Harry Potter Mafia II - Game Over

Status
Not open for further replies.
I don't see the proof that obi is percy.
did toothache get that?

since when did the weasley brothers get the ability to know a mafia member immediately?

seriously now did I miss something?

not voting until I get some proof
 
Kira said:
The weasly brothers get to know who their Brother(s) are. Percy is their brother so they would know who Percy was.
Click to expand...
wow, that's shit

I don't believe that.
I think mekkah would screw over a single person so badly.

who knows though

edit: is it possible that they only know who george and fred are?

Shiv said:
Fred Weasley, Hogwarts. Knows who George Weasley is and can trust to work with him.

George Weasley, Hogwarts. Knows who Fred Weasley is and can trust to work with him.
Click to expand...

from the original HP mafia thread
found here http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=902822&postcount=187
 
toothache said:
leafgreen I'm suspicious of you mainly because you're the most argumentative person here. If you were Hogwarts you'd be trying to help me not hinder me.

aamto was only suspicious cos Obi called him out about his post, which is obviously a joke. I don't think Obi would be that dumb as to say 'oh yeah I'm mafia'. This doesn't clear aamto fully however, bear this in mind.

Also getting the inspector to check me is the oldest trick in the book, because then you'd get your mafia buddies to kill me so his inspection was wasted, when he could inspect who could actually be a mafia. Notice how no-one else has claimed to be Fred or George. Why would I bother doing anything, especially this early in the game unless I had some proof?
Click to expand...
Oldest trick in the book, eh? Well, last time I checked, a student asking the inspector to check someone wasn't a trick. I've been argumentative this entire time, yes. However, does that necessarily make me mafia? No. You were acting suspicious, so I called you out for possibly lying, and laid out what I thought your plan was. It's certainly possible that I was wrong and you actually are a weasley twin. Well, here's the deal: Right now, in my eyes, there is a 50/50 shot that you're mafia or if you're telling the truth. You want trust? Fine. Then this is my request for the inspector to NOT check you.

This is my new request:
Hermoine check for Fred Weasley

No one knows who fred is, but you are supposedly george. A mafia approaching the right person out of all the people playing is highly unlikely, and would most certainly result in them getting lynched the next day if they attempted to mass contact people, which would be a very poor move. In other words, hermoine would find the role, would contact fred, who would know who george was, and through another player it could be revealed whether you were lying or were genuine. If you were lying, you would be lynched instantly, and the students would gain power in numbers. If you were telling the truth, we would know not to lynch you and go after someone else, and we would still gain power in numbers. It's win/win/win, and should clear up any inspector+kill person inspected problems.
 
I was surprised as anyone to find the Weasley bros knew more than just each other Thunderpup so I can understand your suspicion there. The information came from non other than Arthur Weasley.

Yes it appears there's a spy in the Ministry. Keeping the information in the family.

Since I can't c+p the PM I recieved I can't give you any more proof.

Also why are you allowing the person being accused to lead the vote against aamto? Don't be fooled Obi is pulling the wool over your eyes.

If I die, everything I've said so far will be proved true and you should all vote sensibly and immediately. If Obi dies and is proved Ministry, I'll be proved once again. It's a win/win situation for me, so why would I not share the information I had?

EDIT: I am Fred Weasley. In the meantime I already know who Hermione is. And he knows who George is. I was smart enough to relay that sort of information to save Hermione's time.
 
yeah hermoine checking for george weasley wouldn't be worth anything unless george publically announced his brother and it was toothache or if toothache called out his brother.

that's a waste of time
the brothers really have no great powers either
I think hermione should look for the vigilante roles
it would be a better place to start
 
With all of the circumstantial evidence here, it's clear that not voting for Obi would be a mistake. He's been calling attention to himself with the Ministry forum PM and his seemingly constant changing of the subject.

