I am honestly hoping its Greninja.So who do y’all think/want the new raid Pokémon to be ? I’m pretty sure the answer is greninja
I am honestly hoping its Greninja.So who do y’all think/want the new raid Pokémon to be ? I’m pretty sure the answer is greninja
The rain analogy is great. Pao is definitely a mon you beat in the same way, by keeping your offensive momentum up. Better to force progress against it rather than play it safe, because it’s pretty frail and if you don’t hit it, you will lose a mon to it sooner or later.I’ve been mostly posting sets about chien pao right now to encourage use before it’s eventual ban, lol, but here’s some tips on how to beat it:
• you only beat it by overpreparing (not a good idea), or gradually chipping it + heals, or with momentum, or an opponent misplay. This is in a similar vein to beating a high power rain team,
Tera dark chien pao is almost never a waste. It can survive both BP (press and punch), isn’t as affected by hazards, obviously has more power, etc.Small post but seeing some post againts Garganacl and Chien Pao ban, one thing that should never be mentioned is that "Well if you tera with it to beat counters, you wasted your tera"
Chien-Pao and Garganacl are by far the 2 best user of this mechanic, Tera Dark Chien Pao slicing through everything and Garganacl Defensive tera making it extremely difficult to beat. Theres almost zero downside to terastalizing these two pokemon, so if you can tera with these two, just do it.
Mons like Tera Dark Clodsire, Tera Valiant, Tera Kingambit, Tera Normal Dragonite have their massive downside like removal of key resistances
Yeah I totally agree with this, Tera Dark Chien Pao is a great option on any team because a full Dark type > Dark / Ice in terms of weaknesses and Stealth Rock entry damage. Also like you mentioned certain priority moves like Bullet Punch can be handled and you don't have 4x weakness to Fighting and Pao has solid physical bulk (80). What makes it borderline uber is definitely the additional power boost it can gain with Dark type tera, which is insane it breaks through almost everything that isn't resistant to dark.Tera dark chien pao is almost never a waste. It can survive both BP (press and punch), isn’t as affected by hazards, obviously has more power, etc.
Other Tera types might be “wasted”, for example Tera ice is a lot more dependent on pulling weight once it’s been used.
the only context a Tera is “wasted” is when there’s opportunity cost for something else, example your clear smog Tera water amongoos can’t check the opponent Volcarona anymore.
Correct, especially in regards to Chien Pao, which is fast and strong enough to warrant using Tera at any point if it's means invalidating a counter, that would definitely not be a waste.Small post but seeing some post againts Garganacl and Chien Pao ban, one thing that should never be mentioned is that "Well if you tera with it to beat counters, you wasted your tera"
For the most part there's almost zero downside to Teraing any pokemon, assuming you're doing it for the right reasons. It's just that compared to other offensive pokemon, those 'right reason' opportunties happen much more often Chien Pao. Any team with a pokemon that relives heavily on Tera for ubiqitous defensive reasons like Garg, Skeledirge etc, will for the most part benefit from teraing as soon as possible, because it's likely your defensive structure relies on them being able to switch in as that type. Garg wants to Tera quickly for the most part because rock is such an atrocious typing. Avalugg probably wants to do the same, but obviously Avalugg isn't close to being good. So this is all to say that pokemon with a high opportunity cost of not Teraing (and thus limiting your other team members) probably shouldn't be compared to something that Tera's quickly because crunch goes brr.Chien-Pao and Garganacl are by far the 2 best user of this mechanic, Tera Dark Chien Pao slicing through everything and Garganacl Defensive tera making it extremely difficult to beat. Theres almost zero downside to terastalizing these two pokemon, so if you can tera with these two, just do it.
