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Pokemon Scarlet & Violet - 18th Nov 2022! **OFFICIAL INFO ONLY**
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I think it could also be Medicham, as a call back to Candice.
It's also worth noting that Sudowoodo is supposed to be an imitation Grass type already. This could be a less memey version of making Charizard a Dragon. Practically speaking there's also the angle that Sudowoodo with stuff like Rock Throw or Stone Edge in its natural moveset becomes a Grass Type with Coverage against the most common forms of offense an early-ish Player could have in Fire (Starter) or Bug Types, even outside thematic overlap.
I could maybe see him use a Winter Sawsbuck or Wyrdeer as his terastal mon. That said though, I'm not confident that their Terastal mon would be their ace, if only because idt they'd want a previously existing mon to be the ace of a new gym. Iirc the only time they did that was as far back as Gen 2. I kind of expect the teams to have one or two "regular" mons, one off-type terastal mon and then the ace.
Speaking of gyms though, I'm interested in the fact Sudowoodo used a new Grass move. Makes me think that Gyms might have new moves as TMs for when you beat them, which is something pretty neat to look foward to
One last thing to mention that I think is kinda cool, the paths all seem to have different battle styles
Gyms go for the battle format we're already used to;
Team Star has Auto Battles as a form of "First Phase" before you face off against the leader, which then does look like a more usual Pokémon battle but with Lightning McQueen over here affecting the battle somehow;
And while not explicitly confirmed, the Titans (who, for what its worth, actually share their title with Totems from Gen 7) also seem to have a different battle style. The way the UI and mons are positioned here reminds me somewhat of the Raids in SwSh,and we do know there are Tera Raids as a new battle style, so that's another way it could stand out from other battles.
It just makes the split paths a lot more interesting since you'll actively be doing different things instead of just fighting different bosses in the same format. Very excited to see how these turn out.
The Sudowoodo was also shown using a new Grass move called Trailblaze
Rock also hits flying, and there's standardly a bird available early and often as well.
Since its revealed move is SE vs grass, it does seem deliberately set up to have coverage against starters.
One is official news confirmed, meaning there won't be misinfo getting spread around (except through misunderstandings of wordings) while leaks are not confirmed and can be wrong, leading to misinfo. So there is a difference. Also there are people who come here and aren't interested in being spoiled by leaks. You ought to respect that. There are places you can go to discuss leaks from Khu/Kaka (who you forgot to mention for some reason)
Anyways getting off that topic, seeing Teddiursa confirmed officially is great because it makes it highly likely Ursaluna will be around to play with. How exciting. As far as staples, we're just waiting on Gliscor to be confirmed for SV I think. That's the only one not yet revealed to return. Hopefully it does.
Armarouge and Ceruledge have a lot of MegaMan vibes, particularly battle network Navi design vibes. Kinda like it. Their signature moves sound great too honestly. A fire close combat clone that is special is something I hope gets wider distribution. Something pokemon can use that isn't fire blast or overheat. And Bitter Edge sounds like fun.
Also crab. Yes. Give.
Something else to kind of ponder upon-
Mela is directly stated to be a Fire specialist. I'd assume each Team Star leader has a different Type focus, in which case, I counted 5 of their flags on the map. That would leave us with 8 Types covered by Gyms, 4 Types covered by the Elite 4 and 5 Types covered by Team Star, giving us a total of 17 type specialists. Makes me kind of wonder if Greeta would also focus on one type, rounding of a specialist for each type.
Mela is directly stated to be a Fire specialist. I'd assume each Team Star leader has a different Type focus, in which case, I counted 5 of their flags on the map. That would leave us with 8 Types covered by Gyms, 4 Types covered by the Elite 4 and 5 Types covered by Team Star, giving us a total of 17 type specialists. Makes me kind of wonder if Greeta would also focus on one type, rounding of a specialist for each type.
I get strong Psychic specialist from Geeta design.
