Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v2 [Update on Post #5186]

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Now that the Rillaboom event has been live for a bit, what are your favorite/favored sets for Rilla in SV? Obviously, it's lacking without Grassy Glide, but I'm working on an AV Rilla set.
 
ausma said:
ou forum: can we have ou fight night?
this thread: we have ou fight night at home
ou fight night at home:
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This is hilarious. I'm dying rn.

CringeLord! said:
Also regardless of intentions my issue with ur post was that Mfs with no qualification trying to put down people better then them, I’m fine with the bo3 but any team not just self made.
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Personally, I think a lot of skill in pokemon can be shown in the teambuilder, but okay cool.
 
BijouMode said:
Personally, I think a lot of skill in pokemon can be shown in the teambuilder, but okay cool.
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I 100% agree with this. If you don't have a good set of team building fundamentals, you're going to fail. Netdecking (netteaming?) a team is just taking a squad that someone else had success with because of their good team building and using it for yourself rather than building a squad on your own.

Most of my "skill" lies in team building/drafting. Probably 80/20 split on building/piloting for me, but that's just an internal assessment.
 
SpritePony said:
I 100% agree with this. If you don't have a good set of team building fundamentals, you're going to fail. Netdecking (netteaming?) a team is just taking a squad that someone else had success with because of their good team building and using it for yourself rather than building a squad on your own.

Most of my "skill" lies in team building/drafting. Probably 80/20 split on building/piloting for me, but that's just an internal assessment.
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i run primarily my own shit but saying all teams need to be built soley for this is stupid and overall lowers the actual skill level bc lord knows im not gonna pilot some shit i made 20 mins ago up to par.
 
CringeLord! said:
i run primarily my own shit but saying all teams need to be built soley for this is stupid and overall lowers the actual skill level bc lord knows im not gonna pilot some shit i made 20 mins ago up to par.
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You are completely taking what I am saying in the wrong direction. No team is going to be perfect on the first run through. Everything needs tweaking and fine tuning. However, skill in the team builder is exceptionally important. Needing to keep common, high tier, threats in mind while designing a team, and knowing how to build around whatever Pokemon you want to pilot.
 
CringeLord! said:
i run primarily my own shit but saying all teams need to be built soley for this is stupid and overall lowers the actual skill level bc lord knows im not gonna pilot some shit i made 20 mins ago up to par.
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Also, I didn't suggest you needed to build for this, just that you should use a team you made yourself.
 
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Most people here do not build their own teams, it is a wholly different skill set and often doesn't translate as one-to-one between battling as it might seem. Having the schematic breadth to recognize all viable sets, of all viable pokemon, in all viable team compositions in a given tier is an unrealistic expectation for ALL players to have.

Using a team someone sends you doesn't make you less of a player or less skilled. Don't waste time in the teambuilder trying to address every incongruence or every weird lure that gets you. You will gain more experience and understanding of the game by taking someone else's team and laddering it. The teambuilder can be a trap that will limit your growth and understanding, because at least you have the reassurance that a team given to you is solid - instead of having to parse whether the game played out because of your skill or of the team being poor.

Don't make it into a superiority complex. Our best players ask for teams even in Finals.
 
serotine said:
Most people here do not build their own teams, it is a wholly different skill set and often doesn't translate as one-to-one between battling as it might seem. Having the schematic breadth to recognize all viable sets, of all viable pokemon, in all viable team compositions in a given tier is an unrealistic expectation for ALL players to have.

Using a team someone sends you doesn't make you less of a player or less skilled. Don't waste time in the teambuilder trying to address every incongruence or every weird lure that gets you. You will gain more experience and understanding of the game by taking someone else's team and laddering it. The teambuilder can be a trap that will limit your growth and understanding, because at least you have the reassurance that a team given to you is solid - instead of having to parse whether the game played out because of your skill or of the team being poor.

Don't make it into a superiority complex. Our best players ask for teams even in Finals.
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That feels weird to have finalists just be like "Ayo, can someone build me a team?" Just feels wrong to me.
 
serotine said:
Most people here do not build their own teams, it is a wholly different skill set and often doesn't translate as one-to-one between battling as it might seem. Having the schematic breadth to recognize all viable sets, of all viable pokemon, in all viable team compositions in a given tier is an unrealistic expectation for ALL players to have.

