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Drakhun said:
... That's it I'm done with the NFL, it's now devolved beyond repair. Call me if the pats loose in the playoffs or superbowl, but this is a failure by everything the NFL has done, everything the NFL stands for. Teams are footnotes now, and games merely a formality. I say test the entire team for drugs, if any of them test positive they forfeit the giants game, fi any of them test positive for steroids, they forfeit the season retroactively.
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What the hell are you talking about? Players taking steroids are not grounds for forfeiting games, rather grounds for punishing individual players. This was fucking stupider than anything else said on this page.

Mr.E, it is ridiculously awesome. UT's win actually got me excited about UT football again, so now I am going to be overly optimistic all the way up till we blow a game against a shitty opponent next year!
 
Oh man I feel sorry for Falcons fans. I hope you guys get a Brohm or Woodson or SOMETHING because Vick and Petrino might have fucked your team for years.

I don't see why you guys aren't using Jerious Norwood though that dude has some promise and you are still running Warrick aging Dunn.
 
Hmm...I'll just ignore the rabid Patriots fanboy here. I'm mainly neutral on the matter since I'm a Cincinnati fan. :/
Sure, Brady and Moss broke records. But there's a difference between records on paper and quality of players. The way I see it, Rice had the longevity and character that Moss will never have. Does that take away from Moss' record? No. It's still an amazing accomplishment, but Moss isn't necessarily the better receiver.
The Patriots are an excellent team, no doubt. But are they invincible? No, not at all. The Giants nearly managed to defeat them, and Eli Manning had a better night stat-wise than Brady. Is Eli Manning the better quarterback overall? No. I'd like to see the Chargers knock off the Patriots in the playoffs. *prepares flame shield for rabid fanboy*
 
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Oh man I feel sorry for Falcons fans. I hope you guys get a Brohm or Woodson or SOMETHING because Vick and Petrino might have fucked your team for years.

I don't see why you guys aren't using Jerious Norwood though that dude has some promise and you are still running Warrick aging Dunn.
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I have no fucking idea honestly. Dunn fell off, really hard. He has like 2 something YPC at this point while Norwood has I think over double that yet Dunn is still the starting back.

As for Vick, that was just a stupid stupid decision on Arthur Blank's part for putting that much trust on someone as irresponsible as that.

And Petrino can go suck a dick. I hope Arkansas doesn't win a single name next year.

While the QB situation is definitely a problem, if Redman plays well (read: MORE THAN 4 COMPLETIONS A GAME) then he might be a candidate for starting QB next year.

I think the bigger problem at the moment is the O-line, the D-line, and the Secondary. O-line can't provide blocking for anything and the secondary keeps getting burned by any good reciever. The D-line is just a mess because w/ the release of Grady Jackson the tackle position has basically been up for grabs. Plus Jamaal still hasn't gotten a sack yet :justin:

The whole franchise is basically in hell right now and it's gonna be a good 4-5 years before it starts seeing some progress.

I'll be there when it does.

P.S. Speaking of dicksucking, Patriot fanboys need to shut the hell up.
 
Man the last few pages of this thread are terrible.

well the pats beat the giants it was expected. At least they made it a good game. But its the playoffs now and the pats 16-0 record is meaningless.

When i look at these playoffs games i realize one thing. Wow the NFC sucks.

Anyway i'm going to give my thoughts on the playoff games.

Jacksonville at Pittsburgh

A very interesting game. The one of the best rushing teams against the one of the best rush defense. Jacksonville went into pittsburgh and won once this season but i still think the Steelers are the better football team and will pull it out the next time. Jacksonville has the best offense but the Steelers have a better defense. A close game. 21-24 jeff reed game winning field
goal.

