Frantic Fusions is incredibly similar to Inheritance, and it still got approved. You have a shot, buddy.
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Frantic Fusions is incredibly similar to Inheritance, and it still got approved. You have a shot, buddy.
They aren't similar, while you take from another mon, you dont take the movepool, and you can keep your own abilities, if you want to compare it to anything Cross Evo is more similar but has a completely different pool of combination, on top of the movepool thing. That makes it distinct enough from other formats while still interesting.
Double Draft Randoms
- Metagame premise. The basic concept is that this is a 6v6 format, in which at the beginning you and your opponent are give 2 randomized pokemons of equal strength/viability, and you have to pick one of them, and the other pokemon would go to the opponents team. You have to do this till you and your opponent have picked 3 mons each so both teams have 6 complete mons.
- What does viability mean here? - Eg. You are given two options. An overqwil with toxic spikes, or a torkoal with stealth rocks, and you would have to decide which you value more.
- Strategy. As you get to teambuild to some extent, the basic strategy would be to pick mons that cover each others weaknesses.
- Eg. Your team has really strong attackers, but they have no switch in capabilities, so it would be best to start picking more bulky walls that can come in, take a hit and threaten status moves.
- Potential bans and threats. As this is a randomized format, we cant really argue about bans and threats here, but as the metagame progresses, there would be much needed balance changes to levels, and some mons would be given a more diverse moveset than we usually see in regular random battles
- Questions for the community.
- Q - Will the 2 given mons be completely randomized?
A - No, the will not be 'completely' randomized, rather they would be adjusted so the two options you get are of equal BST/Level. so you wont have to worry about your opponent picking chi-yu and giving you delibird. - Q - Will I know what my opponent has given me before the match has started?
A - Yes, If you have already picked a mon yourself, you will be able to see what the opponent has given you. This is done so that you can strategize better and encourage some form of teambuilding. But, lets say the opponent has picked all 3 mons, and you have picked only one mon, you will only be able to see the one mon that the opponent picked as their first choice. you will not be able to see the other mons until you have picked them yourself. - Q - How is this different from the regular random battles we already have?
A - This metagame is a more balanced version of the regular randbats, as this would give players a chance to pick the options they like, rather than it being completely picked for you, so you wont lose to that one blissey that just walls the entire team because you didnt have any physical attackers. - Q - How will the timer work in this metagame?
A - You will be given a beginning timer of around 20 seconds to pick each pokemon, adding upto a total of 1 minute for all three, then the game will be played on a regular match timer. This 20 second beginning timer cannot be turned off. If you picked a mon in less than 20 seconds, then the additional time will carry over. - Q - What happens if I fail to pick a mon in my allotted time?
A - If you don't pick a pokemon in the 20 seconds given to you, the game will randomly select one pokemon by itself, and then it will proceed naturally to the next option.
- Q - Will the 2 given mons be completely randomized?
Anything that's randomized is not going to be approved as an OM; you need to be able to make your team in teambuilder and bring it to battle.
1MSS
Premise: All 4 of a pokemon's moves combine to create 1 new move
The way this works is as follows:
Slot 1 determines Power and Priority (if this is a status move then the base power will be zero)
Slot 2 determines Type and Category (if the category is status the move will not do any damage regardless of what's in slot one so be careful what you put here)
Slot 3 determines Accuracy and PP
Slot 4 determines Secondary Effect (if this is a status move, it's effect becomes the secondary effect of the new move)
Example Strategies:
Moltres-Galar @ Choice Specs
Ability: Berserk
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hurricane
- Dark Pulse
- Aerial Ace
- Nasty Plot
This moveset will result in a Dark type special move with 110 bp, perfect accuracy, 32 pp, and the secondary effect of boosting SpA by 2 stages. Choice Specs because choice lock is irrelevant when you only have one move.
Clodsire @ Assault Vest
Ability: Unaware
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Earthquake
- Bulldoze
- Tackle
- Recover
This would result in a Ground type Physical move with 100 bp, 100 acc, 56 pp and the secondary effect of healing Clodsire for 50% max hp. Clodsire can afford to run Assault Vest since this move is an attack, making it an effective counter measure for special setup sweepers.
Clauses: Standard OM clauses
Annilhape
Arceus (All Forms)
Calyrex-Shadow
Calyrex-Ice
Chi-Yu
Chien-Pao
Dialga
Dialga-Origin
Eternatus
Giratina
Giratina-Origin
Groudon
Koraidon
Kyogre
Magearna
Miraidon
Palafin
Palafin-Hero
Palkia
Palkia-Origin
Rayquaza
Zacian
Zacian-Crowned
Zamazenta
Zamazenta-Crowned
Arceus (All Forms)
Calyrex-Shadow
Calyrex-Ice
Chi-Yu
Chien-Pao
Dialga
Dialga-Origin
Eternatus
Giratina
Giratina-Origin
Groudon
Koraidon
Kyogre
Magearna
Miraidon
Palafin
Palafin-Hero
Palkia
Palkia-Origin
Rayquaza
Zacian
Zacian-Crowned
Zamazenta
Zamazenta-Crowned
Arena Trap
Shadow Tag
Shadow Tag
Shed Tail
Last Respects
Last Respects
King's Rock
Setup moves
Terastalization
Terastalization
FAQ
None yet but I'll add some as you guys ask questions.
