Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

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Hiddenfreezer said:
I like Chesnaught, but what does it do better compared to Breloom?
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So this generation it gained Body Press, which coming off a 122 defense stat + STAB is nothing to complain about. While it and Breloom are the same type, they play vastly different roles. It can set Spikes, has Super Fang and Leech Seed and is the best spikey shield user we have. It also has a surprisingly good offensive movepool which it generally doesn't utlize, however this is the first time it has ever fought in a gen where the mons were cut. I don't know if it will truly be OU, however given how limited defensive teams are currently, it is a welcome addition.
 
1LDK said:
the what

Spikes and a better defensive profile, they share different niches
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Spikes sounds saucy because Chesnaught in theory can make the Tusk suffer. Does it beat 1 vs 1?

Is the better defensive Profile specifically for bulletproof? Because that ability is overrated.
If you meant BST: True I agree.
 
Hyper-Go-ons said:
I'll Talk you about a Mold Breaker case:

Tinkaton can Paralyze Garganacl with Thunder Wave thanks to Mold Breaker, but it won't if Garganacl holds a Ability Shield.

Tinkaton is prefered to hold a Covert Cloak against Garganacl, so Salt Cure won't be a problem for Tinkaton (However if they carry Earthquake, they'll deal meaningful damage to Tinkaton)

If the HOME update releases, Basculegion can ignore Purifying Salt Ghost-type damage reduction Thanks to Mold Breaker (Female Basculegion can do better thanks to its higher special attack than its male counterpart)

Haxorus can Poison Garganacl with Poison Jab thanks to Mold Breaker, Tera Poison Haxorus against Tera Fairy Garganacl variants is a good situational strategy.
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i havent tested this but supposedly fling toxic orb from a mold breaker pokemon will poison garg. more reliable than poison jab but at that point you might as well trick it black sludge. until home comes out we wont know if toxic will be redistributed, most of the mold breaker pokemon had it in previous generations
 
Mega Breloom said:
What do you mean? I have been using sub Pult since ever because Garg is annoying otherwise.
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garg wins 1v1 against sub pult always
u run out of ddarts and hex pp before he runs out of protect and recover
if its curse/iron def its even worse
only reason I run sub pult is to troll stall
 
Hiddenfreezer said:
Spikes sounds saucy because Chesnaught in theory can make the Tusk suffer. Does it beat 1 vs 1?

Is the better defensive Profile specifically for bulletproof? Because that ability is overrated.
If you meant BST: True I agree.
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I think the coolest part of bulletproof is you 1v1 cinderace because pyro ball can't hit you. Acid spray and sludge bomb immunity means it will beat any AV toxapex. Dragpult, gholdengo cant use shadow ball. Thats less of an issue for pult but exploitable for gholdengo. The only other use i see that isnt niche is weather ball, which usually finds its place on weather teams, and maybe getting a free switch into focus blast. No ones using bullet seed or energy ball at you.
 
Exotic64 said:
darts does like 25% to garg if they switch in garg on sub pult I would just switch out
if u want a garg counter just run trick gholdengo
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I like Pult more, and like I have mentioned, it have worked for me since the start of the gen. Obviously that isn't my only way to beat Garg or just run sub for it, but that is the reason why I started to run it and feel comfortable with it.
 
Like what? Finally, Chesnaught, let's go!

Even if it isnt making a splash, I certainly see it as a spashable mon who can patch up a a few holes here and there. Compresses so many roles, while beating out most of what stops it.

Doesn't it learn Night Slash for mons like Gold and Pult?
 
sims796 said:
Like what? Finally, Chesnaught, let's go!

Even if it isnt making a splash, I certainly see it as a spashable mon who can patch up a a few holes here and there. Compresses so many roles, while beating out most of what stops it.

Doesn't it learn Night Slash for mons like Gold and Pult?
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I reckon it will be a good check to stuff like gambit and tusk and dragapult if it’s tera fairy but it’s movepool is kinda mid and it’s stats are alright but idk if it has recovery but I’d say it’s pretty solid but its defo not meta defining
I’m interested to try it out tho
 
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UnusualBoy said:
I kinda agree with this but I would replace Bax with Dnite, Dnite has been a strong menace since the gen started, Bax started getting traction like 2 months ago.
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My post specifically says current meta. Currently Baxcalibur is way more influential than Nite, also being the main reason for which Dondozo is also in the list.
 