Tennessee at San Diego

I'm going to be honest i don't think much of tennessee and how they got into the playoffs bewilders me. The Chargers are a much better football team and are 10-2 since there shaky beginning. LT will be a factor. Tennessee has a good defense there offense will not be able to keep up. Vince Young is facing some good cbs isn't the most accurate passer.
17-31

Washington at Seattle

Washington has been playing really well the last 5 games. They have been running on all cylinders and have made there way to the playoffs. But to bad for them they aren't going to go any further. Seattle is a good football team. They have the passing game to spread out the redskins. The Redskins are a fairly mediocre team. Their biggest weapon going into this post season is their momentum. 21-27

New York at Tampa Bay

I already wrote a long post about this game a few pages back. Anyway to shorten it up. The giants have a good matchup against Tampa And they should beat them. But the giants being the giants they will make this game much closer than it needs to be. But i say eli will get his first playoff win. While riding the back of Brandon Jacobs. 24-17
 
I'm a Giants fan here, and seeing as Eli looked GREAT(minus the one overthrow for a pick) against the Patriots. Seeing as the ENTIRE team did well against the 16-0 Patriots, I have a good feeling in the playoffs with my G-Men.

Oh, Coughlin, let Bradshaw play!
Did ya miss the 88 yarder he had against Buffalo week 16?
 
Fight Two Demons, this is the only warning you'll get: stop fucking trolling. You're lucky I'm a busy man, or else you'd be infracted into a ban already.

Everyone who is flaming him back: cut the shit.

Okay, here's the REAL important NFL question that needs answering: which is the better division, AFC South or NFC East?
 
That is such a hard call. I think that you have to go with the AFC South. The Titans have won on DEF, the Jags and Colts have both had amazing offenses and defenses, while the Giants and Redskins basically passed through on other team's weaknesses. However, every team in the NFC East has positive net points, which is crazy.

Brian Billick fired :(
 
Tmnt Boy said:
Man the last few pages of this thread are terrible.

well the pats beat the giants it was expected. At least they made it a good game. But its the playoffs now and the pats 16-0 record is meaningless.

When i look at these playoffs games i realize one thing. Wow the NFC sucks.

Anyway i'm going to give my thoughts on the playoff games.

Jacksonville at Pittsburgh

A very interesting game. The one of the best rushing teams against the one of the best rush defense. Jacksonville went into pittsburgh and won once this season but i still think the Steelers are the better football team and will pull it out the next time. Jacksonville has the best offense but the Steelers have a better defense. A close game. 21-24 jeff reed game winning field
goal.

Tennessee at San Diego

I'm going to be honest i don't think much of tennessee and how they got into the playoffs bewilders me. The Chargers are a much better football team and are 10-2 since there shaky beginning. LT will be a factor. Tennessee has a good defense there offense will not be able to keep up. Vince Young is facing some good cbs isn't the most accurate passer.
17-31

Washington at Seattle

Washington has been playing really well the last 5 games. They have been running on all cylinders and have made there way to the playoffs. But to bad for them they aren't going to go any further. Seattle is a good football team. They have the passing game to spread out the redskins. The Redskins are a fairly mediocre team. Their biggest weapon going into this post season is their momentum. 21-27

New York at Tampa Bay

I already wrote a long post about this game a few pages back. Anyway to shorten it up. The giants have a good matchup against Tampa And they should beat them. But the giants being the giants they will make this game much closer than it needs to be. But i say eli will get his first playoff win. While riding the back of Brandon Jacobs. 24-17
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Yeah this is Where it's at. Predictions baby. Screw the Pats for now, heres how im going.

Jax @ Pittsburg.

K, well it will be closer you're definately right there. Everyone is like blah Pittsburg totaly sucks because they can't win the big one. I suspect that the Steelers may use that as fuel. I don't feel that that statement totaly discredits them however. However I have no idea what the weather will be like, which will play the biggest part of the game. If it's crappy and especially windy Jax should have a edge, as illustrated by their running game. Davenport is a very good back though, i remember watching him play with GB on a monday night and he lit it up. 14-6 Jax


