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CAP 1 Smogon's First "Create a Pokemon": Reflections, Opinions, and Closing
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I wish I wa heard more, I'm telling you, an ability that swapped weaknesses and resistances (including Stealth Rock weakness) alongside Sill Swap would have been powerful.
I feel the order could be switched around a bit. Maybe figure a type and THEN design the creature. The competitive stuff should come last, most likely.
Ah well, I have over hundreds of Fakemon and moves already. If this can smhowfid its way to immortallity, I offer all my ideas... such as an electric/dark black sheep Mareep split evolution, amongst many others.
I feel the order could be switched around a bit. Maybe figure a type and THEN design the creature. The competitive stuff should come last, most likely.
Ah well, I have over hundreds of Fakemon and moves already. If this can smhowfid its way to immortallity, I offer all my ideas... such as an electric/dark black sheep Mareep split evolution, amongst many others.
Lol, amazing. It's the kind of idea I can perfectly see Game Freak using on the next generation.
These are my suggestions for the pre-evo:
Height: 2' 0"
Weight: 23 lbs.
Base Stats: 45/70/40/70/40/65 (BST: 330)
Movepool:
Level:
- Leech life
- Leer
- Ice Shard
7 Focus Energy
10 Knock Off
15 Slash
19 Bite
24 Icy Wind
30 X-Scissor
36 Twineedle (why not?)
38 Night Slash
TMs/HMs:
TM06: Toxic
TM07: Hail
TM10: Hidden Power
TM13: Ice Beam
TM14: Blizzard
TM17: Protect
TM18: Rain Dance
TM21: Frustration
TM27: Return
TM28: Dig
TM31: Brick Break
TM32: Double Team
TM39: Rock Tomb
TM40: Aerial Ace
TM42: Facade
TM43: Secret Power
TM44: Attract
TM45: Rest
TM46: Thief
TM54: False Swipe
TM58: Endure
TM62: Silver Wind
TM63: Embargo
TM66: Payback
TM70: Flash
TM72: Avalanche
TM75: Swords Dance
TM78: Captivate
TM80: Rock Slide
TM81: X-Scissor
TM82: Sleep Talk
TM83: Natural Gift
TM84: Poison Jab
TM87: Swagger
TM89: U-Turn
TM90: Substitute
HM01: Cut
HM04: Strength
HM06: Rock Smash
Height: 2' 0"
Weight: 23 lbs.
Base Stats: 45/70/40/70/40/65 (BST: 330)
Movepool:
Level:
- Leech life
- Leer
- Ice Shard
7 Focus Energy
10 Knock Off
15 Slash
19 Bite
24 Icy Wind
30 X-Scissor
36 Twineedle (why not?)
38 Night Slash
TMs/HMs:
TM06: Toxic
TM07: Hail
TM10: Hidden Power
TM13: Ice Beam
TM14: Blizzard
TM17: Protect
TM18: Rain Dance
TM21: Frustration
TM27: Return
TM28: Dig
TM31: Brick Break
TM32: Double Team
TM39: Rock Tomb
TM40: Aerial Ace
TM42: Facade
TM43: Secret Power
TM44: Attract
TM45: Rest
TM46: Thief
TM54: False Swipe
TM58: Endure
TM62: Silver Wind
TM63: Embargo
TM66: Payback
TM70: Flash
TM72: Avalanche
TM75: Swords Dance
TM78: Captivate
TM80: Rock Slide
TM81: X-Scissor
TM82: Sleep Talk
TM83: Natural Gift
TM84: Poison Jab
TM87: Swagger
TM89: U-Turn
TM90: Substitute
HM01: Cut
HM04: Strength
HM06: Rock Smash
*warning sirens blast*
NO! NO NO NO! Unevolved Pokemon don't GET Hyper Beam or Giga Impact unless they were fully evolved in a previous generation!
Fine...
Oh, don't worry. I want to increase community participation. Polls lend themselves to a read, click, leave nature (I've done this many times). My idea is to remove the polls so that people have to back their votes up with support. It adds to discussion. They can also change their minds, up until the time the "poll" closes.
Honestly, how many times have you guys been life "WTF? who voted for that option" when no one posted in support of it? I wish to remove this factor. It means more work for me, but it will lead to a better, more cohesive end result.
I still don't see why someone would use LO and Substitute in the same set...it's not like the sub lets you set up anything, and in Sandstorm or something you're losing 16% a turn + 25% every two turns for subbing and having it get broken, you're only able to really get 4 hits in. Unless there's no LO recoil while behind a substitute? Anyway, I'd probably try to use a set like this:
Syclant @ Life Orb - Compoundeyes
Naive (+Speed, -Sp. D)
(144 Atk, 108 Sp. Atk, 252 Speed)
-Superpower
-Blizzard
-Earth Power
-Bug Buzz
EV's guarantee a OHKO on Blissey with SR+Spikes, or three layers of spikes, or really anything that gets it down to 75%. Maxed Speed, and Earth Power is for fires that would otherwise be troublesome. Walled by Steels as per usual, but Forretress really doesn't like Earth Power all that much (2HKO with Rocks, potential OHKO if they opt for Shed Shell over Lefties). Blizzard is for STAB and destroying things in general, and Compoundeyes helps that out.