I think most status moves have very powerful effects that are balanced by them not doing any type of damage. That 4th moveslot option allowing status moves should go.
Even with that, this makes every mon a One-trick Pony. This meta doesn’t build upon the base game, but rather removes from it. There’s no switch-ups, no coverage, no strategy, just attack or switch. This meta sounds very shallow, and although it could be fun for the first few games, after everyone finds out which mons/moves to spam, the meta will dry up even more. If you see a mon switch in, it will 100% be using this move.
This feels a lot like Linked from Gen 8 where the first two moves are linked.1MSSPremise: All 4 of a pokemon's moves combine to create 1 new move
The way this works is as follows:
Slot 1 determines Power and Priority (if this is a status move then the base power will be zero)
Slot 2 determines Type and Category (if the category is status the move will not do any damage regardless of what's in slot one so be careful what you put here)
Slot 3 determines Accuracy and PP
Slot 4 determines Secondary Effect (if this is a status move, it's effect becomes the secondary effect of the new move)
Example Strategies:
Moltres-Galar @ Choice Specs
Ability: Berserk
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hurricane
- Dark Pulse
- Aerial Ace
- Nasty Plot
This moveset will result in a Dark type special move with 110 bp, perfect accuracy, 32 pp, and the secondary effect of boosting SpA by 2 stages. Choice Specs because choice lock is irrelevant when you only have one move.
Clodsire @ Assault Vest
Ability: Unaware
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Earthquake
- Bulldoze
- Tackle
- Recover
This would result in a Ground type Physical move with 100 bp, 100 acc, 56 pp and the secondary effect of healing Clodsire for 50% max hp. Clodsire can afford to run Assault Vest since this move is an attack, making it an effective counter measure for special setup sweepers.
Clauses: Standard OM clauses
Annilhape
Arceus (All Forms)
Calyrex-Shadow
Calyrex-Ice
Chi-Yu
Chien-Pao
Dialga
Dialga-Origin
Eternatus
Giratina
Giratina-Origin
Groudon
Koraidon
Kyogre
Magearna
Miraidon
Palafin
Palafin-Hero
Palkia
Palkia-Origin
Rayquaza
Zacian
Zacian-Crowned
Zamazenta
Zamazenta-CrownedArena Trap
Shadow TagShed Tail
Last RespectsKing's Rock
Setup moves
Terastalization
FAQ
None yet but I'll add some as you guys ask questions.
I think that Linked has a lot more variety and is more interesting in general. Mashing all four moves just seems to chaotic.
Retromons
Premise: Every mechanic/move in game goes to it's earliest known incarnation. excluding bugs but Pokemon learn set. abilities and stats stay the same.
Some notable examples of changes from standard S/V gameplay.
All stats can be maxed out with Ev's
Crits are based off speed.
Hyper beam/equivalents doesn't recharge if it ko's a mon
Explosion/selfdestruct halfs opponents defense but is 130/170 base power
No physical special split'
Recovery Moves have there old PP
Wigglytuff and Clefairy are just normal types.
Sleep Talk can call rest and restore your hp
Only one layer of spikes.
Whirlwind/Roar fail
All abilities will be put to there earliest equivalent.
Drizzle, Drought and Sand Stream are permanent.
Intimidate is not blocked by inner focus.
Oblivious does not block Taunt
Shadow Tag can trap other shadow tag users and ghosts (Wobbufet if released in game will be banned from holding leftovers)
Snow warning is permanent
Steel resists ghost and dark types.
Prankster can affect dark types.
Same type status Immunity
High crit moves always crit.
Haze clears status conditions.
knock off is 20 base power and special.
defog doesn't clear hazards or screens
Terrain gives a 1.5x boost
Aerielate/Pixilate gives a 1.5x boost.
Gems boost damage by 1.5x (Only gem available is normal)
Pokemon have natdex learnsets (Including dexited moves if allowed)
Pursuit is special
These are just a few of the notable mechanics/moves that would be changed.
Some notable sets/mons that would be on the radar.
Zoroark-Hisui @ Choice Specs
Ability: Illusion
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Ghost/Dark
Timid Nature
- Shadow Ball/Dark Pulse
- Flamethrower
- Sludge Bomb/Focus Blast
- U-turn
Zoroark is interesting/may potentially need to be banned because with no team preview, it can easily come in and Ko/sweep a weakened team with the one turn of set up it gets for free.