Tenn @ San Diego

Totaly agree with you, its daft that they got in. However I like their run defense, and i don't think it will be as lobsided as you think. Especially if the weather is crappy. Now i don't want to beat the weather to death, but look at the GB\CHI game. GB is by far the better team, and that wind absolutely destroyed anything that they tryed to establish through the air. It's a longshot, but if the Titans slightly contain LT, and with a little help from mother nature, I think the Titans can pull it off. Hell yes upsets own, 21-17 Titans


GMEN @ Tampa

The giants really played their best football of the year agaisnt the Patriots on Saturday night. If it wasn't for some bone headed mistakes they may have pulled it off. They have a great ground attack, but they are going agaisnt a stellar tampa defense. The giants play great on the road, but i just don't see it being enough for the win. Add in the fact that Eli will throw the killer pics, and Jeff won't...and that's the ball game for me. The Bucs move onto the boys next week in dallas. Bucs win 31-24.

Skins @ Seattle

The skins are a great story and all, but the Seahawks are orgasmic at home. As you know the skins are coming off a big win agaisnt the cowboys, a win not to be discredited by lack of effort, remeber the cowboys played their starters into the 3rd quarter when the game was out of reach. (which drove me crazy btw) I think this one will just get pounded out and Alexander and Portis will have decent games. Seattle wins this one 17-14

Best division:

Its the AFC south with all the great teams including the Texans who are very under rated. But next year holy crap watch out for the NFC north it is gonna get tight. Certainly with Detroit and Minnesota coming off the late season flops, and then of course Green Bay is very young etc. Chicago is a joke and a huge disapointment this year, but they ended on a 2 W game streak and were the jackass spoilers for GB (not that i mind as a dallas fan lol) and the Saints. I tihnk Kyle orton is the right move.
 
These are my predictions for the playoffs.

Jacksonville at Pittsburgh
This is probably going to be similar to the regular season match-up, but Pittsburgh could be pretty fired up since they won't want to lose to the same team twice, especially in the playoffs. However, the loss of Parker will make this difficult for the Steelers since Big Ben will have to pass more. I'm taking the Jaguars in a close game. 17-14

Tennessee at San Diego
San Diego has an excellent running game that will be fairly well-matched by the Titans's defense, but with Haynesworth not playing as well as he could be because of a nagging injury, the Chargers will eventually be able to get through the Titans. The suffocating defense that the Chargers have displayed recently will also help them pressure whichever quarterback is playing for Tennessee as well, so I am going to take the Chargers in this one. 30-17

New York Giants at Tampa Bay
The Giants have been playing well over the past couple of weeks, but Eli tends to make some mistakes. Tampa Bay, on the other hand, has a good defense and a consistent offense. I think the Bucs has good chances here, but it will be close since the Giants will probably be fueled by the desire to finally win a playoff game. 34-27

Washington at Seattle
Seattle has the offense and the defense needed to stop the Redskins and spread them out. Washington has been great, with Todd Collins providing the necessary spark to play hard. Both teams are going to pound it out here. I think that the Redskins can take this one, though. 27-21
 
I heard rumors about McNabb maybe being traded and likely to Minnesota/Chicago. Any thoughts about this and would it help/hurt any of these teams (including the Eagles since they would have to find someone new)?
 
porygon3 said:
I heard rumors about McNabb maybe being traded and likely to Minnesota/Chicago. Any thoughts about this and would it help/hurt any of these teams (including the Eagles since they would have to find someone new)?
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Well this seemed almost inevitable a few weeks ago, but after a strong Eagles finish by Mcnabb and a good performances by Kyle Orton I doubt it. Or at least they won't go hard after him if he stays in Philly. If he does leave the Eagles, and i honestly doubt he will unless andy leaves, then it's almost for sure that he will also leave. No one really supports him which is sort of sad tbh, you have no idea how hard it is to find a good QB. If he is a free agent, i geuss Chicago has nothing to lose by signing him, kyle orton won't outplay him and then he may seek other teams. Other teams I see Mcnabb playing for besides the Bears include the Chiefs or Jets. I just don't see him in Minnesota, I think that TJ is the kid in Minneapolis for now.
 
