SPOILERS! Scarlet & Violet Leaks Thread - Data/Mechanics

Not so hot take: Bisharp getting an evolution is meh, as it was already quite good and had high stats. Stuff like, I dunno, Swoobat, would have worked better.

Same with Ursaluna, really. Ursaring may not be a great Pokemon, but it is still something with a stat total of 500, and a stat spread quite similar to Machamp's. Megas were an elegant solution for those, and having both Megas and crossgen evos around for different things would be the optimal approach IMO.
A difference is that Ursaluna is took a different direction by adding the Ground-type and is a lot more specialized than Ursaring, wheras the latter‘s only good trait is a high Attack, even back in Gen 2, which Snorlax outdo it in almost every way except Attack anyways. Bisharp, on the other hand, is already quite good as you said, so the new evo might need a different approach like having different Abilities.

Ursaring and Bisharp are not even comparable in terms of how well they do in their debut and how well they are going today. Plus BST alone shouldn’t dictate what gains an evolution and what not, though I definitely won’t give an evo for something with a BST of 520 or higher.

Mega Evolution is already deconfirmed, and it’s only a matter of time if GF is willing to give it another chance, but I’m not confident due to the damage Mega Evolution had caused back then.
 
Not quite sure how devastating the 1-PP move Pawmi3 gets according to these leaks that revives allies will be in Gen 9 Pure Hackmons, even if we assume it only revives one ally, it does not self-KO, it revives them with full HP, and it is not locked to Pawmi3. On the one hand, reviving mons looks pretty broken on paper. On the other hand, if the meta turns more hyper-offence than the Quiver Dance-happy BDSP PH (think more like the rare SwSh PH without Eternamax theorymonning and tours), there's a good chance that the revive-ally move user gets OHKOd or slept/Taunted and 2HKOd while underspeeding the sweeper. (I guess Comatose with Focus Sash or Endure-Custap Berry has the best odds of surviving to revive allies.)

The sheer power trip that these people get on over leaking a video game has to be one of the strangest phenomena ever to me, but then again, here we are talking about them and the stuff they're leaking, so I guess I can't comment.
I honestly think Magic: The Gathering leakers get a similar power trip from leaking essentially less than 1% of a set (e.g. 1-3 cards). Compound that with at least one convincing fake MTG "leak" card recently and such trips must be hella desirable.
 
Honestly wonder if half the reason Paradoxes are just "new" pokemon instead of a form change, aside from not wanting two of those in the same generation, is because it means they can just be brought back without a mechanic shackling them.
It could be the opposite.

Oops, no time travel shenanigans next game, no paradoxes. They sound like the easiest cuts ever imo.

In a way, Regional forms are on the same boat, but the whole crew makes it in whenever one makes it one way or another. They probably got the code for those in-game trades on speed dial.


Wayyyy too early for that, but it should be funny to see what happens either way. :psysly:
 
It could be the opposite.
Oops, no time travel shenanigans next game, no paradoxes. They sound like the easiest cuts ever imo.
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Easiest returns too. "Woah, portals started showing up during the second half of the generation, just in time for the VGC legendary format."
 
Personally I took his comments in a different way based on this post by soulsilverart and I'll link the relevant images/tweets here.
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Specifically he points out that the nobles will get buffs from their "leaders", which has been said to be the box legendaries among the classes of paradoxes. This may be related to how "some of the new concept mons share a new mutual ability" and maybe involves an interaction with the box legendary abilities.

For context, randomly saying "Drought Electric Surge" is what some people think is a hint to the box legend abilities setting something on top of his recent tweet relating them to Groudon and Kyogre, and Khu has said he has told the box legend abilities 5 days after that post. Speaking of which, based on Kaka's hints, their Japanese names are along the lines of "Scarlet Beat" and "Halogen Engine".

Also on the power of paradoxes, he called them "very powerful in battles" and "op mons".

Yeah, it's not clear whether Khu's comments apply to BST. I interpreted "civilians better accept the fact that they got nothing but a new look" to be potentially suggestive that they might not all have op BSTs. Khu seemed to mostly focus on future volc and gallevoir when he talked about specific paradoxes, and so it sounds like they at least are powerful, but I would certainly be happy if all paradoxes have sub-legendary level BST, especially the paradoxes based on NFE mons.
 
It could be the opposite.

Oops, no time travel shenanigans next game, no paradoxes. They sound like the easiest cuts ever imo.

In a way, Regional forms are on the same boat, but the whole crew makes it in whenever one makes it one way or another. They probably got the code for those in-game trades on speed dial.

If they're treated like legendarys they get to be back every single generation
forever
whether you want them or not :gun:

Wayyyy too early for that, but it should be funny to see what happens either way. :psysly:
blaines is notoriously "just makes shit up" from my understanding
 
I think Paradox Pokemon will not be at full power and ''Nobles'' need their leaders ability to go up to full strength which is a way to balance them. As Electric Terrain and Drought only last for a short time.