Azelf @ Focus Sash/Normal Gem
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Steel
Naive Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Psychic
- Taunt
- Explosion
Lead Azelf will be back. with rapid spin/mortal spin being the only way to remove hazards, it will be one of the best leads in the game. Not only that but with Gen 1 explosion, while not hitting as hard in gen 2 onwards, it's still using essentially a 340 base power move.
Gholdengo @ Covert Cloak/Heavy-Duty-Boots/Leftovers
Ability: Good as Gold
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Fighting
Timid Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Shadow Ball
- Make It Rain
- Recover
Gholdengo now becomes and even better spin-blocker. Due to knock off no longer hitting it hard from the likes of great tusk/having maxed ev's. However, with only one layer of spikes, SR and gen 1 poison/badly poisoned being available it also becomes less valuable as well.
Dragapult @ Choice Specs
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Ghost
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Thunderbolt/Hydro Pump
- Flamethrower
- U-turn
Dragapult @ Choice Band
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 252 Att / 4 Spa / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Ghost
Timid Nature
- Body Slam
- Shadow Ball
- Flamethrower
- U-turn
Dragapult, will have a ludicrously high crit chance with that speed stat. However, it trades STAB physical Ghost type moves in shadow ball, for special dragon type moves so it might be manageable.
Kingambit @ Lum Berry/Air Baloon
Ability: Supreme Overlord
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Dark
Adamant Nature
- Brick Break
- X-Scissor
- Swords Dance
- Iron Head
A no team preview Kingambit seems terrifying at first... At least until you remember it gets no physical dark stab/sucker punch and thus becomes so much more manageable.
Great Tusk @ Leftovers/Rocky Helmet
Ability: Protosynthesis
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Tera Type: Water
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Ice Spinner/Knock off
- Rapid Spin
Great tusk still continues to be one of/if not the best spinner in the metagame which will be important since defog does nothing in this meta, since entry hazard chip + permanent sand will add up over a long game.
Iron Treads @ Occa Berry/Leftovers/
Ability: Quark Drive
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpD / 8 Spe
Tera Type: Fairy
Careful Nature
- Rest
- Earthquake
- Sleep Talk
- Rapid Spin
The other best spinner in the tier for more defensive teams, with Gen 2 sleep talk mechanics, and steel resisting dragons it will make a good glue for a lot of defensive or balance/bulky offensive teams.
Some things to work out.
Potential bans suchs as Zoroark or Mew who with no team preview/older mechanics can break the game in half.
Voting on whether Tera should be apart of it or banned like other mechanics like Megas's, Z-moves or Dynamax.
How to handle Fairy types with the physical/special split.
Options for that is to make it special like the rest of the eeveelution types.
Or make Fairy type moves uniquely subject to the physical special split.
This is frequently rejected premise—it is far too subjective and complex to work as an OM.
How is it subjective whenever there is a question you just relegate it to the earliest version of that mechanic?
I understand the complexity argument a bit but it's definitely not subjective at all with the exception of the Fairy type which if you wanted objectivity we'd make it able to attack physically or specially.
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The subjective comes in when two things whose earliest versions come from different generations come into conflict. For example:
- In Steel's earliest version, it resisted Psychic, so Steel should be resistant to Psychic.
- In Psychic's earliest version, it was only resisted by itself, so Psychic should not be resisted by Steel.
I'm sure there's better examples than this as I figured it would be very obvious that Steel would resist Psychic.
Since Psychic has never not been resisted by Steel as long as Steel has been around?
Like if ya wanna find subjective things ya can point at much better examples like the aforementioned Fairty type and Physcial Special split.
Since Psychic has never not been resisted by Steel as long as Steel has been around?
Like if ya wanna find subjective things ya can point at much better examples like the aforementioned Fairty type and Physcial Special split.
All of these are subjective choices:
Blast Burn didn't exist in Gen 1, so when it was introduced it always had a recharge turn.
When Jet Punch was first introduced, it was a physical attack.
Abilities did not exist in Gen 1.
Ninetales-Alola never had the ability to set permanent hail. (And on a somewhat related note, there was no point at which hail and snow both existed, but Snow Warning initially set hail while snowscape has always set snow.)
When the Fairy type was first introduced, Wigglytuff and Clefairy had STAB on their Fairy attacks.
The other gems were obtainable when they were first introduced.
Many Pokemon did not have their full natdex learnset when they were first introduced; for instance Charizard did not learn Blast Burn in gen 1.
As you noted, there are several ways that the physical/special split could be reconciled with the Fairy type.
Fair enough I'll take the L
Looking to potentially revive a Gen 8 metagame I started w/ some friends last gen, Broken Record: in which a Pokemon can hold a TR to get the move it contains as a fifth move. TRs are now TMs in Gen 9, but the premise would still work. But given the more dynamic nature of the metagame now with Tera and lessened recovery, a few questions arise:
- Does the vast amount of new TMs (up to 171 from Gen 8's 100 TRs), even with some that won't be used, make the metagame too volatile?
