HGSS also switches around what Hoenn legendaries you can find. Kyogre and Latias are exclusive to HeartGold, while Groudon and Latios are exclusive to SoulSilver.
two things:Even ignoring how unbalanced Scald is (which is a pretty hard ask, but that's beside the point), it just doesn't make any sense from a flavor perspective how every Water type learns it, either. How, exactly, are most water types producing the heat necessary to spray boiling water? Scald just feels very poorly considered, both in terms of balance and how it fits into most Pokemon's movesets. Strictly from a flavor perspective (balance may warrant a few more Pokemon losing it), I'd restrict Scald to the following Water types:
- Blastoise: The cannons on its back is sufficient justification to shoot boiling hot water, even if it doesn't learn any other moves associated with fire. Make it a pulse move for extra chaos in NatDex, because why the hell not?
- Lapras: It's always had an oddly diverse movepool, and it's said to be highly intelligent; I'm sure it can figure how how to produce scalding water. This is probably the biggest stretch out of the entire list, but also consider that Lapras deserves it
- Lanturn: The electricity it produces should be capable of heating up water.
- Octillery: Its design draws from a tank, and it learns Fire Blast as is. Learning Scald is well within reason for it.
- Simipour: Notably, this is one of the only Pokemon to naturally learn Scald by level-up, and it connects with their primarily associated trainers, the Striaton Trio, as chefs. The pattern on its chest also somewhat resembles a geyser, which is more than what most Water types can say.
- Clawitzer: This little guy is based off pistol shrimp, which can produce water bubbles that can briefly reach temperatures of almost 4,800 degrees Celsius - and yes, this is a real animal, not an exaggerated Pokedex entry! I see no reason why it can't shoot scalding water.
- Volcanion: duh.
You could also make the argument for... pretty much anything that isn't Toxapex, which doesn't deserve it; a couple that come to mind are Inteleon and Gyarados. The point is more that Scald is too widely distributed, and taking a good hard look at what Pokemon can actually logically use the move and reducing it would be ultimately a good thing for the meta, as well.
To add to this, scientifically to make something cold is HARDER than to make something hottwo things:
1) Lapras (and every other Ice/Water type) cannot learn the Scald TM
2) So almost every non-Ice type water being able to make Ice is a-okay(even the few that can't learn Ice Beam get something like Icy Wind outside of of a few rare cases like Rotom-W and Volcanion), but making scalding hot water is too weird?
To be fair, boiling-hot water is pretty rare thematic concept, which is more relevant for the magical creature game. In terms of the natural world, mythology, culture, etc, the only themes I can think of involving boiling-hot water are:To add to this, scientifically to make something cold is HARDER than to make something hot
That's one way to look at it, but it doesn't really work. US/UM and S/S switched around Dialga/Palkia, Reshiram/Zekrom* and Xerneas/Yveltal. They are in the game which is the opposite color of their game of origin.While I don't think it really matters, if you want to label the games as the "Red Version" and "Blue Version" you could use the recent Legendary Hunts which has the mascots be version exclusives:
If we go by colors, this does not really work either as Diamond, Black*, X and Sword are blue, while Pearl, White*, Y and Shield are red.Red/Version 1: Gold, Ruby, Diamond, Black, X, Sun, Sword
Blue/Version 2: Silver, Sapphire, Pearl, White, Y, Moon, Shield
Not only the legendaries, but if we look at all of the version exclusives for OR/AS, Omega Ruby generally has exclusive Pokémon which are red, white or have lighter colors, while Alpha Sapphire has exclusive Pokémon which are blue, black or have darker colors.I'm wondering if they were maybe more trying to match Legendary by not Version 1 & 2 but by colors? Omega Ruby's Legendaries were "lighter/warmer" colors: orange, red, pink, & white; Alpha Sapphire's were "darker/cooler" colors: blues & black. when you lined them up they all nicely went together.
You are correct about Groudon/Kyogre, but the Lati@s match the color of the game. Latias is red like HeartGold while Latios is blue like SoulSilver.HGSS also switches around what Hoenn legendaries you can find. Kyogre and Latias are exclusive to HeartGold, while Groudon and Latios are exclusive to SoulSilver.
