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Oh dear god... At some point the only appropriate response really becomes "lurk more", and I think we're just about at that point...
Arkm said:
No it's not. It is 8th based on usage rate.

https://www.porydex.com/stats/current
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Usage stats =/= viability, and saying it's 8th in the entire tier instead of top 3 is not nearly as solid an argument in favor of giving it a blanket 30% power boost as you seem to think.
Arkm said:
-1 252 Atk Choice Band Tough Claws Weavile Triple Axel (40 BP) (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Incineroar: 132-156 (33.5 - 39.5%) -- approx. 3HKO
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No recovery, hates getting knocked.

Arkm said:
252 Atk Choice Band Tough Claws Weavile Triple Axel (40 BP) (3 hits) vs. 80 HP / 0 Def Cobalion: 144-171 (41.9 - 49.8%) -- approx. 3HKO
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No recovery, cares about knock slightly less but still doesn't appreciate losing leftovers.

Arkm said:
252 Atk Choice Band Tough Claws Weavile Triple Axel (40 BP) (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 48 Def Tapu Fini: 153-180 (44.4 - 52.3%) -- approx. 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
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No recovery, hates getting knocked.

Arkm said:
Also Pex
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The closest thing to a reliable check on this entire list and it does literally nothing back except pray for a Scald burn.


Every single last thing you've named either has no recovery and gets fucked by chip (which is a problem when you're switching into the strongest Knock Off user in the tier) or just isn't a check at all outside of a 1v1 scenario that only ever happens on paper.
 
Divine Retribution said:
Oh dear god... At some point the only appropriate response really becomes "lurk more", and I think we're just about at that point...

Usage stats =/= viability, and saying it's 8th in the entire tier instead of top 3 is not nearly as solid an argument in favor of giving it a blanket 30% power boost as you seem to think.
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Viability wise it is not top 10. Not even top 20 tbh. I'm actually surprised it is even in OU. Not for long tho. The next gen power creep would probably push it to RU unless it is not buffed
 
I think that Spore, Nuzzle, Parting Shot, Tombstoner, and Barrage need to be universal TMs to REALLY shake up the metagame. Also Focus Punch needs a special counterpart called Focus Thunk.

As a serious post for this thread, I think that going forward, that having a large chunk of new Pokemon use pre-existing type combos isn't that big of a deal, even if there is a decent bit of Pokemon with those combos already. With how few unused combos are left(most of them Normal type pairs), it'll be increasingly hard to avoid unless they keep adding new types soley for the purpose of new type combos.

There are already multiple types that have had every possible combo so for fans of those types re-used typings are all they will be getting for a while.
 
Arkm said:
[Ice and Water stalls]And what's wrong with that?
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Because a basic principle of good game design is you want to promote mechanics that reach an end game and less mechanics that do the opposite. That doesn't mean Stalls and Walls can't exist, but too much of that leads to sluggish gameplay. And I'm sure there are sadists that love their endless battle exploits and 300+ turn matches, but they are in the minority. Not that Ice resisting Water alone would lead to stalls, but it's a needless step in that direction in my opinion.
 
Nokocchi said:
I think that Spore, Nuzzle, Parting Shot, Tombstoner, and Barrage need to be universal TMs to REALLY shake up the metagame. Also Focus Punch needs a special counterpart called Focus Thunk.
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God, please, Spore and Nuzzle as TMs is going to be crazy in a post-Smeargle metagame. Both are great support moves that are balanced by limited availability.
Incineroar is already crazy without Parting Shot, this is a great pivot move.
Tombstoner and Barrage are some of the most broken damage-dealing moves in the games, I do not want a wider distribution to other Pokémon, and this is coming from a Tombstoner enjoyer.
 
KalosianPorygon said:
Coronis asked for more non-competitive unpopular opinions, so, um...

Diglett's design is overhated. I know it is incredibly simple, but a Whac-A-Mole mole with mysterious appendages is a great concept.

Ditto is another incredibly simple design I like, also the concept of a Ditto that can turn into items or even a human is awesome, and not just for you-know-what.
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If you show a Diglett obtained from the Gen I VC games to the director at the Game Freak headquarters in Pokemon Sun and Moon, they mention that it was a character they originally drew as a small child, which would explain its simplicity
 
Nokocchi said:
If you show a Diglett obtained from the Gen I VC games to the director at the Game Freak headquarters in Pokemon Sun and Moon, they mention that it was a character they originally drew as a small child, which would explain its simplicity
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Wow really? Thats awesome. Do they have any other unique phrases for other VC mons?
 
Coronis said:
Wow really? Thats awesome. Do they have any other unique phrases for other VC mons?
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:mankey:
You know Mankey, right? I'm actually the one who came up with it! The boss told me to make a Pokémon with a bit of this and a bit of that, and that's what I drew! I'm pretty fond of it myself!

:exeggutor:
We had a poll in the company once a long time ago to see which Pokémon was most popular... and back then the winner was Exeggutor!

:tauros:
Tauros used to be real strong, huh? I was the one who thought up that one. But Blizzard was a bit too strong, eh?

:diglett:
You know Diglett, right? It's actually basically just a character that I had made up when I was a little kid. I even drew up a flip-book featuring it then!

:mew:
You know Mew, right? I made it. Everything about it. The pixel art, its cry, its Pokédex entry, everything. I just barely finished in time, too! It was right at the very end of the game's development!

Two more in USUM:

:shuckle:
You know Shuckle, right? I was the one who thought it up. Bet you were surprised to find out that giving a Shuckle a Berry to hold in Pokémon Gold and Silver would turn it into a Berry Juice after battling!

:piloswine:
You know Piloswine? I designed that Pokémon. I felt like I had to get all 12 animals in the Chinese zodiac together, you know?
 