Sure all of these have massive downsides if you use them like you would Chien Pao, but if you're teraing at the proper moments, any downsides are extremely negligible. I think Valiant is a somewhat good comparison to Chien Pao in terms what a mon that abuses STAB Tera looks like when it's really fucking good versus when it's broken. Choice Specs Tera Fairy Moonblast is pretty insane, but Valiant checks and counters are super splashable and have great overall viability outside of their ability to check it. Meanwhile, Chien Pao's best counterplay are down in UU and RU. I just really don't think the idea that Teraing to what may be a worse defensive typing is some huge opportunity cost, because most of the time that single free turn from Gholdengo, Kingambit, Dragonite etc. when their typing is changed allows players to gain huge leads or just simply end games.Mons like Tera Dark Clodsire, Tera Valiant, Tera Kingambit, Tera Normal Dragonite have their massive downside like removal of key resistances
i don't think dirge is as reliant on tera as garg. dirge has a bunch of weaknesses but it also has 7 resistances and 2 immunities naturally. fire's a better defensive type than people give it credit for. still a fantastic tera user, don't get me wrong, but i don't like to tera dirge if the opponent has something like scizor or iron moth in the back, whereas i'll tera garg right away 99% of the timeAny team with a pokemon that relives heavily on Tera for ubiqitous defensive reasons like Garg, Skeledirge etc, will for the most part benefit from teraing as soon as possible, because it's likely your defensive structure relies on them being able to switch in as that type.
i personally think avalugg still has a place somewhere in ou that we haven't found yet. even with garg directly outclassing it in a lot of aspects, it still has insane physical bulk and rapid spin. also, unlike a lot of other "b-but it might be good this gen" mons, it's got precedent—it's found niches in past gens even without the ability to discard its garbage typing, and i wouldn't be surprised if someone made it work this gen somehow. so while it's definitely not actually-in-ou material and i'm not gonna be going out on ladder with it, i feel like saying it isn't close to being good is writing it off a bit too soon and it might make its way into some low spot on the vr at some point in the future.Avalugg probably wants to do the same, but obviously Avalugg isn't close to being good.
aw hell yeah, give me slime shady the unrivaled pleaseEven though Greninja is much more likely as new event, I would like Alolan Muk, which certainly fits for poison theme:
-Bulky.
-Knock Off + Poison Touch.
-Only one weakness.
-Espathra check.
-Specs Pult check ( With Restalk).
-Gholdengo check
-No Gliscor in the meta ( main obstacle in SM outside of Band Ice Punch).
-Absorbs Toxic Spikes.
-Zone existists for Corvi.
-Can lure the counters (Pex and Garganacl) with Mean Look + Taunt + Covert Cloak sets. Can use the same set + Grass Tera vs Clodsire, Hippo and Dondozo.
-Cute.
-Does anti-drugs campaign by just existing.
Hopefully they do this type of events with regular Mons too, not just Starters. Alolan Muk is much more desirable for me to have in the meta than Greninja.
If the meta ever favors Slowking, Avalugg can use the snow boost to wall even super effective physical attacks and dish out heavy damage.i personally think avalugg still has a place somewhere in ou that we haven't found yet. even with garg directly outclassing it in a lot of aspects, it still has insane physical bulk and rapid spin. also, unlike a lot of other "b-but it might be good this gen" mons, it's got precedent—it's found niches in past gens even without the ability to discard its garbage typing, and i wouldn't be surprised if someone made it work this gen somehow. so while it's definitely not actually-in-ou material and i'm not gonna be going out on ladder with it, i feel like saying it isn't close to being good is writing it off a bit too soon and it might make its way into some low spot on the vr at some point in the future.
aw hell yeah, give me slime shady the unrivaled please
I am hoping and praying for my froggy boi to return home from warSo who do y’all think/want the new raid Pokémon to be ? I’m pretty sure the answer is greninja
magearna would be pretty sick but it's probably gonna be one of the legendary birds or somethingSo who do y’all think/want the new raid Pokémon to be ? I’m pretty sure the answer is greninja
dragonite was moreso problematic due to shed tail support from cyclizar, and now that it's banned, i don't think it's going to be as big of a threat as it once was prior to cyclizar's ban. it's fine now, reallyThey all unanimously refused to ban Chien pao, dragonite, and Gholdengo, why is that?