Latios is exclusive to Ruby, and Latias is exclusive to Sapphire. Ruby and Sapphire are much more obviously analogous to the colors red and blue than HeartGold and SoulSilver are.You are correct about Groudon/Kyogre, but the Lati@s match the color of the game. Latias is red like HeartGold while Latios is blue like SoulSilver.
Oh. It seems I misunderstood what you were trying to say.Latios is exclusive to Ruby, and Latias is exclusive to Sapphire. Ruby and Sapphire are much more obviously analogous to the colors red and blue than HeartGold and SoulSilver are.
I agree. But as I am the one who started this, let's get back to the point.I feel like people are needlessly overcomplicating this. Version 1 is the first title, and version 2 is the second.
Well I believe the exclusive pokemon are respectively almost identical to Red (Pikachu) and Blue (Eevee) so not exactly hard to connect them ;)The ones I am unsure about are LGP/E. I have no idea which one of them should be seen as red and which should be blue. Neither of them really leans to either color, so I guess they might be an exception to the rule of pairs coming in red and blue colors.
We know that's the case, because Red and Blue was a localisation change made specifically for the USA.I doubt GameFreak intended red and blue to be a thing when the original releases were red and GREEN.
It's actually more likeYeah, the true order of Pokemon main games goes like:
1. Pocket Monsters Red and Green
2. Pokemon Red and Blue (released in Japan as Blue only)
3. Pokemon Yellow
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22. Pokemon Scarlet and Violet
Speaking of which, my unpopular opinion is that I'm not really excited for SV for now. Aside from Lechonk and Quaxly, none of the mons grab my interest, and we're not sure how much this open world direction would affect the game.
Cherrim of all things is used as Manaphy's sun counterpart?
Well DUH, it's not like there's a Grass-type Mythical oh wait nevermindCherrim of all things is used as Manaphy's sun counterpart?
Ok I hate the concept of a Sound type so I was 100% on board until the Regal stuff haha. The Regal type would have many of the same issues you outlined with Sound, while having the additional problem of a lack of moves. We have King's Shield as an obvious option but that's limited to a Pokemon that didn't even make the list of potential Regal-types. Noble Roar also works I guess, but neither is a damaging move and I think that's where the real challenges lie.Between all the fanmade types, Sound is one of the most popular ones, and I don’t know why any human would want Sound type in the game and is arguably second to Wind type (not renamed Flying, a brand new type) in dumbest type idea.
First, would Sound type fit a good portion of moves?
Sure. Exploud, Chatot, and Meloetta being part Sound makes sense, and having Boomburst be Sound type makes sense (thematically at least).
However, many Pokemon that would be associated with Sound already have dual typings that doesn’t include Normal and there are already Non-Normal type Sound moves like Bug Buzz. Pokemon like Kommo-o and Toxtricity could be part Sound but it would honestly ruin how they were established as Dragon/Fighting and Poison/Electric (I will concede that this can be solved by regional forms, but you’re need a good excuse for Toxtricity to be Sound type in a new region but not Galar). Their signature moves would also be potentially ruined by becoming Sound like Bug Buzz and Snarl would. A solution for supporters of the moves like Flying Press, but I feel like that would have the affect of making a bunch of characters Metal Benders in TLoK. It forgets why Flying Press is a cool move just so they can fit in Sound type that has no business in the game already.
Supporters of Sound type will also just attach the typing to Pokemon marginally or not at all related to Sound like Electrode or Altaria. Why? They make sound, but so do a ton of Pokemon already. And that brings me to my next point.
Second thing wrong with Sound type, is conceptually what is a Sound Pokemon? What I mean by that, let’s look at other typings.
Grass is more than just Pokemon based on actual species of Grass (funnily enough there is like 2 and one of them is Steel/Flying. I could be wrong on how many actual species of Grass are actual Pokemon). Grass encompasses all sorts of Plants and even Fungi. Trevenant is comprised of a tree possessed by a ghost. Sceptile is a reptile covered in leaves. Roserade is a humanoid rose.