I'm curious if whoever designed Armarouge and Ceruledge also designed Marshadow. They have a few shared motifs:
Notably, the fire eyes appear in Marshadow's zenith form, and the... helmet fluff thing. Armarouge's legs also look a bit like Marshadow's (as do Ceruledge's upper thighs, but those boots obscure them). If they were designed by the same artist, hopefully the artist gets revealed -- as far as I know, Marshadow's designer isn't known yet.
Speaking of design motifs, Ceruledge's boots look a lot like Mela's, I would guess she also has one on her team:
She could both, I guess, or even version exclusive teams, but the design motif does skew a bit more toward Ceruledge than Armarouge. Or maybe someone on the art team just really got into this style of boot during development...
Notably, the fire eyes appear in Marshadow's zenith form, and the... helmet fluff thing. Armarouge's legs also look a bit like Marshadow's (as do Ceruledge's upper thighs, but those boots obscure them). If they were designed by the same artist, hopefully the artist gets revealed -- as far as I know, Marshadow's designer isn't known yet.
Speaking of design motifs, Ceruledge's boots look a lot like Mela's, I would guess she also has one on her team:
She could both, I guess, or even version exclusive teams, but the design motif does skew a bit more toward Ceruledge than Armarouge. Or maybe someone on the art team just really got into this style of boot during development...
Tbh the fire armor duo are 99% likely to be Hitoshi Ariga designs. Everybody and their mothers have noticed the Megaman character parallels, now guess who was an incredibly prolific artist on that series before working on Pokemon
without checking i'm going to assume that the bulk of discussion since the trailer has been about ceruledge and the engine
a fast physically inclined fire/ghost with a decent shot at fighting coverage (cough ttar cough) has to be one of the best mons we'll get this gen
big ??? for me is the move distribution
will it get sacred sword? will GF do as they've been avoiding and finally give a fast physical attacker poltergeist? we'll see
it's definitely not getting CC, lol
a fast physically inclined fire/ghost with a decent shot at fighting coverage (cough ttar cough) has to be one of the best mons we'll get this gen
big ??? for me is the move distribution
will it get sacred sword? will GF do as they've been avoiding and finally give a fast physical attacker poltergeist? we'll see
it's definitely not getting CC, lol
I dunno, probably depends on if it's a TR again. A lot of things got Close Combat
Like Aegislash!
I know, but Aegislash while still great is also slow and had gotten a major nerf. Your point stands though. Still, I'll need to it see to believe they'd break the trend and give good Fighting coverage (e.g. not F-Miss) to a fast ghost.
If this thing is even just 110/110 with Sacred Sword and SD that's very good to say the least.
It will at least get a ghost-type Drain Punch but Poltergeist would be obviously better.
I wouldn’t be so sure until we see the actual stats and movepool. It could get Flare Blitz+Poltergeist or have only its signature move+Shadow Claw, which makes for a pretty large difference in viability. Also its speed could really be anything so long as its faster than Armarouge.
I’d make a ‘’’joke’’’/prediction that Ice is gonna be given the shaft again... except Ice is legit the first type with a specialist that we’ve seen.
Their signatures supposed to be Fire, I think.
This is kind of my point. Precedent with almost every competitively designed Ghost since Aegislash shows that there seems to be some balancing mechanism when GF designs their movepools. Just based on what was done with Mimi, Pult, Blace, Spec I think the most likely outcome if it were to have a good offensive spread is that the moves get borked.
Beyond that I'm just going off the designs and the information we've been given. That's always been a reliable way to tell what a mon will be ahead of time, like Vikavolt being extremely fast. (sarcasm)
from a game that wants you to theoretically explore at your own pace, it makes sense to have. If you dont want to deal with a lot of battles you ca nsend your little dude off to fight something so it doesnt bug you or so you can still get some exp or whatever.
meanwhile the star versions of the auto battles seem basically like that extended to a minigame since it seems you can have multiple pokemon out at once and are going up against waves and waves of pokemon
Its signature move is actually Fire-Type, not Ghost-type. Its still a nice option to have since taking recoil from Flare Blitz can be annoying for most other Physical Fire-Types. Though I am hoping Ceruledge's bulk is at least middling so it could take advantage of the extra longevity in a pinch, but we'll have to wait and see.