Frankly I don't think they're going to go for legendaries at all until home. The first two picks have demonstrated at least some correlation to being "fan favourite" non legendary mons. Realistically they're probably going to stick to the pattern of starter pokemon final evos.magearna would be pretty sick but it's probably gonna be one of the legendary birds or something
avalugg is passive asf.. sorry but why use it? its very expolitable esp on the special side, sure its unmovable on the special side but it invites everything else inIf the meta ever favors Slowking, Avalugg can use the snow boost to wall even super effective physical attacks and dish out heavy damage.
Avalugg can compress rapid spinning and defensive Body Press onto a single set that also has reliable recovery and a strong usable STAB. I think Hisuian-Avalugg will be an overall better mon once released, but to avoid theory monning I do think regular Avalugg does have some niche OU usageavalugg is passive asf.. sorry but why use it? its very expolitable esp on the special side, sure its unmovable on the special side but it invites everything else in
not as passive compared to other defense-oriented pokemon in the current metagame such as clodsire and toxapex, and yet those two pokemon see lots of usage and are considered very good in the current metagame. not everything has to have an offensive presence, and avalugg's isn't even that bad. avalanche and icicle crash are solid STAB options, with the former punishing any pokemon that doesn't OHKO and icicle crash dealing more consistent damage, not to mention its body press hits super hard coming off of its 184 defense. i agree that it's not that good in comparison to other physical walls but being passive is certainly not the reason whyavalugg is passive asf.. sorry but why use it? its very expolitable esp on the special side, sure its unmovable on the special side but it invites everything else in
FuturePort into a powerful Body Press is not readily walled, and this is obviously for stall so passive is nothing new there.avalugg is passive asf.. sorry but why use it? its very expolitable esp on the special side, sure its unmovable on the special side but it invites everything else in
i'm sorry but how? its typing is worse, its stat spread is worse, it loses to so much more of the meta-relevant pokemon and it's even more reliant on terastallization. i really don't see this being goodHisuian-Avalugg will be an overall better mon once released
lmao no the fuck it won't. it's an ice/rock type. it'd need a box-legendary base stat spread to even reach uu. and its stat spread is objectively worse than regular avalugg's for every role that avalugg can reasonably play. strong jaw doesn't help because body press and rapid spin aren't biting moves and avalugg (either one) shouldn't be running any attacks outside of those and maybe one stab move. as for stab, mountain gale's stronger than boosted ice fang and there's no rock-type biting move, so strong jaw ends up being completely worthless on it. not that you should run mountain gale either, it's got 85 accuracy and a virtually useless effect because hisuian avalugg outspeeds exactly nothing.I think Hisuian-Avalugg will be an overall better mon once released
People, we really need to stop treating this line as an argument of anything. If anything were even close to being as restraining as Chi-Yu, It'd be banned already. That's how broken that thing was and any comparison to it makes any argument look worse.it's extremely powerful and has a ton of useful traits that make it invaluable on most teams but it's not as restraining on teambuilding as chi-yu was
Agree for Chien Pao, disagree for Garganacle.Chien-Pao and Garganacl are by far the 2 best user of this mechanic, Tera Dark Chien Pao slicing through everything and Garganacl Defensive tera making it extremely difficult to beat. There's almost zero downside to terastalizing these two pokemon, so if you can tera with these two, just do it.
Whatever could you possibly mean, Ice/Rock only has 2 x4 weaknesses and that +10 Base Speed let's it outspeed OU beasts like Dondozo and Garganacle!! How could that possibly be bad? Not to mention it gets Strong Jaw, like Dracovish, rising his Ice Fang from 65 Power to a whooping 97i'm sorry but how? its typing is worse, its stat spread is worse, it loses to so much more of the meta-relevant pokemon and it's even more reliant on terastallization. i really don't see this being good
my guy, the most used mons in the meta get knock off and trick. this wasn't a recent development. you shouldn't be losing to knock off and trick in 2023Nacl teams have adapted to covert cloak and run AT LEAST 1 knock off user and 1 trick user