SPOILERS! Scarlet & Violet Leaks Thread - Data/Mechanics

I'm gonna be wild and predict that Misty Surge goes to Lechonk

*double-checks this is the right thread* Grassy Surge Scodraig. (See artist's impression below.)
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Anyway, Misty Surge Lechonk could be incredibly funny, especially considering its evolution supposedly has male and female forms.
 
Well they clearly don’t do their job or they were implemented very late given Pokemon’s history, even past Gen 1. Even in Gen 8, there is a Pokemon that’s a monkey with an Afro.
The gorilla does not have an Afro, it has drummer dreads. You know, for the punk theme. There was absolutely zero controversy about this. And obviously it did not apply to gen 1. Because gen 1 was made by a group of friends. there was no committees back then, and Jynx is the main reason why this is.

A gorilla with a (predominately white) genre style of hair is not a controversy. That’s grasping, and pretty silly grasping at that.
 
The gorilla does not have an Afro, it has drummer dreads. You know, for the punk theme. There was absolutely zero controversy about this. And obviously it did not apply to gen 1. Because gen 1 was made by a group of friends. there was no committees back then, and Jynx is the main reason why this is.

A gorilla with a (predominately white) genre style of hair is not a controversy. That’s grasping, and pretty silly grasping at that.
I’m talking about Darmanitan-G, not Rillaboom
 
The gorilla does not have an Afro, it has drummer dreads. You know, for the punk theme. There was absolutely zero controversy about this. And obviously it did not apply to gen 1. Because gen 1 was made by a group of friends. there was no committees back then, and Jynx is the main reason why this is.

A gorilla with a (predominately white) genre style of hair is not a controversy. That’s grasping, and pretty silly grasping at that.
That's not an afro, that's bed hair. :rillaboom:
:bouffalant: on the other hand...
I think they were referring to Darm-G.

Also that’s not bed hair, that’s whatever hairstyle so many bands in the 80s adopted.
Ahem. Also, if you want a concrete example, I was think something along the lines of Guns N’ Roses or Twisted Sister as being the inspiration for Rillaboom’s hair.
 
I'm going to side with the crowd that expects old Pokemon to be buffed. Gogoat and Florges are pretty good guesses. But, looking at the dex, I think Wigglytuff and Sunflora are probably more deserving in my eyes.
more deserving? maybe, but I think the thing you're missing is that both sunflora and wigglytuff already have 3 abilities whereas gogoat and florges have room for one more ability, the only time they have ever replaced an ability on a pokemon was replacing levitate with cursed body on gengar for consistency reasons (gengar... doesn't float)
I am in the more pessimistic camp regarding buffs since almost nothing in Sword and Shield got stat buffs or new abilities iirc. Misty Terrain and Grassy Surge will probably be on new Pokemon.
less things got direct buffs in sword and shield but that seems to be more of an exception considering both gens 6 and 7 had numerous stat buffs to old pokemon, I understand the pessimism but a lack of many new pokemon that the surges with fit with makes me belive that it's going to be put on old ones
 
Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina are said to be transferrable via the leaked dex list. I am almost 100% certain this is due to two of them getting new forms in Legends: Arceus so they can be used in a more traditional title.

That is awesome, fingers crossed! While I was hoping the forms would be a bit more different from the regular forms, I like the designs. I'm hoping the signature moves differences between forms from LA is retained in some way.
 
Grass
- Oddish
- Bellsprout
- Exeggcute
- Cacnea
- Carnivine
- Foongus
- Ferroseed
- Skiddo (pls don’t make me run two Gogoat just to have fun with Grass Pelt)
- Fomantis
- Dhelmise

Fairy
- Floette
- Spritzee
- Swirlix
- Carbink (Incidentally, I wonder, if they ever gave Carbink a 2nd Ability, would they do the same for Diancie for flavor’s sake? IIRC it’d be the only Legendary/Mythical to have two regular Abilities, aside from Zygarde who’s kind of a special case)
- Klefki
- Milcery
Trimmed the list of all your "Definite no" for convenience. Looking at the remaining possibles: Cacnea, Carnivine, Foongus, Ferroseed, Dhelmise all seem...not grassy enough. If I'm giving Grassy Surge to something, it's not a mushroom or seaweed. They gave Exeggutor a new regional form very recently, I think they'll let that mon rest a bit before more changes. That leaves Oddish, Bellsprout, Skiddo, Fomantis.
...
Yeah, Skiddo seems obvious, though I could see some interesting options with, say, Grassy Surge Bellossom and putting something else potent on Vileplume.