- How should Tera and "Broken-Recorded" moves interact, if at all? Tera Blast by itself has given some Pokemon in OU coverage that has pushed them into brokenness; how much worse would it be when, for example, something could Tera Water and start firing off Hydro Pumps?
I'm happy to hear any thoughts, feedback, or ideas!
- Does the vast amount of new TMs (up to 171 from Gen 8's 100 TRs), even with some that won't be used, make the metagame too volatile?
- How should Tera and "Broken-Recorded" moves interact, if at all? Tera Blast by itself has given some Pokemon in OU coverage that has pushed them into brokenness; how much worse would it be when, for example, something could Tera Water and start firing off Hydro Pumps?
I'm happy to hear any thoughts, feedback, or ideas!
Hello Dratios,
I really liked this OM as it was giving more possibilities for below OU Pokémons to shine (Toxtricity + Ice Beam for example). I don't think the amount of TMs really matter, because when you look at it, even with four moveslots given, there is already a ton of possibilities for one moveset. Pokémons like Iron Valiant or Dragapult are already broken enough with their cover so they won't necessarily need a little help. This could even do previous Knock Off users justice (hey there Demeteros-Therian and Toxapex) ; As for Tera-cristallization, I think it should only work with moves that Pokémons normally learn, and my stupid reason is : the fifth move is existing only because a TM is placed in the itemslot
.Now for those who didn't see I posted an OM suggestion on page 26 and I'm surely not trying to get attention here.
Idk if it has been shared before or not but I am putting this idea here:
Ability Swap
Metagame premise: The abilities of the Pokemon on field (the user and the foe) are swapped.
Potential bans and threats:
no more slow start
no more truant lol probs ban on both
uhh idk, u can use corrosion to your benefit???
Questions for the community:
Q. Will the gained ability change if the foe has switched?
A. Probably will be kept the same that turn, and be in effect after turn has ended. so say, in a toxapex vs lokix (assuming 1v1), lokix gains regen and pex tinted lens. if lokix switches, say, into a blissey, and pex has used surf, pex will keep tinted that turn and after the turn has ended will switch to natural cure from blissey (while bliss gains tinted). lokix keeps regen btw. but again, it all depends on ease of coding. I will be fine with whatever.
Ability Swap
Metagame premise: The abilities of the Pokemon on field (the user and the foe) are swapped.
Potential bans and threats:
no more slow start no more truant lol probs ban on both uhh idk, u can use corrosion to your benefit??? Questions for the community:
Q. Will the gained ability change if the foe has switched?
A. Probably will be kept the same that turn, and be in effect after turn has ended. so say, in a toxapex vs lokix (assuming 1v1), lokix gains regen and pex tinted lens. if lokix switches, say, into a blissey, and pex has used surf, pex will keep tinted that turn and after the turn has ended will switch to natural cure from blissey (while bliss gains tinted). lokix keeps regen btw. but again, it all depends on ease of coding. I will be fine with whatever.
I think the problem with Broken Record is that there just aren't that many options to make it interesting over all the other move based formats specially now that Force of the Fallen took over the 4+ moveslots niche.
I don't think this premise would be interesting enough, the format would most likely play quite similar to OU, and the way PP is either added/removed seems a bit too complex.
This idea has been rejected a few times already, the problem is that teambuilding on this wouldn't be too interesting, is mostly mons with bad abilities that are good anyway like paradoxes, so the mechanic ends not influencing the games that much as everyone plays like they had no ability.Idk if it has been shared before or not but I am putting this idea here:
Ability Swap
Metagame premise: The abilities of the Pokemon on field (the user and the foe) are swapped.
Potential bans and threats:
Questions for the community:
Q. Will the gained ability change if the foe has switched?
A. Probably will be kept the same that turn, and be in effect after turn has ended. so say, in a toxapex vs lokix (assuming 1v1), lokix gains regen and pex tinted lens. if lokix switches, say, into a blissey, and pex has used surf, pex will keep tinted that turn and after the turn has ended will switch to natural cure from blissey (while bliss gains tinted). lokix keeps regen btw. but again, it all depends on ease of coding. I will be fine with whatever.
I can't tell if a metagame is more/less fit than another to be submitted, I'm neither a good strategist nor a gen mechanics obsessive fan to begin with, so while I make sure not to post a "commonly rejected" idea, I can't project it in long term, beyond what I imagined. I would sincerely like to understand what type of OM you (and the council of course) would consider "interesting" and not "too complex" at this point, because a lot of OM with simple changes already emerged within the past few years. I don't think I'm the only one wanting to share OM ideas even though the "non-exploited" part of all Pokémon mechanics has been considerably shrinking.
There isn't an answer to that, just something that twists how the game is played, you can check the kind of formats that have been approved knowing that a new idea has to be distinct from them and distinct to the regular game, if a format has a rule that doesn't make you play in a different way or make new sets possibles, then is not needed.
i'm new here so excuse any mistakes! >.<
RED FLAGS, GREEN FLAGS
Metagame Premise: If you nickname your Pokémon after a move flag (with the expection of contact), moves with that flag gains a 50% boost to its BP (akin to "Strong Jaw" or "Sharpness"). If you put an exclamation mark (!) after the nickname, it will instead gain a 50% damage reduction against those moves.