Syclant @ Life Orb - Compoundeyes
Naive (+Speed, -Sp. D)
(144 Atk, 108 Sp. Atk, 252 Speed)
-Superpower
-Blizzard
-Earth Power
-Bug Buzz
EV's guarantee a OHKO on Blissey with SR+Spikes, or three layers of spikes, or really anything that gets it down to 75%. Maxed Speed, and Earth Power is for fires that would otherwise be troublesome. Walled by Steels as per usual, but Forretress really doesn't like Earth Power all that much (2HKO with Rocks, potential OHKO if they opt for Shed Shell over Lefties). Blizzard is for STAB and destroying things in general, and Compoundeyes helps that out.
So....Hyra is obviously the next mod, I respect that. Is this on Shoddy yet, or no? I really want to use one. It works so well with my team. Oh and I compiled a list of possible next POkemon:
-My idea on Warlax. Just the desacription and Moves could be kept. I think if we were to give an option to make a move other than the two I made, it would get really broken.
-Marowak Evo. I think a lot of people liked Rocko's [My avatar]
-Farfetch'd evo. " "
-a Fire/Dragon type
-Ghost/Fire sounds awsome
-Mismagius evo
-Miltank/Tauros pre-evo
-Pinsir evo
-Sudowoodo Evo
-Absol evo
-Torkoal evo
-Stantler evo
-Spinda
-Zangoose/Seviper [If chosen you NEED both to go along with the rivalry]
-Sanslash
-others
I pretty much put a lot of UU/BL pokes in there. A lot are in need of Evos, cough*Farfetch'd*cough. And don't yell at me for posting this. I mean come on, we need a foundation for the next poll.
-My idea on Warlax. Just the desacription and Moves could be kept. I think if we were to give an option to make a move other than the two I made, it would get really broken.
-Marowak Evo. I think a lot of people liked Rocko's [My avatar]
-Farfetch'd evo. " "
-a Fire/Dragon type
-Ghost/Fire sounds awsome
-Mismagius evo
-Miltank/Tauros pre-evo
-Pinsir evo
-Sudowoodo Evo
-Absol evo
-Torkoal evo
-Stantler evo
-Spinda
-Zangoose/Seviper [If chosen you NEED both to go along with the rivalry]
-Sanslash
-others
I pretty much put a lot of UU/BL pokes in there. A lot are in need of Evos, cough*Farfetch'd*cough. And don't yell at me for posting this. I mean come on, we need a foundation for the next poll.
Did I say anything about types in that post? How can we make types when we don't have a Pokemon? Obviously they would have the first type the first evo has, but we can vote on a second. That list was a possible list for a poll on what to creat a new Pokemon on.
i ment we vote for the types, then we chose if we want to make it an evo (probably not) then we choose everything else about it. like the one that worked.
But if you have seen the last few polls, most people really wanted a Farfethch'd evo or a new evo.
Ok, So here's my thoughts and opinions on the actual pokemon.
Though I did not participate actively all the way through, I at least lurked on most of the polls and took in what was going on.
First to Coop, You handled it aswell as anyone really could the first time round, Some errors on you're part made a bit of a hassle of the actual moveset pokemon however You have to be congratulated on what you made.
Now onto the Pokemon. I feel like Common Sense was overidden many times on this pokemon, and though I was really excited with the start of it, I'm not to keen on the end result.
First of all, the Bug looks rather stocky and sharp, Something other drawings had over advantage over it. (JSC's is a perfect example, even though I voted for neither) (This is not shown in the lil mini sprite which does look awesome). Arm's look out of place into where they protude from the actual Abdomen of pokemon. Also the way the icicles come from the pokemon's back don't look right from both angles.
The abilities are poor for this poke to say the least. How are they Compound eyes? Look at other pokemon, and then look at this one, You notice that the eyes on this differ from a far greater deviant than between the others, As for mountaineer, it's about as useful as run away. The way I suggested it made is so much more, Alas I don't feel as the Ability is of any use, or how it relates to mountaineer.
Dex entries 2 and 3 are amazing, though they should be re-wrote to actually compliment each other. I feel Dex 1 overshadows other good choices, and the 100x stronger part just ruins it. If the pokemon is that frail in defences how can it be smased so easily?
How can you punch something without a hand? Posion Jab, yeah that's fair, the Fang, that's fair but Ice Punch? I feel the same way about Shadow Claw.
I feel that it should have Pursuit in it's egg moves, If it's as aggressive as the Dex points it out to be, then it'll chase it's prey till the end, It also seems to be a cannibal, so leech life should be a must move. Bug Bite should also be a given move, if it likes to bite and has fangs. I also thinks his egg group should be extended to monster, as that's how much it's painted as one. Maybe the Egg Group is added on Evo.