For the Fairy list: Honestly, could be basically any of them, they're all very similar mons. Not Klefki, mostly because it's already pretty good, but the rest...stick their names on a dart board and it'll be as accurate as any guess I can make.

- Lileep (would presumably, though not necessarily, indicate a 2nd Ability for Anorith as well; although, I think it was confirmed by either Khu or Kaka that there were no Fossil mons in SV?)
Aww, I usually like fossil mons.


more deserving? maybe, but I think the thing you're missing is that both sunflora and wigglytuff already have 3 abilities whereas gogoat and florges have room for one more ability, the only time they have ever replaced an ability on a pokemon was replacing levitate with cursed body on gengar for consistency reasons (gengar... doesn't float)
Speed Boost on Scoliopede instead of Poison Point, and swapping the HAs on the Legendary Beasts+Zapdos.
 
Trimmed the list of all your "Definite no" for convenience. Looking at the remaining possibles: Cacnea, Carnivine, Foongus, Ferroseed, Dhelmise all seem...not grassy enough. If I'm giving Grassy Surge to something, it's not a mushroom or seaweed. They gave Exeggutor a new regional form very recently, I think they'll let that mon rest a bit before more changes. That leaves Oddish, Bellsprout, Skiddo, Fomantis.
...
Yeah, Skiddo seems obvious, though I could see some interesting options with, say, Grassy Surge Bellossom and putting something else potent on Vileplume.

For the Fairy list: Honestly, could be basically any of them, they're all very similar mons. Not Klefki, mostly because it's already pretty good, but the rest...stick their names on a dart board and it'll be as accurate as any guess I can make.

Aww, I usually like fossil mons.


Speed Boost on Scoliopede instead of Poison Point, and swapping the HAs on the Legendary Beasts+Zapdos.

It was Scoliopede's Gen V Hidden Ability, Quick Feet, that was replaced with Speed Boost, not Poison Point, one of its normal abilities. Outside of Scoliopede, all of the Pokemon you listed never actually allowed the players to get ahold of their old HA's without hacking. They were not made accessible until after they where changed.
 
If previous game leaks are anything to go by then yes. I remember stats and movesets for SM leaking well over a week before release.

That is to say it's possible but not a guarantee.
every pokemon game since gen 6 has leaked before release, I highly doubt this game will be any different, it's technically possible but I'd give it like a 95:5 in favor of it leaking at least a few days early
 
With GF/TPCI sueing people over a leaked game guide 3 years ago, I wouldn't doubt that people would be hesitant to leak stuff like that before release. We'll just have to see.
 
Cursed Body Gengar was almost certainly done to nerf it. Either way they've done it before, they could do it again. Unlikely perhaps, but very possible.
Would you deny me full power Misty Explosion Jigglypuff? :puff:
I highly doubt it was done to nerf it, base gengar was completely fine in vgc, if they wanted to nerf gengar they would've targeted it's mega instead, yes, they've done it before, but they've made a precedent of only changing abilities to fit the pokemon better, not explicitly as buffs or nerfs, speed boost fits the themes of the scolopede line a lot more than quick feet (especially whirlapede) and as I mentioned previously, gengar is straight up not levitating, I'm not trying to deny you the unholy abomination that is sunflora sweeping with grassy glide, I'm trying to be realistic, can you really say that the surge abilities fit either of those pokemon particularly well? or at the very least, better than the goat and the flower/ new mons?
 
gengar is straight up not levitating

It's not levitating in it's game model but it has been shown levitating many times in spinoffs and in the anime. I don't think you can use how it looks in game as a justification for why it lost Levitate.

By the same logic, Aegislash should have its ability change to Levitate bc it's levitating in game. Same for Spritzee and Inkay.

And a long the same lines, Ghastly shouldn't have access to Ice Punch since it doesn't have hands. Game Freak has a history of incongruous stuff like that.
 
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