Example:
By naming your Heracross "multihit", it can relieve the glorious days of its mega form, as all its multihit moves will gain a 50% bonus to their base power!
With access to all 3 elemental fangs and Crunch, Garchomp can access stronger coverage than before if you give it the name "bite"!
I don't know how to make this into the Hisuian variety, but if you give your Samurott the name "pivot!", those U-Turns and Volt Switches will hurt way less, allowing you to keep spamming those spikes.
POTENTIAL THREATS
I'm... not sure. This is the part I suck at. I assume things like Gallade and Kleavor, which already have Sharpness and good attack, as well as anything that can apply the flag bonuses to a wide variety of moves like Iron Thorns (multihit) or Gengar (bullet).
Questions for the community:
-What flags should be banned? Because surely there's something other than contact that will be too much.
-If you haven't noticed yet, this metagame will be very matchup dependant - the same set with a different nickname can change a lot. Is that a good thing, you think?
RED FLAGS, GREEN FLAGS
Metagame Premise: If you nickname your Pokémon after a move flag (with the expection of contact), moves with that flag gains a 50% boost to its BP (akin to "Strong Jaw" or "Sharpness"). If you put an exclamation mark (!) after the nickname, it will instead gain a 50% damage reduction against those moves.
Example:
By naming your Heracross "multihit", it can relieve the glorious days of its mega form, as all its multihit moves will gain a 50% bonus to their base power! With access to all 3 elemental fangs and Crunch, Garchomp can access stronger coverage than before if you give it the name "bite"! I don't know how to make this into the Hisuian variety, but if you give your Samurott the name "pivot!", those U-Turns and Volt Switches will hurt way less, allowing you to keep spamming those spikes.POTENTIAL THREATS
I'm... not sure. This is the part I suck at. I assume things like Gallade and Kleavor, which already have Sharpness and good attack, as well as anything that can apply the flag bonuses to a wide variety of moves like Iron Thorns (multihit) or Gengar (bullet).
Questions for the community:
-What flags should be banned? Because surely there's something other than contact that will be too much.
-If you haven't noticed yet, this metagame will be very matchup dependant - the same set with a different nickname can change a lot. Is that a good thing, you think?
I am new, and I come in peace. That means that this idea is one that comes from a place of pure intrigue. As far as I'm concerned, this is not an attempt to "fix" Pokémon, and therefore, I will only look at this from a neutral perspective.
ALSO, WARNING, THIS IS LOOOOOOOONG.
So...
What if Pokémon had NO randomness?
This means that every move will connect, regardless of accuracy. Every secondary condition will proc, no matter what it is. And- Wait, hold on a moment. Here comes a big, big wall of text.
Here comes Consistentmons, a change to the very core mechanics of the game.
Let's start from the top, shall we?
Removing accuracy, first off, means that practically every single mon will have No Guard as an ability. This is, as that may sound, an insane shift to the metagame in potentially unpredictable ways.
Status moves will be guaranteed to hit their para, burn, or what have you. Spore will no longer be the only feasible sleep tool. Fire Blast, Power Whip, Stone Edge, all the super powerful moves will be able to land without much of a downside.
On the other hand, sometimes inaccurate moves have always been nigh-required in meta sets. Rock slide, stone edge, hydro pump, will-o-wisp, these are examples of core essentials to so many Pokémon and their sets.
However, in battle, there's always a possibility that the answer that you've selected will fail. Not this time. Stone Edge is basically a Rock-Type Earthquake. I'll get into critical hit ratios later.
If every powerful move was allowed to exist without the gamble, that would simply mean that the meta of such a change would shift to accommodate for the coveted consistency of moves landing properly.
Now then, before we move on, we need to talk about OHKO moves.
Just ban 'em, if it's that worrying. That clause has always been there.
So, let's now talk about secondary effects.
There is one choice that will likely completely split the new meta down the very middle.
Should secondary effects that employ randomness ALWAYS proc, or NEVER proc?
There are arguments to be made for both sides of the spectrum.
Perhaps it's necessary to keep less powerful moves relevant, if that is an issue that only leads towards slotting in those perfectly-accurate 120 BP moves.
Then again... What about cases like crunch? What if you could stunlock your opponent with guaranteed flinches, or turn flamethrower into will-o-wisp with 90 BP, or thunderbolt into thunder wave with 90 BP?
What about freeze?
Okay, maybe we can leave out status procs.
But in that case, what about chances to lower or raise stats? Should special and physical stats be bounced around constantly? Should Play Rough be the physical equivalent to Mystical Fire? What about defense and special defense drops?
What about Ancient Power?
Again, these choices would flip the very fundamentals of how battles normally go. They'd be consistent in their chaos, yet chaotic in a different way, now.