San Diego will beat Tennessee.
Last game the were on the road and Rivers struggled.
He's been better since then and did good late last time...I think Chargers win big.

@other games: I don't care.
 
Did everyone forget the simple fact that it took the Chargers like until OVERTIME to actually get LDT running against the Titans? Pretty much that Titans game is the closest thing that ANYONE has ever come to shut down LDT, as it did for the first 4 quarters esentially. Not to mention, Phillip Rivers in playoffs? That's starting to closely become the phrase "Rex Grossman in the playoffs?" Chargers are also very quickly becoming one of the most overrated teams ever. Their 10-2 finish was with a lot of bullshit and 4 of the wins were against their shitty divison. 2 wins were on pretty much luck (Colts/Titans) so if you take all that away, it's like going 4-4. But then any of you guys can easily counter argument this from any team with 'if you take blahblah away from blahblah then blahblah would be blahblah' so take it as you want. Chargers are just annoying whining little bitches, much like LDT.

Also, picking Jags, Titans, Bucs, Redskins for wins.
 
NFC East is the best division ever in the history of the world, okay. It has the Dallas Cowboys and most of the best rivalries in the league. Also, they've sent three teams to the playoffs two years in a row now. ;[

blagh blagh blagh Jags/Chargers/Bucs/Seahawks, only team I'd really be surprised to see win is the Redskins though.
 
Jags vs. Steelers
They're almost the same team. They pound you into the ground and leave you gasping for air with mid-range passes. And yet...the Jags beat the Steelers when the Steelers were healthy, I think they manage the Steelers-Fast Willie.
Jags win 20-16

Titans vs. Chargers
The question here is...whose going to lay the egg? I'm tempted to say the Titans, but then I remember whose on the sidelines for the Chargers...
23-20 Titans win in OT...again.

Giants vs. Bucs
They're pretty equal, except the Bucs are at home and Jeff Garcia is a good deal better than Eli Manning. Still, it is more dependent on which Giants team shows up than anything. But I'm counting on another play-off egg courtesy of Eli. 24-10 Bucs

Redskins vs. Seahawks
The Seahawks gave up 44 points. That is cause for concern, but, wait! It gets worse! They gave up 44 pts. to the Chris Redman-led Falcons! I don't know what to think about the Seahawks. One week they're dominant and then they surrender 44 points to the Falcons, which an arena team would struggle to accomplish. Also, I officially hate life. If there was any doubt left that virtually trading Todd Collins for Rob Johnson was insanely moronic, it is now dispelled. Please excuse me as I cry in a corner about how much God hates my football team. Oh...the score. 28-20 'Skins.

Oh, and I hope whoever our new GM is, he fires Dick Jauron. I have officially seen enough, and I say to you wise Bears and Lions fans: you were right, we were wrong, but, please understand, all we have is kool-aid.
 
Week 18 Power rankings are in at espn and I personally think that where they have a few top 5 teams is stupid. Number 1 is obvious, Pats. Then it gets foggy. You have your 3 13-3 teams, and San Diego and Jax at 11-5. Espn has Pats-Colts-Boys (pretty standard top 3) Jax???- Green Bay???-San Diego- Seattle etc. Alrite, not that im any sort of fanboy, because boy have we seen enough Packers fanboys. But shouldn't Green Bay be over Jax? Not only do they have 2 more wins, but I mean come on, that was one of the best 1st half performances by the Packers all year agaisnt the lions. The Packers didn't start either of their 2 best Wideouts or half of their defense. Ryan Grant went out when he had around 60 yards. Branden Jackson came in and tore it up and the Packers ended up having 219 Rushing yards as a team. That's sick. Isn't this what the Jags are supposed to be good at? Hmm. Im not saying that they aren't good but why always use the excuse well blah we weren't playing for anything. Well whatever, I just feel as if Jax is getting way to trendy of a pick around the NFL, and im starting to feel bad about my predictions about them and Pittsburg. I think fans are getting desperate, any team that hasn't played the Pats still has a chance right? I think the hype needs to be tuned down for awhile. The teams that still have the best shot at NE are the boys-Pack-colts. While this is obvious, its sort of important to remember. Half the reason that the Eagles, Ravens, and Gmen were hanging in there was because of poor execution (or weather tbh) by the Pats.
 