And ''Commoners'' are an exception to this rule. Meaning they get no buffs from the leaders.
 
It could be the opposite.

Oops, no time travel shenanigans next game, no paradoxes. They sound like the easiest cuts ever imo.

In a way, Regional forms are on the same boat, but the whole crew makes it in whenever one makes it one way or another. They probably got the code for those in-game trades on speed dial.


Wayyyy too early for that, but it should be funny to see what happens either way. :psysly:

Also ''No Time Travel Shenanigans'' they are made from Imagination with a time travel theme.
 
Not quite sure how devastating the 1-PP move Pawmi3 gets according to these leaks that revives allies will be in Gen 9 Pure Hackmons, even if we assume it only revives one ally, it does not self-KO, it revives them with full HP, and it is not locked to Pawmi3. On the one hand, reviving mons looks pretty broken on paper. On the other hand, if the meta turns more hyper-offence than the Quiver Dance-happy BDSP PH (think more like the rare SwSh PH without Eternamax theorymonning and tours), there's a good chance that the revive-ally move user gets OHKOd or slept/Taunted and 2HKOd while underspeeding the sweeper. (I guess Comatose with Focus Sash or Endure-Custap Berry has the best odds of surviving to revive allies.)

I honestly think Magic: The Gathering leakers get a similar power trip from leaking essentially less than 1% of a set (e.g. 1-3 cards). Compound that with at least one convincing fake MTG "leak" card recently and such trips must be hella desirable.
I'm curious as to how that would work because there's no way it is "free revive". Odds are it'll do something like "KO's the user, the revived Pokemon has 25% health/the same HP % as the user had when it used the move" as a balancing thing.

Also: other than the whole Godbook incident (tl;dr: A file containing images of every magic card in a set got leaked by the friend of a top player who got access to it, iirc via a media contact, before that set's Preview season started) none of the MTG leakers ever really struck me as people seeking power trips.
 
I'm curious as to how that would work because there's no way it is "free revive". Odds are it'll do something like "KO's the user, the revived Pokemon has 25% health/the same HP % as the user had when it used the move" as a balancing thing.
If it worked like the way you describe it'd be worse than Healing Wish. I imagine the "balancing" would be on the fact it's a 1 PP move trapped on Pawmi3, a pokemon that will probably be "okay"
 
I'm curious as to how that would work because there's no way it is "free revive". Odds are it'll do something like "KO's the user, the revived Pokemon has 25% health/the same HP % as the user had when it used the move" as a balancing thing.
Self-KOing moves invariably have more than 1 PP (e.g. Lunar Dance, Misty Explosion, Final Gambit, Memento) despite the user (dang near) always KOing themselves immediately after using them. This looks like a 1-PP move you cannot raise the max. PP of Crystal-Free Z-Moves style to me. It is because this move has only 1 PP that I believe it does not self-KO. But hey, it could revive them with half their max. HP! (Think Life Shrooms in the Paper Mario series only reviving you with 10 HP, except that Paper Mario item is automatically used and does not incur tempo loss, while Pawmi3/etc. has to bust a turn using the 1-PP move.) It could also cut half of the user's max. HP.

Also ''No Time Travel Shenanigans'' they are made from Imagination with a time travel theme.
I'm starting to suspect that the 3rd legendary is a demiurge/creator who spurred every Paradox into existence, probably including the box legendaries.

Anyone else think the background dressmon Serebii.net has a snapshot of is past-Paradox-Mismagius/Misdreavus or possibly in the Poison/Rock flower line?
 
Self-KOing moves invariably have more than 1 PP (e.g. Lunar Dance, Misty Explosion, Final Gambit, Memento) despite the user (dang near) always KOing themselves immediately after using them. This looks like a 1-PP move you cannot raise the max. PP of Crystal-Free Z-Moves style to me. It is because this move has only 1 PP that I believe it does not self-KO. But hey, it could revive them with half their max. HP! (Think Life Shrooms in the Paper Mario series only reviving you with 10 HP, except that Paper Mario item is automatically used and does not incur tempo loss, while Pawmi3/etc. has to bust a turn using the 1-PP move.) It could also cut half of the user's max. HP.


I'm starting to suspect that the 3rd legendary is a demiurge/creator who spurred every Paradox into existence, probably including the box legendaries.

Anyone else think the background dressmon Serebii.net has a snapshot of is past-Paradox-Mismagius/Misdreavus or possibly in the Poison/Rock flower line?