Using a team someone sends you doesn't make you less of a player or less skilled. Don't waste time in the teambuilder trying to address every incongruence or every weird lure that gets you. You will gain more experience and understanding of the game by taking someone else's team and laddering it. The teambuilder can be a trap that will limit your growth and understanding, because at least you have the reassurance that a team given to you is solid - instead of having to parse whether the game played out because of your skill or of the team being poor.

Don't make it into a superiority complex. Our best players ask for teams even in Finals.
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Yup and what even defines "self made" if I switch one Mon on a sample team, or just tweak an EV spread or move, is that self made? Does using any known core negate "self made?" There's only a certain number of mons and archetypes. I see people in the RMT thread or stunfisk "rate my sun team" and it's always Torkoal, Hat, Wake, Tusk, and then some combination of Roaring Moon, Brute Bonnet, Ceruledge, and Lilligant-H... can one even "self make" teams of certain archetypes?
SpritePony said:
That feels weird to have finalists just be like "Ayo, can someone build me a team?" Just feels wrong to me.
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Well it happens, and in fact virtually every WCOP team was created as a group effort with lots of peer review and input from other players. High level players pass teams around all the time. Watch literally any blunder video, "this team was brought to us by x" comes up at least once
 
ianlazerbeem said:
Well it happens, and in fact virtually every WCOP team was created as a group effort with lots of peer review and input from other players. High level players pass teams around all the time. Watch literally any blunder video, "this team was brought to us by x" comes up at least once
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To be fair, a good chunk of PokeTubers use teams from others because it's easier content. If I got back into PokeTubing/Streaming, I'd still just be piloting my own squads, unless I was trying to understand how a team/specific Pokemon pick/set worked. But that's just learning.
 
serotine said:
Most people here do not build their own teams, it is a wholly different skill set and often doesn't translate as one-to-one between battling as it might seem. Having the schematic breadth to recognize all viable sets, of all viable pokemon, in all viable team compositions in a given tier is an unrealistic expectation for ALL players to have.

Using a team someone sends you doesn't make you less of a player or less skilled. Don't waste time in the teambuilder trying to address every incongruence or every weird lure that gets you. You will gain more experience and understanding of the game by taking someone else's team and laddering it. The teambuilder can be a trap that will limit your growth and understanding, because at least you have the reassurance that a team given to you is solid - instead of having to parse whether the game played out because of your skill or of the team being poor.

Don't make it into a superiority complex. Our best players ask for teams even in Finals.
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Just want to make it clear, I have no problem with people using teams made by others, I did that myself and I still do occasionally now, I just thought it would help even out the contest as I would be using a team I made myself.

ianlazerbeem said:
Yup and what even defines "self made" if I switch one Mon on a sample team, or just tweak an EV spread or move, is that self made? Does using any known core negate "self made?" There's only a certain number of mons and archetypes. I see people in the RMT thread or stunfisk "rate my sun team" and it's always Torkoal, Hat, Wake, Tusk, and then some combination of Roaring Moon, Brute Bonnet, Ceruledge, and Lilligant-H... can one even "self make" teams of certain archetypes?
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I just see self made as being a team you consciously put together. If you use a common core or archetype, I would still count it as your own team.

Once again, I want to make it clear, I have no problem with people using teams made by others, and I said it would be fine for CringeLord to do it as well, the fact I asked for self made teams was a suggestion, not a requirement.
 
ianlazerbeem said:
Yup and what even defines "self made" if I switch one Mon on a sample team, or just tweak an EV spread or move, is that self made? Does using any known core negate "self made?" There's only a certain number of mons and archetypes. I see people in the RMT thread or stunfisk "rate my sun team" and it's always Torkoal, Hat, Wake, Tusk, and then some combination of Roaring Moon, Brute Bonnet, Ceruledge, and Lilligant-H... can one even "self make" teams of certain archetypes?