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tbh im not a fan of espeed eq dnite anymore, ran into storm zone on ladder the other day and got swept with dragon dance fire punch dclaw encore tera fire nite. after playing around with that set I gotta say its worth a try, defo much better than espeed eq since encore beats stall staples like dozo and corv 1v1 and any psyspam teams with tera flying; its also wisp immune so fuck dirge :tymp:
idk if anyones posted the set already but here it is
personally I like boots but can be lefties as well if you have good hazard control
Code: 
Sty (Dragonite) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Multiscale
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Fire Punch
- Dragon Claw
- Encore

just watch this replay https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1859588152-b0jq5e1l20epkwslh41a3vllh3yfhmypw lmfao

on a different note to anyone who wants to climb low ladder id 100% suggest abusing the fuck outta bax, currently 21-0 on my alt and from 1000-1300 id say 50% of the games were bax leads that turned into 6-0s kek
 
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I think that Chesnaught can have a good niche in OU as a Spikes Setter or even with a Bulk Up set nowthat it has Body Press.
More or less, I think this two sets can be good in OU

Defensive Spikes:
Chesnaught @ Leftovers
Ability: Bulletproof
Tera Type: Water / Steel / Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 228 Def / 28 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Body Press
- Leech Seed
- Spiky Shield
- Spikes

Bulk-Up SpD Invested:
Chesnaught @ Leftovers
Ability: Bulletproof
Tera Type: Water / Steel / Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 228 SpD / 28 Spe
Careful Nature
- Bulk Up
- Earthquake
- Body Press
- Synthesis
 
CharlyHunter98 said:
I think that Chesnaught can have a good niche in OU as a Spikes Setter or even with a Bulk Up set nowthat it has Body Press.
More or less, I think this two sets can be good in OU

Defensive Spikes:
Chesnaught @ Leftovers
Ability: Bulletproof
Tera Type: Water / Steel / Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 228 Def / 28 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Body Press
- Leech Seed
- Spiky Shield
- Spikes

Bulk-Up SpD Invested:
Chesnaught @ Leftovers
Ability: Bulletproof
Tera Type: Water / Steel / Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 228 SpD / 28 Spe
Careful Nature
- Bulk Up
- Earthquake
- Body Press
- Synthesis
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You forgot the iron defense, trailblaze, body press, synthesis/leech seed/spiky shield set from ranbats. Absolute cheese but fun and kinda sorta viable
 
What are people's thoughts about Noivern in the current meta? I've been using it in recent teams and it's surprisingly good, and not just for the surprise factor. To summarize my Niche Heat Brigade post, Noivern absolutely blows stuff up with Tera Normal Boomburst (even 2HKOing AV pex with specs while Timid :D), has a lightning-fast speed stat which surpasses fast threats like non-Booster Energy Valiant, Cinderace, and Roaring Moon, and has a good enough defensive typing to take hits from things like Volc and Loom. I typically run this set:
:sv/noivern: @ Choice Specs
-Boomburst
-Draco Meteor
-U-Turn
-Flamethrower
but you can slot in any of Hurricane, Super Fang, Defog, Roost, or Taunt if you run a different item like HDB. It is mandatory to run with hazard removal and a way to deal with the minecraft salt pyramid and clod, but otherwise it's pretty good and I highly suggest using it.
Edit: thanks to Lobby Eeveee for helping me out :D
 
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Just A Shroom God said:
What are people's thoughts about Noivern in the current meta? I've been using it in recent teams and it's surprisingly good, and not just for the surprise factor. To summarize my Niche Heat Brigade post, Noivern absolutely blows stuff up with Tera Normal Boomburst (even 2HKOing AV pex with specs while Timid :D), has a lightning-fast speed stat which surpasses fast threats like non-Booster Energy Valiant, Cinderace, and Roaring Moon, and has a good enough defensive typing to take hits from things like Volc and Loom. I typically run Specs with Boomburst/Draco/U-Turn/Flamethrower how to but you can slot in any of Hurricane, Super Fang, Defog, Roost, or Taunt if you run a different item like HDB. It is mandatory to run with hazard removal and a way to deal with the minecraft salt pyramid and clod, but otherwise it's pretty good and I highly suggest using it.
Side note: how does one include a set in their post like
and those GIFs of pokemon?
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Just do :pokemon-name: for sprites

If you want a bigger one, do :generation/pokemon-name:

for example :bw/ eevee: gives me :bw/eevee:
 
sims796 said:
It doesn't get synthesis? Or at least Drain Punch, though that isn't that reliable
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Exotic64 said:
I reckon it will be a good check to stuff like gambit and tusk and dragapult if it’s tera fairy but it’s movepool is kinda mid and it’s stats are alright but idk if it has recovery but I’d say it’s pretty solid but its defo not meta defining
I’m interested to try it out tho
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It does get Synthesis via Breeding alongside the mentioned Drain Punch and Leech Seed. Not sure how good Synthesis is for it given the PP reduction and how Chesnaught likes to play, but it has options to keep its health up while checking stuff.
 
Synthesis has always(?) had 8pp, I'm most excited for a defensive Ground switch-in that's not too passive between Body Press and its support pool.
 
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