This is something I would be interested in watching develop, nonetheless.
Personally, I'd choose to have secondary effects always proc. It's more interesting that way.
Let's move onto more fringe cases, like multi-hits and random abilities.
Should multi-hit moves always hit the average number of times? Or should they always max out?
This is where we run into the demon of Consistentmons, Maushold.
Technician Population Bomb becomes a perfectly consistent 300 BP attack, Wide Lens be damned. 99% accuracy be double-damned. This bastard becomes Normal-Type Last Respects, all the time, with 111 speed, and your only hope is to murder the family before it's too late.
Unless it has Focus Sash.
Or gets run on Mono Cla- Oh right.
Guess we should talk about random items.
Maybe that can be a case-by-case basis, or just be removed entirely. Focus Band obviously won't cut it, of course.
Anyways, back to Maushold and Multi-Hits. Perhaps the average is simply the way to go.
What's the average amount of times Population Bomb will hit? 5?
Well, to answer that, we're gonna need to do some statistics. Bear with me here. Population Bomb's first hit will land nine out of ten times.
That's a 90% chance.
The second hit, then, will hit nine out of ten, only after the previous.
We've gone down to 81%.
Where do we draw the line?
73? 66? 59? 53? 48?
Perhaps it should indeed only be five hits. That makes it a 150 BP move on a Pokémon with rather unsavory attacking stats. Breathe a sigh of relief, for the demon is quelled.
So, about random abilities. Are we really going to say that Flame Body, Poison Point, Static, and all the rest should always proc? Should they never proc?
Shoild your wallbreaker or adjacent need to consider Protective Pads, just to keep Volcarona from breakdancing and blasting everything?
Maybe so.
Now that I think about it, we haven't considered moves and items that switch you or your opponents out.
Perhaps it should just follow team order. That way, you can potentially have consistent answers to any hazard whirlwind sets, before they can get too greedy.
Now then, about status. Sleep, Paralysis, and Freeze. Should Paralysis not stun you at all? Or should it always stun?
I think the answer's clear. Sleep should be shaken off as soon as there's even a chance, as should Freeze. Paralysis only serving as a speed nerf still makes it quite strong.
So, what's left? What other random mechanics exist in Pokémon as a competitive game?
Oh, yes, damage rolls! Should everything be on the high roll, low roll, or square in the middle? Having it always hit the average roll would only be logical. But remember, this choice can change matchups and checks, depending on EVs. OHKO rolls and all that.
Okay fine, let's address random critical hits. I know a game with this mechanic all too well, and it's the biggest meme ever.
Crits in Pokémon, from a game design standpoint, is an answer to overly stally teams. If you take too long to kill your opponent, you risk them smacking you with immense damage through your ×4 defense stack.
Then again, you can also crit them.
Or just never do so on either end.
Now how about that, something a bit more complex at play.
Let's consider this, shall we. From a game design perspective, crits are meant to be a great equalizer to long games. Offensive teams hitting a wall will get as much traction as they risk a tank blasting them in the face.
Consider this. A crit can happen with a 1 in 16 chance. Out of 16 moves, one should crit.
This is where I propose an experimental mechanic. On every 16th turn, both parties should gain a guaranteed crit on their next move. If it's a move eith a high critical hit ratio, or if zoom lens and focus energy is used, that could be cut down to 8 or maybe even every 4 turns! With an item and setup, of course.
If their move on the crit turn doesn't deal damage...
Should they lose it?
Or should they keep it stored for later?
What if you stall 16 more turns with no attack? Can you crit twice in a row?
That would go against the core fundamentals of the mechanic. Let's not.
Anyways, that should be all for my little thought experiment. Remember this, I am not a game designer, nor someone with extensive knowledge of the metagame, to the point where I'd be useful in say, a suspect test discussion.
However, I can say for certain that this would be an alternative metagame to think about. Truly, one of the metas of all time.
ALSO, WARNING, THIS IS LOOOOOOOONG.
So...
What if Pokémon had NO randomness?
This means that every move will connect, regardless of accuracy. Every secondary condition will proc, no matter what it is. And- Wait, hold on a moment. Here comes a big, big wall of text.
Here comes Consistentmons, a change to the very core mechanics of the game.
Let's start from the top, shall we?
Removing accuracy, first off, means that practically every single mon will have No Guard as an ability. This is, as that may sound, an insane shift to the metagame in potentially unpredictable ways.
Status moves will be guaranteed to hit their para, burn, or what have you. Spore will no longer be the only feasible sleep tool. Fire Blast, Power Whip, Stone Edge, all the super powerful moves will be able to land without much of a downside.
On the other hand, sometimes inaccurate moves have always been nigh-required in meta sets. Rock slide, stone edge, hydro pump, will-o-wisp, these are examples of core essentials to so many Pokémon and their sets.
