Or even Ice Path
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Or perhaps they genuinely thought it was no big deal. Game Freak being Game Freak, I wouldn't be surprised.
"After all, the TCG does that all the time."
Honestly i'm still divided on what the heck happened that time.
I think both the "They are so disconnected that they thought it wasnt a big deal" and "Maybe if we just slightly say it by the end noone will notice" are viable possibilities.
I'm slightly more skewed toward the first option though, because it'd not have been the first time such a huge disconnection between PR and playerbase happens with Pokemon (remember the other disaster that happened with Let's Go reveal?), and on top of it, because in the last couple years multiple big companies have fell for the same disconnect problem, I sure hope you guys have phones btw.
In either cases, I sure hope whoever came up with the idea to do that got fired since then.
What do you mean?
That I wouldn't be shocked if they treat Dexit as if they were rotating cards.
Dexit probably will never go away, because in the end really didn't hurt their bottom dollar, Sword and Shield are only outsold by Red/Green/Blue, BDSP and Let's Go both outsold the three pre-dexit remakes, and Legends had the best launch week of any Pokemon title, and is still climbing up in sales numbers rapidly.
And also remember that in all of these cases, they only count physical sales. We can only guess how much higher those numbers are if they added in digital copies bought.
And also remember that in all of these cases, they only count physical sales. We can only guess how much higher those numbers are if they added in digital copies bought.
If Game Freak didn't get how valued the national dex was they would've saved themselves the immense hassle and cut it a long time ago
No I genuinely do not, that game's reveal really wasn't taken that badly lol. A fair bit of confusion and surprise yeah but not the degree of pervasive venomous rage I'd call something a "pr disaster" for causing
Well it wasnt a disaster "per se", but they opted to reveal the first Switch release to a very small amount of news, only in japan, with the entire rest of the planet basically leaving things to tweets, and a lot of misunderstanding with a lot of people convinced that "it was a full series reboot and all switch games would follow that formula".
I doubt it's a case of "not caring".
We know Dexit was coming sooner or later due to the fact it's not sustainable. A better programming company may have done it a bit later... or actually have some foresight and never gone through with the full pokedex in first place.
They may or may not have underestimated how many people actually cared for the entire portability (spoilers, more than i thought, but much less than you'd expect, as you said, sales don't lie, the game was well received and large majority of the buyers didn't care or didn't feel that the lack of full pokedex was a reason to not buy it).
But now that they finally gone through with it, it's not going away.
And, strictly speaken from a programmer standpoint, I hope full pokedex never comes back, because that'd really be very dumb.
It's possible, and in fact it's basically what they seem to be looking to do with the following entries. SwSh, LA and BDSP have different rosters, and SV is likely to have a entirely different one. I would more or less expect that either with SV or with SV + the next gen 9 game, the entire dex will be available in "some" switch game.
I decided against Ice Path since its at the end of the game. I picked Whirl Islands as you can visit them as soon as you can Surf... and then I remembered you also need Whirlpool which you don't get until the end of the game.
So instead I think the Icy Rock could have gone in Union Cave. If Union Cave is cold enough for a Lapras, it's cold enough for the Icy Rock.
Well here's the video of the Treehouse where the announcement was made (I started it at 25:39 as I feel the build-up to the announcement is important).
Now they WANTED it to be treated like it was no big deal. "Ho hum, I hoped you liked all the exciting new features coming with Sword & Shield! Oh, one last little tiny thing, SwSh will be compatible with HOME and you can transfer your Pokemon in Bank to HOME and then SwSh as long as they're in the Galar dex". *Commentator asks about sending Shiny Pokemon caught to GO into SwSh* "Uh, yes, Pokemon in GO can be sent to HOME and into SwSh as long as they're in the Galar dex... BYE!". However, it was treated like anything BUT no big deal.
In either cases, I sure hope whoever came up with the idea to do that got fired since then.
No, Masuda is still working there. An before you ask, no, there's obviously nothing saying whose idea was it to announce it that way, but I wouldn't be surprised if after the decision was made Masuda went "I'm more familiar with the fanbase, I'll announce it at the end the Treehouse, I'll make it clear why we did so and there should be little backlash".