On the argument of the AFC South vs the NFC East, it is very tough, even the last place team in those divisions is capable of winning. Everyone is .500+ in both divisions and all the teams have experience. I personally would have to go with the NFC East just because Houston has never won anything, its a surprise they are at .500. I do think that if they played each other the records would be nearly the same, with a slight nod to the NFC East.

Predictions:
Jags vs. Steelers
I have the Jags getting deep into the playoffs, so they aren't losing here. Both are very run oriented and both have young QBs who make great throws and don't turn the ball over. The Steelers can spread the field with Ward, Holmes, and Miller, so that can tip it into their favor. I think this will be a pretty boring game to watch, no scoring, all running. Jags win 10-7

 Titans vs. Chargers
LT or Vince Young? Norv Turner or the Madden Curse? A ton of goods and bads for each team, I dislike Norv Turner, but I think the Madden Curse will come back to bite Vince Young in the ass. LT has also been on fire the past few weeks. If Rivers doesn't play well, it will spell doom for the Chargers, as LT's success is based on Rivers. Will they drop the 8th guy in the box, or have to keep them back to cover Gates and Chambers. Chargers win 24-20

 Giants vs. Bucs
This game is wholly dependent on Eli, if hes on it will be an easy game for the Giants, if hes not the Bucs pass defense will rip him apart for a couple pick 6s. Jacobs can run over the defensive line, but he has shown he isn't the most durable. While Galloway is a downfield threat, I don't think they have enough run presence to make the Giants keep an extra man in the box. The Giants pass rush will let them keep the 8th guy back, and maybe even drop an extra guy back as well. Giants win 21-10

 Redskins vs. Seahawks
I see Hasselbeck and his amazing WRs ripping apart a struggling Skins secondary. The Seahawks also have a fantastic defensive line and will get to Todd Collins. I just don't envision the Skins even trying to keep up with the Seahawks. Seahawks dominate. Seahawks win 35-10
 
^^ I agree with everything you say zerowing. Except for the Steelers. I say that Palumalo has a GAME and so does roethlisberger. Steelers win. The Jags are good but I think that the Steelers have something to proove because they won the super bowl 2005-06, and they didn't even make into the playoffs in 06-07. They have something to proove and I say they do.
 
Hmm the best division in football, The NFC East or the AFC South?

Over the last few years it is without a doubt been the NFC East. Seeing as how they have 3 teams make the playoffs the last 3 years. But this year, i will have to go with the AFC South. Both divisions are the best in their league, but i personally with the AFC is heads and bounds above the NFC right now. I think it is that lopsided.
 
AFC South, Colts are superior to the Cowboys (yes), Jags superior to the Giants (yes), Titans superior to the Redskins (maybe...on a good day), and Texans superior to the Eagles if they get rid of McNabb and start Kolb or whatever next year. Texans were 7-3 outside of their division this year. Hot yes? You play the Colts and Jags twice each year and you are lucky to escape with a win. Put the Texans in the West and they could very well be in the playoffs right now.

The Titans are dangerous but it's all really on VY's shoulders...this team is looking more and more like the Vick Falcons imho.

Anyways, the South is stronger at the top than the NFC East, honestly.
 
So, who is going to knock off the Pats? People are running these odds around everywhere, i've seen the Jags go from a 1-5 to a 1-70. By no means is this exact math obviously. The best was the Colts at 1-4. On that same site which i believe was fox sports, they had the Jags at 1-12, Boys at 1-10 and Green Bay at 1-20. They also had the Chargers at 1-8, and tbh i think everyone is just getting all uptight and everyone thinks this is 06, which its not. I think GB has as good of a chance as anyone, and they really are the only team that hasn't already had it's hopes drained by losing to them, with the exception of the Jags of course. Thoughts?
 
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