However, in battle, there's always a possibility that the answer that you've selected will fail. Not this time. Stone Edge is basically a Rock-Type Earthquake. I'll get into critical hit ratios later.
If every powerful move was allowed to exist without the gamble, that would simply mean that the meta of such a change would shift to accommodate for the coveted consistency of moves landing properly.
Now then, before we move on, we need to talk about OHKO moves.
Just ban 'em, if it's that worrying. That clause has always been there.
So, let's now talk about secondary effects.
There is one choice that will likely completely split the new meta down the very middle.
Should secondary effects that employ randomness ALWAYS proc, or NEVER proc?
There are arguments to be made for both sides of the spectrum.
Perhaps it's necessary to keep less powerful moves relevant, if that is an issue that only leads towards slotting in those perfectly-accurate 120 BP moves.
Then again... What about cases like crunch? What if you could stunlock your opponent with guaranteed flinches, or turn flamethrower into will-o-wisp with 90 BP, or thunderbolt into thunder wave with 90 BP?
What about freeze?
Okay, maybe we can leave out status procs.
But in that case, what about chances to lower or raise stats? Should special and physical stats be bounced around constantly? Should Play Rough be the physical equivalent to Mystical Fire? What about defense and special defense drops?
What about Ancient Power?
Again, these choices would flip the very fundamentals of how battles normally go. They'd be consistent in their chaos, yet chaotic in a different way, now.
This is something I would be interested in watching develop, nonetheless.
Personally, I'd choose to have secondary effects always proc. It's more interesting that way.
Let's move onto more fringe cases, like multi-hits and random abilities.
Should multi-hit moves always hit the average number of times? Or should they always max out?
This is where we run into the demon of Consistentmons, Maushold.
Technician Population Bomb becomes a perfectly consistent 300 BP attack, Wide Lens be damned. 99% accuracy be double-damned. This bastard becomes Normal-Type Last Respects, all the time, with 111 speed, and your only hope is to murder the family before it's too late.
Unless it has Focus Sash.
Or gets run on Mono Cla- Oh right.
Guess we should talk about random items.
Maybe that can be a case-by-case basis, or just be removed entirely. Focus Band obviously won't cut it, of course.
Anyways, back to Maushold and Multi-Hits. Perhaps the average is simply the way to go.
What's the average amount of times Population Bomb will hit? 5?
Well, to answer that, we're gonna need to do some statistics. Bear with me here. Population Bomb's first hit will land nine out of ten times.
That's a 90% chance.
The second hit, then, will hit nine out of ten, only after the previous.
We've gone down to 81%.
Where do we draw the line?
73? 66? 59? 53? 48?
Perhaps it should indeed only be five hits. That makes it a 150 BP move on a Pokémon with rather unsavory attacking stats. Breathe a sigh of relief, for the demon is quelled.
So, about random abilities. Are we really going to say that Flame Body, Poison Point, Static, and all the rest should always proc? Should they never proc?
Shoild your wallbreaker or adjacent need to consider Protective Pads, just to keep Volcarona from breakdancing and blasting everything?
Maybe so.
Now that I think about it, we haven't considered moves and items that switch you or your opponents out.
Perhaps it should just follow team order. That way, you can potentially have consistent answers to any hazard whirlwind sets, before they can get too greedy.
Now then, about status. Sleep, Paralysis, and Freeze. Should Paralysis not stun you at all? Or should it always stun?
I think the answer's clear. Sleep should be shaken off as soon as there's even a chance, as should Freeze. Paralysis only serving as a speed nerf still makes it quite strong.
So, what's left? What other random mechanics exist in Pokémon as a competitive game?
Oh, yes, damage rolls! Should everything be on the high roll, low roll, or square in the middle? Having it always hit the average roll would only be logical. But remember, this choice can change matchups and checks, depending on EVs. OHKO rolls and all that.
Okay fine, let's address random critical hits. I know a game with this mechanic all too well, and it's the biggest meme ever.
Crits in Pokémon, from a game design standpoint, is an answer to overly stally teams. If you take too long to kill your opponent, you risk them smacking you with immense damage through your ×4 defense stack.
Then again, you can also crit them.
Or just never do so on either end.
Now how about that, something a bit more complex at play.
Let's consider this, shall we. From a game design perspective, crits are meant to be a great equalizer to long games. Offensive teams hitting a wall will get as much traction as they risk a tank blasting them in the face.
Consider this. A crit can happen with a 1 in 16 chance. Out of 16 moves, one should crit.
This is where I propose an experimental mechanic. On every 16th turn, both parties should gain a guaranteed crit on their next move. If it's a move eith a high critical hit ratio, or if zoom lens and focus energy is used, that could be cut down to 8 or maybe even every 4 turns! With an item and setup, of course.
If their move on the crit turn doesn't deal damage...
Should they lose it?
Or should they keep it stored for later?
What if you stall 16 more turns with no attack? Can you crit twice in a row?
That would go against the core fundamentals of the mechanic. Let's not.
