Distinguishing Normal and Fighting may just start with the fact that the data from thousands and thousands of battles showed that one group of species consistently dealt more damage to another when using one set of moves, and so on. By gathering huge amounts of data on interactions between different species, they figure out how to group them all. What those types are called is subjective and up to the researchers, as I'm sure the species' names are, presumably like how some stars are named or whatever. (I always figured Normal typing was distinguished by its lack of any of the other specific types of elemental energy. Maybe it doesn't have any such energy involved at all? It's the default before that stuff comes into play?)
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Scientists may have named it, but Fighting energy and Normal energy are clearly defined things. Each has their own weaknesses, resistances, Types weak to them, Types resistant to them, immunities, Pokemon get STAB from one but not the other (unless their a Fighting/Normal-type which they get both STAB), and items & Abilities which affect one or the other. So no, it's not subjective at all.

As for what defines a Normal-type, it does seem to be a type which is "pure" energy, or rather energy that hasn't been influenced by another element (and there has to be energy because there are Special Normal-type attacks: Swift, Tri Attack, Hyper Beam; it also seems like sound is constructed from the same kind of energy such as with Round, Echoed Voice, Hyper Voice, Boomburst). How Fighting-type energy may be different could be either the source the energy is being drawn from (likely candidates is its kinetic energy or life/vitality energy, chi) or they're taking the pure energy and more refinely channeling it (water rushes through a garden hose isn't going to hurt, but pressurize the water and strengthen the hose and now it has pushing power, and now shrink the nozzle enough and it can cut through steel).
 
Total Clefairy said:
i love both of their designs independently, but steenee's evolution from this little bundle of cuteness
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to a bloody dominatrix
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never fails to bother me
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I can find you several reasons that'd actually be pretty legitimate (both directly and as real world references) but half of them would make me look like a degenerate misoginyst, and the other half wouldnt be appropriate for a public forum.
 
Worldie said:
I can find you several reasons that'd actually be pretty legitimate (both directly and as real world references) but half of them would make me look like a degenerate misoginyst, and the other half wouldnt be appropriate for a public forum.
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oh yeah, i totally get it (the designs do actually flow quite nicely into one another) - it's just disturbing.
 
Total Clefairy said:
oh yeah, i totally get it (the designs do actually flow quite nicely into one another) - it's just disturbing.
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To be fair, it saddens me that while there could be several reasons for it to be a representative of actual real life social issues, in reality someone at GF or TPCI (whoever does the design) just thought "hey what if we make a dominatrix evo and give her a moveset that's full of lewdish references" and they had a laugh and went with it.
 
Worldie said:
I can find you several reasons that'd actually be pretty legitimate (both directly and as real world references) but half of them would make me look like a degenerate misoginyst, and the other half wouldnt be appropriate for a public forum.
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Oh I thought you were going to talk about Japan's conservative culture, which when the women stood up and became more independent- M E S S A G E B A N N E D

Long story short,the work force is a pain with hours, old outdated customs aren't likely to die what with fertility rate being low, and like how the US had porn boom after the 50s as protest for conservative attitudes, Japan had fictional porn boom for both due to poor social life and to bypass porn censorship
 
Worldie said:
I can find you several reasons that'd actually be pretty legitimate (both directly and as real world references) but half of them would make me look like a degenerate misoginyst, and the other half wouldnt be appropriate for a public forum.
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Well, to just get away from the dominatrix reference for a moment (which I think Worldie explained the reasoning), let's also not forget the families other inspiration: The Magosteen. Or rather the fruit's nickname: "Queen of Fruit" (interestingly enough there is a "King of Fruit" that is paired with it: The Durian, curious why they only did the female/queen Magosteen and not also a male/king Durian counterpart). Anyway, while you do see the queenly aspects of its design, the personality could also be reference to that. In modern day, especially in the pop music & rap scene, many top female performers have referred to themselves as "queens" and taken on a high & mighty, "I don't need no man", female empowerment attitude. Like I can actually sort of see Nicki Minaj wearing a Tsareena inspired outfit while rapping how much better she is than you. Also I've watched episodes of RuPaul's Drag Race and, well, they're called "drag QUEENS" for a reason and they really play up the b****y stereotype. So, yeah, while maybe a stretch I don't think it's that long of a one if you consider that, while maybe not direct references, these attitudes have soaked its way into pop culture's view of what it means if someone is a "queen", especially if they're young and act as they're in charge (as opposed to an elderly woman who would likely be compared to that of Queen Elizabeth II).

Gurpreet Patel (Sent you a Friend Request) said:
why does holding a metronome make a pokemon's attacks stronger over time???? that doesn't make any sense!!!!!!!
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Honestly there's quite a few items which makes you wonder exactly how a Pokemon extracts a certain power/ability from (and how exactly people found that out). If I had to guess the reasoning behind it, maybe it's that the metronome is keeping the Pokemon "on time" with its attack, it's maybe not the attack is getting stronger but the Pokemon keeps to a rhythm and thus able to perform the attack more precisely. Think of it as a baseball pitcher practicing his throws. His first few throws may not be his best but once he gets to a rhythm he's throwing those balls fast and with much more force (the balls didn't change, the pitcher just got better as throwing them through repetition of action).
 
Pikachu315111 said:
(interestingly enough there is a "King of Fruit" that is paired with it: The Durian, curious why they only did the female/queen Magosteen and not also a male/king Durian counterpart)
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Do I really have to explain you why they didn't bother with the male countepart, or it is sufficent to remind you that sexual innuendo only really sells in one direction due to how degenerate your average male playerbase is? :blobglare:
 
Worldie said:
Do I really have to explain you why they didn't bother with the male countepart, or it is sufficent to remind you that sexual innuendo only really sells in one direction due to how degenerate your average male playerbase is? :blobglare:
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I mean, they didn't have to make the Durian King sexy. With the durian's thorny rind and horrible stench, it isn't hard to imagine a real lazy unhygienic bachelor Pokemon. It's not too uncommon in media to pair an attractive female with an ugly male, because... I guess it's supposed to be funny or something?
 
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