Well it happens, and in fact virtually every WCOP team was created as a group effort with lots of peer review and input from other players. High level players pass teams around all the time. Watch literally any blunder video, "this team was brought to us by x" comes up at least once
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on the first part i had said the exact same thing and deleted the message as i found it pointless to try to argue, if i brought fucking german bax and made cinderace libero is my team now selfmade? there is no definition of it so its completely irrelevant, furthermore should someone feeling that a long standing rule of being allowed to use other ppls teams "feels wrong." in all honesty is completely irrelevant.
 
CringeLord! said:
on the first part i had said the exact same thing and deleted the message as i found it pointless to try to argue, if i brought fucking german bax and made cinderace libero is my team now selfmade? there is no definition of it so its completely irrelevant, furthermore should someone feeling that a long standing rule of being allowed to use other ppls teams "feels wrong." in all honesty is completely irrelevant.
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Idk if you're even talking about me anymore but I just want to retract the whole "self made" thing, it's not a problem for me if anyone uses anyone else's team, and it was only even a suggestion here.
 
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Kricketune is coming to OU, tomorrow (I finally got the set ready)​

Speaking of things to ponder - how do you all feel about offensive Ting-Lu right now? I've been running the following Ting-Lu set and it's been working wonders for me (kudos to Srn for helping with the variant of offensive Ting-Lu I use now)

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Ting-Lu @ Leftovers
Ability: Vessel of Ruin
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Ruination
- Protect​

252 HP with 252 Attack and Adamant allows Ting-Lu to bluff a more passive role and when OHKO some prominent threats. The 4 speed EVs are to outspeed other Ting-Lu. Stone Edge is fantastic for dealing with Pokemon like Enamorus and Zapdos. Tera Type is Ground mostly to remove the Dark-type weakness against certain threats, but the power buff to Earthquake is pretty nice and does turn some of the listed 2HKOs into OHKOs.

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Clodsire: 476-564 (102.8 - 121.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 224 HP / 0 Def Cinderace: 408-480 (114.2 - 134.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 140+ Def Garganacl: 206-246 (50.9 - 60.8%) -- 89.5% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gholdengo: 336-396 (106.6 - 125.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gholdengo: 236-282 (62.4 - 74.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Glimmora: 696-820 (226.7 - 267.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 612-720 (158.5 - 186.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Iron Moth: 964-1140 (320.2 - 378.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Iron Treads: 272-324 (84.7 - 100.9%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Iron Treads: 272-324 (70.8 - 84.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Kingambit: 272-324 (79.7 - 95%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 236 HP / 0 Def Kingambit: 272-324 (68 - 81%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Toxapex: 222-264 (73.2 - 87.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 192+ Def Toxapex: 180-212 (59.2 - 69.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Volcanion: 272-324 (90.3 - 107.6%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 116 HP / 0 Def Volcanion: 272-324 (82.4 - 98.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Baxcalibur: 228-270 (61.4 - 72.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 111-131 (34.3 - 40.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Enamorus: 286-338 (98.9 - 116.9%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Pelipper: 214-252 (81.9 - 96.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Pelipper: 154-182 (47.6 - 56.3%) -- 81.6% chance to 2HKO

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zapdos: 244-288 (76 - 89.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 104 Def Zapdos: 216-256 (56.2 - 66.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 
Morkal said:
kricketune.gif

Kricketune is coming to OU, tomorrow (I finally got the set ready)​

Speaking of things to ponder - how do you all feel about offensive Ting-Lu right now? I've been running the following Ting-Lu set and it's been working wonders for me (kudos to Srn for helping with the variant of offensive Ting-Lu I use now)

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Ting-Lu @ Leftovers
Ability: Vessel of Ruin
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Ruination
- Protect​

252 HP with 252 Attack and Adamant allows Ting-Lu to bluff a more passive role and when OHKO some prominent threats. The 4 speed EVs are to outspeed other Ting-Lu. Stone Edge is fantastic for dealing with Pokemon like Enamorus and Zapdos. Tera Type is Ground mostly to remove the Dark-type weakness against certain threats, but the power buff to Earthquake is pretty nice and does turn some of the listed 2HKOs into OHKOs.