DrPumpkinz said:
:piloswine:
You know Piloswine? I designed that Pokémon. I felt like I had to get all 12 animals in the Chinese zodiac together, you know?
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Huh, which 12? Is he talking Gen II alone had all 12 or both gens combined?
My best guesses, Gen 2 option listed first. Picking a specific member of an evo family probably means I find that mon easiest to spell. A ? after the mon indicates it was a stretch.
Pig: Piloswine
Rat: Cyndaquil?(there's a bunch of generic small animals, but most of them aren't rats. It's this or Pichu) / Raticate
Ox: Miltank / Tauros
Tiger: Raikou / Persian?
Hare: Azumarill /
Dragon: Tyranitar / Charizard
Snake: Steelix? / Arbok
Horse: Girafarig? / Rapidash
Ram: Mareep /
Monkey: Aipom / Mankey
Rooster: Ho-Oh?
Dog: Snubbull / Growlithe

I may have forgotten an option. So if he's talking about both gens, there's something for every slot. Just gen 2, there's a lot of stretches. But even with both gens, there's a few in there people have debated over what species they actually are for a while. Rooster specifically concerns me.

This is actually interesting for the unending "Fire Starters = Chinese Zodiac" debate. Because there's definitely a couple in there that are as much a stretch as Fenniken=Dog, but some are pretty clear. I also would have put a big question mark next to Piloswine if we didn't have the Word of God here, I always considered that much more of a mammoth than a pig.
 
Hugin said:
I always considered that much more of a mammoth than a pig.
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For the Japanese version of the Chinese Zodiac(Yes, there are some slight differences), the Pig is often depicted as a Boar, which is why Piloswine has tusks. Not to mention it has a Pig nose instead of a trunk and the fact that it has pig/boar-like feet . Mammoths were completely unrelated to the line's concept until Mamoswine came out in Gen IV, though it still has the pig nose instead of a trunk, it's feet and tusks are very mammoth-like unlike its preevolution.
 
Piloswine is called Inomuu in Japanese. Inoshishi means boar, so Piloswine has always been a boar.
Hugin said:
Rat: Cyndaquil?
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Cyndaquil is called "hinoarashi" in Japanese, which is close to "fire porcupine". Porcupine are rodents and thus related to rats. It's categorized as "hinezumi" in Japanese, or "Fire rat". For those that think Cyndaquil is a hedgehog, well in Japanese hedgehogs are called "harinezumi", or needle rats, so it could still qualify. Now if you think Cyndaquil is an echidna, then it's even more interesting as echidnas are called "harimogura", or "needle mole", but also "needle earth dragon". So if you don't think Cyndaquil's a rat, well, maybe it's a dragon.
 
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shinquickman said:
Because a basic principle of good game design is you want to promote mechanics that reach an end game and less mechanics that do the opposite.
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So let's ban all recovery moves. Also ban steel types.

Giving one more resistance to ice does in no way promote endless battles.

U r strawmanning here.

shinquickman said:
That doesn't mean Stalls and Walls can't exist, but too much of that leads to sluggish gameplay. And I'm sure there are sadists that love their endless battle exploits and 300+ turn matches, but they are in the minority. Not that Ice resisting Water alone would lead to stalls, but it's a needless step in that direction in my opinion.
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Just say u like hyper offense and doesn't have the attention span to admire defensive strategy.
 
Count Bleck said:
Not sure if it counts if its not my own opinion, but apparently TPC considers Nuzlocke runs pretty much thr ssme as Romhacks, acclrding to this:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1571446537531625472
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I guess from an optics perspective they don’t want to officially use the concept of “Never use a mon again once it’s defeated” which goes against all the ideas of bonds they use in the anime and such

Which would explain why they didn’t want to stream it but considering it on the same level of hacking seems very extreme
 
XenonHero126 said:
I guess from an optics perspective they don’t want to officially use the concept of “Never use a mon again once it’s defeated” which goes against all the ideas of bonds they use in the anime and such

Which would explain why they didn’t want to stream it but considering it on the same level of hacking seems very extreme
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Tbh it is kinda weird considering one of their main responses to "why not difficulty levels" is that you're free to create your own challenges.

I wouldn't be surprised if they also were thinking of nuzlockes for the ones considering randomizers, aka actual romhacks, and didn't think people run nuzlockes on their main cart.
Which... I could believe, since after all the Pokemon games for obvious reasons have a single save only, and I doubt they think anyone sane in their mind would reset their pokemon save.
 
XenonHero126 said:
I guess from an optics perspective they don’t want to officially use the concept of “Never use a mon again once it’s defeated” which goes against all the ideas of bonds they use in the anime and such

Which would explain why they didn’t want to stream it but considering it on the same level of hacking seems very extreme
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If you had told me that TPC was against the idea of streaming Nuzlockes without explaining the reason why, I would have guessed that maybe the company’s legal department was trepidatious about using the term “Nuzlocke,” for which there could perhaps be some concerns about copyright infringement. (And even if there were nothing legally problematic about using it, I could still see this being a case of a company wanting to err on the side of caution.) Which, okay, understandable.

But “we think of them on the same level of ROM hacks”? That feels the people at TPC don’t even really understand what a Nuzlocke is, and assume it must involve modding the game or something.
 
Esserise said:
If you had told me that TPC was against the idea of streaming Nuzlockes without explaining the reason why, I would have guessed that maybe the company’s legal department was trepidatious about using the term “Nuzlocke,” for which there could perhaps be some concerns about copyright infringement. (And even if there were nothing legally problematic about using it, I could still see this being a case of a company wanting to err on the side of caution.) Which, okay, understandable.
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I mean, they could easily officially call it something else, like “Trainer Challenge”

Either they take issues with the core ideas of nuzlockes or there was some miscommunication, Idk this is baffling
 
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