Eh, not the same thing. The TCG doesn't select what cards from every set is still viable and occasionally switching things up. What happens with the TCG, much like with others, is that there comes a point where an old set just becomes outdated and so that entire set is no longer allowed. The reason for this is a logical one: once they move onto a new TCG set they stop printing the previous one, meaning all those cards are now out of print and as the years go on & more sets are introduced those older cards are harder to get. Thus, at some point the set is retired so that new players who want to get into the competitive scene don't have to worry about not having & facing against these batch of really good cards from a very old out of print set.
What Pokemon are in and not in a Regional Dex is all at the whims of GameFreak what they feel fits the region for whatever reason.
I don't think anyone was suggesting it would, at least not anymore. And a Restricted Dex can be a valuable tool, if only GF would use it as such.
I would be surprised, no, disappointed if all the remaining Pokemon that are still waiting aren't put into SV. I shouldn't be surprised because it's such an obvious thing... but GF have shown them and obvious get along as well as Zangoose and Seviper.
(I'll let you decide who-is-what and the metaphor that entails)
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I never said it was. I said that maybe they think it is similar.
The only reason for which I didn't specify Masuda is because I'm not convinced it was Masuda's idea in first place.
Call it (appropriately) unpopular opinion if you want, but I think people demonize him too much.
I rather feel that since they know he's the "face" of GameFreaks, whoever writes the PR makes him do all the talking. For good or bad.
Which basically turns him into the strawman that everyone hates, even though we don't actually know if it's him that took that (and other) decision or not. Not that he'd have any other option, if they tell him to say that, he says that.
Nintendo / TPCI wouldn't exactly be the first company to have a dedicated strawman to do all the (potentially) unpopular announcements and take all the hate on themselves. Es back in the days, I used to actually knew one of the guys that handled a lot of the Blizzard unpopular shit (used to go by the name Lore), and he also was in a similar situation once he got hired by them, where they'd "write" what he would have to say, and there wasn't a "no" option, you do it or get fired.
(Which, doesn't mean it can't be Masuda taking these PR decisions eh. I just say we don't know if that was actually his decision or not.)
p.s. I may be really really heavy on COPIUM, but I want to believe that at least some of GF heads arent THAT disconnected from the fanbase. I want to believe it's a problem of "the franchise grew too big for its own good and the TPCI leadership has no idea of what goes on at the bottom". Let me try to be optmistic ok :(
Masuda became Sonic's Iizuka honestly
Was this the thread where I said I'd make a Venn diagram about the difference between generations and regions? I can't remember, so if any staff are reading, feel free to move this to the correct thread. Whatever the case, here it is:
Was this the thread where I said I'd make a Venn diagram about the difference between generations and regions? I can't remember, so if any staff are reading, feel free to move this to the correct thread. Whatever the case, here it is:
Game Freak outright said that they don't internally divide games by generation, this is especially apparent post-dexit. Every new game since Let's Go has its own Origin symbol and a completely different lineup of Pokemon/forms that were available. They use the term "generation" in some specs of games, but the word is not used in the same way fans use it. For example, BDSP and Legends are both considered their own separate "generations" from Sword and Shield(yes, plural, BDSP and Legend are considered separate as well).
Speaking of this divide, on the subject of Home's decision to rewrite movesets upon a Pokemon transferring to a new game: I honestly think this is probably going to be a good thing overall. As Hematite explained it on Discord, Game Freak has clearly attempted to strike certain moves from learn-sets but transferring Pokemon means that could never really stick besides the Gen 2 to 3 transition; this is mainly an issue in-cart where younger players won't have access to these specific combinations and therefore may be at an inherent disadvantage. With this change, the greater control over learn-set would remove this potential player imbalance while also offering more room to diversify certain Pokemon, and that latter sentiment is one I can get behind. Granted, this system definitely needs improvement over how BDSP handled things, where certain mons got their movepools gutted for no reason. I also hope they only replace removed moves since otherwise players who do want to transfer mons may be stuck having to reteach a mon certain moves each transfer, which sounds annoying and might just discourage transferring altogether for some players.
But as for restricting moves in the future, I have one definite request: Scald. I have grown to have several issues with Scald from a game design standpoint, and a large part of that dislike is how much distribution it gets. Other than dual Ice types and weird cases like Pyukumuku and Rotom, basically every Water type gets Scald, and no Pokemon that gets Scald has ever had it removed from its in-game learnset (if you could learn it by TM in Gen 5, you can still learn it in the latest gen you appear it). On top of making things less interesting imo since every Water not hyper-fixated on physical attacks can slot it in, this high distribution of Scald also exacerbates issues such as how mindlessly spammable the move is in most games (since there's often no real downside to clicking the move) and how Surf, which should be Water's Flamethrower/Thunderbolt/Ice Beam equivalent, is wholly inferior to Scald because it has no secondary effect and thus sees no usage. If Toxic or Knock Off warrant getting restricted, then Scald definitely does.