Grass additionally makes sense for what its weak to and what it resists. Bugs/Birds eat grass and leaves, plants would absorb the water attacks, ect.
Fire types are similar. They don’t just encompass actual flames, but encompass a lot of things associated with heat (unless you’re the Pokemon Sun mascot that doesn’t even have Flash Fire despite eating stars), and it has common sense type effectiveness.
We also have Fighting, which is pretty weird as a type if you actually think about it. However, there is still come sense as Fighting defensively would easily be seen as martial arts and encompasses multiple martial arts.
The problem with Sound in this case is that it’s completely nonsensical as either a state of being or how it interacts with other types. What the hell would a being made out of Sound even look like? What would it even be defensively? You can imagine Pokemon like Exploud being Sound type, but what would the Sound part of it even be defending the actual Pokemon? And also what would be even encompassed for Sound type Pokemon? It would just be Music Pokemon and Pokemon that are really loud somehow, which is both too specific and too broad.
Third thing wrong with Sound is that it’s basically just Normal. This is an issue with a lot of Fanmade types.
Light is just Fairy.
Wind is just Flying.
Earth is just Ground.
Material is just Rock.
Cosmic is just a specific set of Psychic.
Sound is just a specific set of Normal.
The only way for Sound to make sense on the type chart is to have it be a modified really, besides being SE on some types. I also really don’t see why Sound really count be Normal type for most Pokemon besides special cases.
Fourth thing, SOUND ALREADY EXISTS AS A CATEGORY!!!
Making Sound type is stupid because it’s already a category of moves. Making Sound type would be the same as making a Fist type or a Bullet type. That’s what makes it second worst fanmade type imo. You don’t see people making Fist type, Bullet type, or Contact type because it would be stupid to have something that only makes sense on moves and not as a Pokemon type.
It’s a real shame since Sound gets so much attention while cooler ideas for types will get shafted. I’m a personal supporter of the Regal/Royalty type. Besides changing already dual type Pokemon, it checks off the boxes that most other Fanmade types don’t.
Do most potential Regal type Pokemon lose out on interesting types?
Most of them would keep having interesting types, while Slowking, Kingdra, Empoleon, and Calyrex could drop their Psychic/Dragon typings, or have regional forms. Nidoking/queen could do the same with Poison/Regal and Regal/Ground typings. Pokemon like Vespiquen could also have far more interesting type with Bug/Regal too.
Does Regal make sense on the type chart?
Yes. It has plenty of potential when it comes to offensive and defensive effectiveness. There are plenty of myths and real life history to come up with type interactions for Regal.
Does Regal encompass the right amount of things?
Sure does. Regal can be given to all the King and Queen Pokemon, which are surprisingly diverse with Nidos, Kingdra, Tyrantrum, Cofagrigus, and a lot more. It can also be considered for higher titles. Like Machamp being Fighting/Regal because it’s Champion, Wailord being Water/Regal because it’s massive and a lord, Regigigas can be pure Regal because it’s the Regi Master, and of course Serperior, a rich Noble type that is already the Regal Pokemon.
Can Regal be just another type?
Not really. It’s entirely its own category distinct from other types.
Does Regal have potential for future designs without being stale?
Hell yes. There are plenty of cool things to base Regal type Pokemon on. You have mythical kings like Jade Emperor, the Bull King, Dracula, Mt. Olympus Trio, King Cole regional form of Coalassol. You got animals like the Jumping Regal Spider, King Protea Flowers, King Cobras, Rat Kings, Monarch Butterflies, Queen of different hives, Queen Angelfish, Emperor Tamarins, and so much more.
But yeah, we should totally have a type as boring and uninspired as Sound over Regal.
This is why Democracy doesn’t work, but that’s a whole other post that would be way longer.
Reminder that 100% of special steel moves are light-based, while only 18% of special fairy moves are. I agree with your overall point (that light as its own type isn't conceptually necessary), but it doesn't map to just Fairy.Light is just Fairy.