Anyways, that should be all for my little thought experiment. Remember this, I am not a game designer, nor someone with extensive knowledge of the metagame, to the point where I'd be useful in say, a suspect test discussion.
However, I can say for certain that this would be an alternative metagame to think about. Truly, one of the metas of all time.
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This existed in the past under the name of Haxmons https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/haxmons-playable-on-aqua.3500287/
You don't qualify to lead a format tho, as your account doesn't have enough posts.
This seems like an ok idea, not too exited about it, feels like balancing it may be a lost cause, and not sure if there are enough flags in the game to make it not repetitive.i'm new here so excuse any mistakes! >.<
RED FLAGS, GREEN FLAGS
Metagame Premise: If you nickname your Pokémon after a move flag (with the expection of contact), moves with that flag gains a 50% boost to its BP (akin to "Strong Jaw" or "Sharpness"). If you put an exclamation mark (!) after the nickname, it will instead gain a 50% damage reduction against those moves.
Example:
POTENTIAL THREATS
I'm... not sure. This is the part I suck at. I assume things like Gallade and Kleavor, which already have Sharpness and good attack, as well as anything that can apply the flag bonuses to a wide variety of moves like Iron Thorns (multihit) or Gengar (bullet).
Questions for the community:
-What flags should be banned? Because surely there's something other than contact that will be too much.
-If you haven't noticed yet, this metagame will be very matchup dependant - the same set with a different nickname can change a lot. Is that a good thing, you think?
Maybe not lead, but I'd at the very least want to see something like it happen. I read over the Haxmons exact ruleset, and it does seem a little different in execution, but it also seems quite interesting and would be pretty cool if it returned.
DARTSMON : Highest Score
Metagame Premise :
Single battle 3v3, 9 turns. Inspired from the original darts game, you'll have to get the highest score to win, which is the total of HP removed from the opponent's team.
Functioning :
Each pokémon will both throw and receive "darts" (as a dartboard) which means they're gonna use three different moves while getting the opponent's ones. As one move is used per turn, each Pokémon have to stay in battle for three turns. When that's done, they're switched by force with the next one, and the operation is repeated. Then, at the end of the ninth turn, the sum of removed HP from both corners will be compared. The one with the highest score wins.
Clauses :
HP Count Clause : A count is displayed at both players' side, showing the total amount of HP removed during the game ;
Round Clause : Pokémons are switched by force to the next one every rounds of three turns, and you can't switch them yourself during these ones ;
Dart Clause : Pokémons must have at least three different moves in their moveset. Once used, they're permanently disabled ;
Level Clause : All Pokémon must be at level 100.
Smogon-wide Clauses.
Strategy :
In this metagame, you can win even if all your Pokémons faint, because the amount of HP lost in your team can still be inferior to the opponent's. Whether they hit hard or whistand well, Pokemons with low base HP will be much appreciated since they minimize the global harm.
Bans :
Pokemons : Arceus (all forms), Calyrex-Ice, Calyrex-Shadow, Dialga (both forms), Eternatus, Giratina (both forms), Groudon, Koraidon, Kyogre, Mewtwo, Miraidon, Palafin (both forms), Palkia (both forms), Rayquaza, Zacian-Crowned, Zamazenta-Crowned ;
Moves : Baton Pass, Circle Throw, Dragon Tail, Encore, Flip Turn, Healing Wish, Lunar Dance, Memento, Parting Shot, Petal Dance, Raging Fury, Rest, Roar, Whirlwind, Trash, U-Turn, Volt-Switch ;
Items : Choice Band, Choice Scarf, Choice Specs, Eject Button, Eject Pack, Red Card.
Watchlist :
Abilitiy : Regenerator ;
Moves : Destruction, Explosion, Final Gambit, Wish.
Increased Viability :
Dugtrio-Alola
fits well as a lead in this metagame, as it can set up Stealth Rocks first turn, slow down physical attackers with Tangling Hair, then dealing great damages with Earthquake/Iron Head ; for a minimum of 110 HP, its dual type, coupled with Ghost tera-cristal, and its speed, offer an interesting counter-measure against spinners such as Great Tusk or Glimmora.Spiritomb
Decreased Viability :
Dodonzo
Q&A :
Q1 : What happens when a Pokémon faints before the third turn ?
A1 : The "unused darts" will be counted as used and the switch will be forced, as if the third turn passed.
Q2 : What happens when a Pokémon use a n-turns (n>1) move ?
A2+N : The move is cancelled at the end of the turn, unless, in a possible case, a Power Herb is used.
Note : Future Sight and Wish are exceptions since they don't prevent Pokémons from using their other moves.
Q3 : Are recoil/life orb damages part of the HP count process ?
A3 : No, they aren't. However, residual effects are.
Q4 : What happens when my Pokémon with Regenerator switch out at the end of the round ?
A4 : It'll take back 1/3 of HP. A subtraction will also occur to the opponent's HP count, equal to the HP recovered.
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