I mean, in Pokemon mafia, I was obviously trying to change the subject when my teammate, ControllerOfFlames, was targeted for lynching. I got executed the very next night. So I personally know not to do that and can clearly see when someone is doing that having done so myself.

I repeat, it's a mistake not to lynch Obi. Toothache seems to know for sure, I've figured it out, and several others have also figured it out. Let's get rid of him, already!
 
EDIT: I am Fred Weasley. In the meantime I already know who Hermione is. And he knows who George is. I was smart enough to relay that sort of information to save Hermione's time.
Click to expand...
Ah, I misread your post. Very well, but who will come out and support that claim? It could just as easily be a ministry supporting you, which just brings us back to square one. *sigh*

And furthermore... there has been one night so far. According to karrat, hermoine checked for neville. This leaves two possibilities: karrat was lying (but why? what use would that have?) or that you're lying (how would hermoine have found you if she hadn't specifically searched for you?).

Hermione checking fred weasley would be ridiculous regardless.. We know he is good, so why would he lie to us about his role?

Have a nice day.
Click to expand...
So forming an alliance of people aligned with hogwarts is ridiculous? If hermoine were to check for *george (sorry misread that before), she would find out all of the other weasley members by extension.

Also, I think we can suspect anyone voting aamto right now. Toothache is either the real deal or is ministry trying to pull an elaborate plan, and at this point I'm not sure which anymore. Either way, the evidence supports obi being ministry.
 
CardsOfTheHeart said:
With all of the circumstantial evidence here, it's clear that not voting for Obi would be a mistake. He's been calling attention to himself with the Ministry forum PM
Click to expand...

That's not even this game.

and his seemingly constant changing of the subject.
Click to expand...

I've stayed fairly constant in my suspicion of aamto. Unless you mean changing the subject from "lynch obi!" to "lynch aamto!", then of course I'd make that change. If you were under suspicion, you would change that subject, too. It proves nothing. If anyone is suspect for changing the subject, it's Toothache or Kira. However, I know Kira is innocent.

I've layed out my argument for why I'm innocent, so unless someone brings up something new, I think that's about it for me today.

"Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by fighting back."
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piet_Hein_(Denmark)

A quick Google of that quote at the end of Obi's post leads me to this person. I've got to read through this to see what sort of hint he's trying to suggest here.

EDIT: In regards to Hein's poems or grooks: The poems were meant as a spirit-building, yet slightly coded form of passive resistance against Nazi occupation during World War II.

So is this saying Obi wants to be kept alive so he can hold passive resistance against the Ministry?
 
I'm pretty sure it means that you, Toothache, are trying to cover other's suspicions of you by making suspicions of others.

TBH, though, Toothache's evidence DOES seem trustworthy. I haven't voted yet, and for good reason, as I'm somewhat undecided about who might be mafia and who isn't.

I have a feeling the leafgreen836 isn't mafia as some people are making him out to be. As he said, he's just being suspicious.

EDIT: I may be wrong about the quote, though. I'll wait for Obi to respond, if he does.
 
Wait, what is this evidence Toothache has? He's just saying that either someone told him who Percy is or he knew because he is one of the Wesleys. But Fred and George shouldn't instantly know who a mafia member is. What kind of crap is that? It's basically auto-death for Percy. So, unless Mekkah really hates Obi and gave him a role that means he instantly dies, I don't understand what your evidence is.

There's no evidence really. It's Toothaches word versus Obis.

Edit:
Karrot said:
I'm pretty sure it means that you, Toothache, are trying to cover other's suspicions of you by making suspicions of others.
Click to expand...

That's what I thought too.
 
gsumbreon said:
lynch aatmo. I say we need more evidence to lynch obi. We already know he is rly good at mafia antics, so why not wait and see?
Click to expand...

What evidence is there against aamto? Only Obi's word.

I had an owl last night with this information, and the smartest thing to do is to share it with all those aligned with Hogwarts so they can do the smart thing and vote Obi.