Trivial Info:
Dex: No 542
??? Pokemon
HT 4'6
WT 135.8lbs
(Footprint)?
Hold Item:
Icy Rock 4%
Base EXP
Medium Slow (Can't remember exact #)
Hatch Rate: 6,400 (Like Scyther, Pinisir and Hera)
Catch Rate: 43
EV's from Fighting: 1 Atk, 1 Speed
Locations:
Route 238, Cilager Mountain, Route 239
As for pre-evo, Dependant on what he looks like, i believe all fangs and slash's should be removed from his arsenal of choice, and thus Crunch striken from his Egg Moves.
I believe he should also not learn Sheer Cold as a move, or Bug Buzz (Evo Only). Pre-vo moves that he could learn instead. Harden, Headbutt, (Option of Zen Headbutt egg move).
How will he evolve? Generic level up? Item Evo? Move Evo? Happiness Evo? I'm gonna go for a level 31 Evo (Quite standard for 2 Evo Poke).
As for next mod, I'd like to try my hand and dabble in this, However if i had to choose someone, I would have to go for Doug, his commitment to his drawings and him constantly striving gives him my backing
Longest post whoo :D.
Though I did not participate actively all the way through, I at least lurked on most of the polls and took in what was going on.
First to Coop, You handled it aswell as anyone really could the first time round, Some errors on you're part made a bit of a hassle of the actual moveset pokemon however You have to be congratulated on what you made.
Now onto the Pokemon. I feel like Common Sense was overidden many times on this pokemon, and though I was really excited with the start of it, I'm not to keen on the end result.
First of all, the Bug looks rather stocky and sharp, Something other drawings had over advantage over it. (JSC's is a perfect example, even though I voted for neither) (This is not shown in the lil mini sprite which does look awesome). Arm's look out of place into where they protude from the actual Abdomen of pokemon. Also the way the icicles come from the pokemon's back don't look right from both angles.
The abilities are poor for this poke to say the least. How are they Compound eyes? Look at other pokemon, and then look at this one, You notice that the eyes on this differ from a far greater deviant than between the others, As for mountaineer, it's about as useful as run away. The way I suggested it made is so much more, Alas I don't feel as the Ability is of any use, or how it relates to mountaineer.
Dex entries 2 and 3 are amazing, though they should be re-wrote to actually compliment each other. I feel Dex 1 overshadows other good choices, and the 100x stronger part just ruins it. If the pokemon is that frail in defences how can it be smased so easily?
How can you punch something without a hand? Posion Jab, yeah that's fair, the Fang, that's fair but Ice Punch? I feel the same way about Shadow Claw.
I feel that it should have Pursuit in it's egg moves, If it's as aggressive as the Dex points it out to be, then it'll chase it's prey till the end, It also seems to be a cannibal, so leech life should be a must move. Bug Bite should also be a given move, if it likes to bite and has fangs. I also thinks his egg group should be extended to monster, as that's how much it's painted as one. Maybe the Egg Group is added on Evo.
Trivial Info:
Dex: No 542
??? Pokemon
HT 4'6
WT 135.8lbs
(Footprint)?
Hold Item:
Icy Rock 4%
Base EXP
Medium Slow (Can't remember exact #)
Hatch Rate: 6,400 (Like Scyther, Pinisir and Hera)
Catch Rate: 43
EV's from Fighting: 1 Atk, 1 Speed
Locations:
Route 238, Cilager Mountain, Route 239
As for pre-evo, Dependant on what he looks like, i believe all fangs and slash's should be removed from his arsenal of choice, and thus Crunch striken from his Egg Moves.
I believe he should also not learn Sheer Cold as a move, or Bug Buzz (Evo Only). Pre-vo moves that he could learn instead. Harden, Headbutt, (Option of Zen Headbutt egg move).
How will he evolve? Generic level up? Item Evo? Move Evo? Happiness Evo? I'm gonna go for a level 31 Evo (Quite standard for 2 Evo Poke).
As for next mod, I'd like to try my hand and dabble in this, However if i had to choose someone, I would have to go for Doug, his commitment to his drawings and him constantly striving gives him my backing
Longest post whoo :D.
i have and have seen some but little support. go and read the 1st poll. if fly/fight is chosen then it may well be a farfrched evo.
and ghandi nice post.
If you look at Gross, he does look like he has the somewhat basis of a fist (Notice the claw's to close) So it makes a fist, granted a very distorted fist but a fist none the less.
Syclant has a Spike Limb not a fist
And Eric thanks :D
Actually, the image is just a representation of it being able to shoot things. The other hand doesnt have a Spike prutruding.
Ok, so one hand is a spike, the other is a cannon (Notice the inverted fingers opening up for a hollow inside where ice is produce) Unless it can attempt to punch with those fingers, it's not really a punch at all (fingers closed would make it look like a peace symbol)
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