And I do feel this particular restriction would make the competitive scene of Gen 9 more interesting. We can already see this with Slowbro, which often drops Scald for options like Ice Beam and Body Press that better answer certain parts of the meta; I think it could be really interesting to see how Bro would keep developing if it couldn't fall back on Scald, and there's several other bulky Waters that have the potential to develop in interesting ways if they couldn't just spam burns. Basically Scald is stupid and the meta would honestly be better if less mons got it.
But as for restricting moves in the future, I have one definite request: Scald. I have grown to have several issues with Scald from a game design standpoint, and a large part of that dislike is how much distribution it gets. Other than dual Ice types and weird cases like Pyukumuku and Rotom, basically every Water type gets Scald, and no Pokemon that gets Scald has ever had it removed from its in-game learnset (if you could learn it by TM in Gen 5, you can still learn it in the latest gen you appear it). On top of making things less interesting imo since every Water not hyper-fixated on physical attacks can slot it in, this high distribution of Scald also exacerbates issues such as how mindlessly spammable the move is in most games (since there's often no real downside to clicking the move) and how Surf, which should be Water's Flamethrower/Thunderbolt/Ice Beam equivalent, is wholly inferior to Scald because it has no secondary effect and thus sees no usage. If Toxic or Knock Off warrant getting restricted, then Scald definitely does.
And I do feel this particular restriction would make the competitive scene of Gen 9 more interesting. We can already see this with Slowbro, which often drops Scald for options like Ice Beam and Body Press that better answer certain parts of the meta; I think it could be really interesting to see how Bro would keep developing if it couldn't fall back on Scald, and there's several other bulky Waters that have the potential to develop in interesting ways if they couldn't just spam burns. Basically Scald is stupid and the meta would honestly be better if less mons got it.
The real thing is that people still think this is going to be a permanent thing when in reality the only reason it's in place is cause otherwise transferring stuff from BDSP to LA to SwSh would be a major headache with constant moves removal / relearning due to moves not just "not learnable" but literally not present in the 3 games respectively.
It's really Legend Arceus status and stat redistribution all over again, when everyone was like "omg this will destroy the gameplay" without realizing there was a reason for certain changes *in that context* that do not carry over to other games.
SV will have the same movesets as SwSh.
It's really Legend Arceus status and stat redistribution all over again, when everyone was like "omg this will destroy the gameplay" without realizing there was a reason for certain changes *in that context* that do not carry over to other games.
SV will have the same movesets as SwSh.
Eh, that just feeds into what I guess could be called "NPC bloat" or "service bloat", similar to the oft complained about item bloat. Gotta have an NPC who teaches Draco Meteor, gotta have an NPC who teaches Pledges, gotta have an NPC with a bottle cap collection who'll hyper train your mons, gotta have one or more NPCs who give out legendary key items like the Reveal Glass, etcetera etcetera. So many services that have to be stuck somewhere in the region through increasingly contrived methods.
Imagine if Lava Plume had better distribution. It also has a 30% burn chance, but I saw someone point out on Freezai's video about Scald that Water and Ghost types are better at inflicting burns nowadays.
My newest unpopular opinion: Grumpig > Lechonk.
The issue with Scald isn't distribution(though the fact that it's on everything doesn't help). The problem is, there's 3 things you can switch into Surf: Grass, Water, or Dragon. None of those 3 want to be burned, as a general rule. The only things that are immune to burn are Fire-types, which die to Scald. Lava Plume is fine, you probably have a Flamethrower/Fire Blast/Sacred Fire switch-in, and that can take Lava Plume as well. It's like Discharge, it's theoretically annoying, but since you're already switching in a ground because you expect Volt Switch, the para chance on Discharge is irrelevant. Scald hits everything Water(already a good type) can hit AND hits the things that resist it with an annoying status. Mono-attack builds like CroCune should be a risky play, not the primary build for most of the mons of a type for multiple generations.
This is a misconception. Masuda is on GameFreak's Board of Directors (up until yesterday), meaning the only person with direct power over him is the CEO, Tajiri.
The presence of even a single person above him can still validate my theory you know :p