If you want to have someone you can trust to act as the voice of your information and you're aligned with Hogwarts it would be in your best interests to contact me so I can give that information out and keep the inspector roles safe. This is the main reason I came out so early, so I can act as a mouth piece for the students, and hopefully organise enough of them to get rid of all the Ministry and Death Eaters.

Vote Obi so I can be proven to act as your voice, else you are mafia in my eyes unless proven otherwise. I have some students and others already with me, with Obi lynched we can hopefully organise even more and work together to clear Hogwarts of the unwanted Ministry and Death Eaters.
 
gsumbreon said:
lynch aatmo. I say we need more evidence to lynch obi. We already know he is rly good at mafia antics, so why not wait and see?
Click to expand...
If he is so good at mafia antics, then why would you let him live?

EDIT: Toothache looks clean in my book with the evidence he's provided. The burden of proof is on Obi to clear his name, and he's yet to do so. Why aren't we lynching him already?
 
ugh this thread is starting to suck

i have no idea who to vote for, oh wait

lynch aamto

obi is making perfect sense in that if toothache is telling the truth then percy is a fucking useless role, mekkah wouldn't do that
 
Unfortunately he did. Apologies to Mekkah and evan if I did something that was unintended, also apologies to Obi for drawing the short straw with the role.

Maybe Mekkah's intention was for the Weasley family to unite rather than be disbanded this way. Since the information was passed on by Arthur Weasley, I can only surmise this was the case.

Obi even PMed me admitting he was Percy.

Obi said:
You found me out, I am Percy Weasley. I am not allied with the Ministry, though, not really. My guess is that I'm some sort of turncoat-style role. Please do not lynch me. If you'll read the book carefully, you'll see that Percy ends up joining the students in the end.
Click to expand...

This isn't anything he hasn't said already though in this thread
 
Okay, where is the proof that Obi ISN'T Percy? Obi has a logical argument as to why he believes that the Percy role isn't so messed up. Toothache has a PM that he says he can't copy-paste here, which means that the PM was sent by Mekkah himself.

Obi has good reasoning as to why Mekkah WOULDN'T do something like that. However, I've yet to see Obi's proof that Mekkah DIDN'T do that. Without actually coming out and stating his role, Obi has no way to prove that he isn't Percy at all. Toothache looks to have outted Obi for everyone to see; it's up to Obi to prove with HARD EVIDENCE (not just logic) that he is lying.

EDIT: Ah, this post was constructed before I saw Toothache's. Obi still has to prove that he ISN'T Ministry, though. "My guess is that I'm some sort of turncoat-style role"? That wasn't even a full confession! I'm gonna need more than that!
 
lol mob mentality really intrigues me.

so what do you do? you jump on the next person with next to no evidence. this is why i hate playing mafia with idiots.
 
The fact people are trying to discredit toothache is actually only making him more believable. There are three possible scenarios here: 1) toothache is the real deal, in which case we should believe him, 2) toothache is ministry trying to pull an elaborate plan, which with all the people fighting him this is looking less and less likely, or 3) toothache is death eater and is trying to pawn someone off, which as I've stated before would be an overwhelmingly stupid move, and hurt him more than help, which leaves only options 1 and 2, in which case... either way we hit a ministry today. Since several people are obviously trying to defend obi or otherwise keep the vote away from him, I think we can also rule out option 2, leaving only option 1: he's the real deal.

To all of you people voting aamto: you are all suspected ministry until obi is proven to not be allied with the ministry. I never doubted that toothache was telling the truth about obi being percy. What I did doubt was his alliance. As you can tell by the above, it would be illogical for him to pull this as a death eater. It would reduce the death eaters to an even smaller minority after he was singled out and killed. Hoping to get lucky with this would be overwhelmingly foolish, as well, as the probability of them hitting a powerful role is low, and taking out a member of the other mafia with this trick wouldn't prove that useful either. And too many people are opposing him for it to be any elaborate plan by the ministry.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top