I think its speed would need to be really high to make it a top tier Pokemon. Even if it had the same offensive statline as, say, Scyther, that wouldn't be enough since Weavile, Dragapult, Tornadus, etc. are all faster and can always threaten it with a Super Effective attack. It might be able to bypass some of these with Shadow Sneak (which seems like a safe bet for a move it will get), but then it wouldn't have a stronger Ghost STAB or Fighting coverage (or Fire Coverage if you are willing to sacrifice that). Then again, some of these Pokemon might not even be in the meta so we will need to wait and see.
Still, even if this Pokemon isn't a consistent or good, I think it will be fun to use. Despite having several Ghost/Fire types, we actually don't have a fast physical attacking one (assuming that this Pokemon is actually fast and not another Vikavolt / Rolycoly) which is definitely unique among the current line-up. If nothing else, Swords Dance + Draining move will make it a very nice and convenient Pokemon to use in a normal playthrough since it can beat most route trainers while also staying topped off, as my experience using Gallade has taught me.
While this is technically true the leaks have been proven right multiple times with each official news from Nintendo just confirming more and more of the leakers credibility.
Credible leaks and data mines have been talked about here in the past so I'm not sure why suddenly it's out of bounds. If the issue is spoilers just... add spoiler tags lol.
It seems nuts to me to go out of one's way to visit a discussion thread on a fan site for longtime tryhards and demand that everyone else not discuss leaks when the whole point of this kind of thread is speculation.
The trailers are effectively the game being leaked to you anyway and this thing is going to be datamined any week now assuming the leakers aren't really just GameFreak employees. Story leaks I get but shutting down speculation about P*r**** mons and leaked abilities just reeks to me like no one else can have nice things. These are Pokemon games, lol:
It's not speculative fiction. If you are here you've already chosen not to go into the game blind.
I've been here since Shoddy Battle when people were screaming over Garchomp months before DP came out. This kind of thinking is reflective of tendencies that have grown worse here as the community has gotten larger and the age gap between older users and newer ones grows.
Just my .02.
The trailers are effectively the game being leaked to you anyway and this thing is going to be datamined any week now assuming the leakers aren't really just GameFreak employees. Story leaks I get but shutting down speculation about P*r**** mons and leaked abilities just reeks to me like no one else can have nice things. These are Pokemon games, lol:
You'll catch 6 mons, beat a bunch of trainers, catch a legendary dragon to either save or prevent it from the destroying the region and then you'll become Champion.
I've been here since Shoddy Battle when people were screaming over Garchomp months before DP came out. This kind of thinking is reflective of tendencies that have grown worse here as the community has gotten larger and the age gap between older users and newer ones grows.
Just my .02.
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There was literally a thread dedicated to leaks and datamines for SM, and one for the Sw/Sh datamines. When did this "no discussion of leaks allowed" rule become a thing? Can we have a separate thread for it, at least? This is a site dedicated to competitive play, and the credible leaks do seem competitively relevant.
No. Just... No. A leak is an intentional disclosure of something secret or private. A trailer from the develope is not a leak. It's news.
Shutting down discussion about an unconfirmed feature is not at all "no one else can have nice things". Leaks are just that: unconfirmed. And I said it already but not everyone is interested in leaks or wants to be spoiled early.
There are places that happily let you discuss leaks and rumors. You're more than welcome to go there. I don't see why a forum simply enforcing their rules is enough to make some people act like it's some big deal.
Maybe? But that doesn't make them less unconfirmed. You can have the most reliable leaker and still not be 100% trustworthy. And unless it's from the mouth of the developers themselves, it's better not to take it as set in stone fact.