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Clodsire: 476-564 (102.8 - 121.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 224 HP / 0 Def Cinderace: 408-480 (114.2 - 134.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 140+ Def Garganacl: 206-246 (50.9 - 60.8%) -- 89.5% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gholdengo: 336-396 (106.6 - 125.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gholdengo: 236-282 (62.4 - 74.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Glimmora: 696-820 (226.7 - 267.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 612-720 (158.5 - 186.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Iron Moth: 964-1140 (320.2 - 378.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Iron Treads: 272-324 (84.7 - 100.9%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Iron Treads: 272-324 (70.8 - 84.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Kingambit: 272-324 (79.7 - 95%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 236 HP / 0 Def Kingambit: 272-324 (68 - 81%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Toxapex: 222-264 (73.2 - 87.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 192+ Def Toxapex: 180-212 (59.2 - 69.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Volcanion: 272-324 (90.3 - 107.6%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 116 HP / 0 Def Volcanion: 272-324 (82.4 - 98.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Baxcalibur: 228-270 (61.4 - 72.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 111-131 (34.3 - 40.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Enamorus: 286-338 (98.9 - 116.9%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Pelipper: 214-252 (81.9 - 96.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Pelipper: 154-182 (47.6 - 56.3%) -- 81.6% chance to 2HKO

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zapdos: 244-288 (76 - 89.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 104 Def Zapdos: 216-256 (56.2 - 66.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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Someone recently promoted Payback Ting-lu to me, I thought it was ridiculous but tbh it's the same BP as Earthquake if you get hit first
 
ianlazerbeem said:
Someone recently promoted Payback Ting-lu to me, I thought it was ridiculous but tbh it's the same BP as Earthquake if you get hit first
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It sounds cute, but not getting the boost on switch-ins feels like it would cost you a lot of bite. Also, what is staying in on Ting-Lu that is afraid of a Dark move? Nothing is springing to mind for me.
 
Morkal said:
kricketune.gif

Kricketune is coming to OU, tomorrow (I finally got the set ready)​

Speaking of things to ponder - how do you all feel about offensive Ting-Lu right now? I've been running the following Ting-Lu set and it's been working wonders for me (kudos to Srn for helping with the variant of offensive Ting-Lu I use now)

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Ting-Lu @ Leftovers
Ability: Vessel of Ruin
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Ruination
- Protect​

252 HP with 252 Attack and Adamant allows Ting-Lu to bluff a more passive role and when OHKO some prominent threats. The 4 speed EVs are to outspeed other Ting-Lu. Stone Edge is fantastic for dealing with Pokemon like Enamorus and Zapdos. Tera Type is Ground mostly to remove the Dark-type weakness against certain threats, but the power buff to Earthquake is pretty nice and does turn some of the listed 2HKOs into OHKOs.

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Clodsire: 476-564 (102.8 - 121.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 224 HP / 0 Def Cinderace: 408-480 (114.2 - 134.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 140+ Def Garganacl: 206-246 (50.9 - 60.8%) -- 89.5% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gholdengo: 336-396 (106.6 - 125.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gholdengo: 236-282 (62.4 - 74.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Glimmora: 696-820 (226.7 - 267.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 612-720 (158.5 - 186.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Iron Moth: 964-1140 (320.2 - 378.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Iron Treads: 272-324 (84.7 - 100.9%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Iron Treads: 272-324 (70.8 - 84.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Kingambit: 272-324 (79.7 - 95%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 236 HP / 0 Def Kingambit: 272-324 (68 - 81%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Toxapex: 222-264 (73.2 - 87.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 192+ Def Toxapex: 180-212 (59.2 - 69.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Volcanion: 272-324 (90.3 - 107.6%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Earthquake vs. 116 HP / 0 Def Volcanion: 272-324 (82.4 - 98.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Baxcalibur: 228-270 (61.4 - 72.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 111-131 (34.3 - 40.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Enamorus: 286-338 (98.9 - 116.9%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Pelipper: 214-252 (81.9 - 96.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Pelipper: 154-182 (47.6 - 56.3%) -- 81.6% chance to 2HKO

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zapdos: 244-288 (76 - 89.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Ting-Lu Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 104 Def Zapdos: 216-256 (56.2 - 66.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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I like this Ting-Lu post, but I still think it should be a defensive tera, mainly because Walking Wake is always scary on Team Preview.
 
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