No the background dressmon is ''Coin Mon''
The Third Legendary is tera related not Paradox related
 
Switch games reliably leak early but "early" is usually less than two weeks before release. Games breaking street date a month before release is extremely rare, because they usually aren't even shipping physical copies at that point. These people are lying for attention (which they always do, and unfortunately it always works)

Re: paradox BSTs, I interpreted Khu's statement to mean that the pseudos won't see any BST increase but the weaker mons will. But that might be wrong

I'm very curious to see how Bisharp evolves. I personally like that it has an evolution because I don't love its design as much as Pawniard's, and they did a great job turning Ursaring into a big silly bear with Ursaluna. But Pawniard already evolves at lv 52, so it's absurd to stack another evolution on top of that. If there's any time to retcon evolution levels (like they did for the starters in Legends), it's now
 
Switch games reliably leak early but "early" is usually less than two weeks before release. Games breaking street date a month before release is extremely rare, because they usually aren't even shipping physical copies at that point. These people are lying for attention (which they always do, and unfortunately it always works)

Re: paradox BSTs, I interpreted Khu's statement to mean that the pseudos won't see any BST increase but the weaker mons will. But that might be wrong

I'm very curious to see how Bisharp evolves. I personally like that it has an evolution because I don't love its design as much as Pawniard's, and they did a great job turning Ursaring into a big silly bear with Ursaluna. But Pawniard already evolves at lv 52, so it's absurd to stack another evolution on top of that. If there's any time to retcon evolution levels (like they did for the starters in Legends), it's now

I'm going to presume through killing things since its a Samurai
 
A difference is that Ursaluna is took a different direction by adding the Ground-type and is a lot more specialized than Ursaring, wheras the latter‘s only good trait is a high Attack, even back in Gen 2, which Snorlax outdo it in almost every way except Attack anyways. Bisharp, on the other hand, is already quite good as you said, so the new evo might need a different approach like having different Abilities.

Ursaring and Bisharp are not even comparable in terms of how well they do in their debut and how well they are going today. Plus BST alone shouldn’t dictate what gains an evolution and what not, though I definitely won’t give an evo for something with a BST of 520 or higher.

Mega Evolution is already deconfirmed, and it’s only a matter of time if GF is willing to give it another chance, but I’m not confident due to the damage Mega Evolution had caused back then.

Plenty of Megas are already highly specialized and bring a new type. Take a look at Mega Pinsir, a Mega of a 500 BST 'mon that pretty much reinvented and hyperspecialized itself.

Then again, I've been grumbling about evolutions of stuff with high enough stats since DP. Masquerain got a stat boost in gen VII comparatively greater than Rhydon gets upon evolving. Stuff like Rhydon or Ursaring never felt like Golbat or Seadra, and, while I understand where you are coming from, I disagree, so, agreeing to disagree, and have a nice day. :)
 
I'm talking about the mon https://www.serebii.net/scarletviolet/pokemon.shtml has a screenshot of with the details "This Pokémon was first shown in the October 2022 trailer as something moving in the background of a photo aspect". Its dress looks a lot like Gardevoir's, but its eyes look quite a lot more like Misdreavus's.
Yeah that's the same one he's talking about. Khu (I think, maybe Kaka) confirmed it was the "Coin" mon.
 
I have to say, I’m pretty excited that my favorite pokemon is getting not one, but two paradox forms.

Which two are those?
Been waiting for proto Salamence reveal to the point where it's been added to my trade thread wishlist, so being able to vent my frustration discuss with others is a relief.

Also Gallade was not at all what I expected the first Fairy/Fighting to be, but it looks awesome.

Do we have typings for all of the Paradox forms yet?
 
Not quite sure how devastating the 1-PP move Pawmi3 gets according to these leaks that revives allies will be in Gen 9 Pure Hackmons, even if we assume it only revives one ally, it does not self-KO, it revives them with full HP, and it is not locked to Pawmi3. On the one hand, reviving mons looks pretty broken on paper. On the other hand, if the meta turns more hyper-offence than the Quiver Dance-happy BDSP PH (think more like the rare SwSh PH without Eternamax theorymonning and tours), there's a good chance that the revive-ally move user gets OHKOd or slept/Taunted and 2HKOd while underspeeding the sweeper. (I guess Comatose with Focus Sash or Endure-Custap Berry has the best odds of surviving to revive allies.)

I honestly think Magic: The Gathering leakers get a similar power trip from leaking essentially less than 1% of a set (e.g. 1-3 cards). Compound that with at least one convincing fake MTG "leak" card recently and such trips must be hella desirable.
In restricted formats like VGC, it will be OP, but will likely be fine in regular formats. In VGC where you can only use 2 restricteds, you can use Pawmi3 (or even also Pawmi2) with the revive move so that you can effectively have 2 Zacian-C on your team with an extra Restricted. You can have first Zacian-C recklessly rampage against the opposing team and then revive it for the sweep.

This move might also screw around the Species Clause, since you are running effectively an extra Pokemon.
 
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