Depends on how this is accessed. If it's accessed via held item then it's a simple matter of just banning the held item and then normal tera is unaffected.
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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v2 [Update on Post #5186]
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So it may just be me but it seems like the new moves are very much designed to stymie popular VGC Pokemon. Priority users like Tornadus, Tera Normal Dragonite etc. And given it mentions healing from abilities probably it stops things like Rillaboom's Grassy Surge or Amoonguss' Regenerator. Also I can see VGC players yelling internally with the additions of Incineroar, Smeargle and Venusaur.
It stops items too, so no leftovers and healing berries for probably 5 turns. GF is big anti big stall.
It could be broken but it could also be pretty tame (see gmaxes just being dmaxes but with One move changed) or even not a good option, wouldn't be the first time they made upgraded formes that are just bad
Different ways to handle tera have always been considered, it’s one of the principles of the council this gen. So no values would be shifting if it was just this tera type being excluded.
Iron Crown might be DOA. Steel/Psychic matches up very poorly vs many targets like Gholdengo, Gambit, Dragapult, etc. w/o much offensive benefit. Its signature move doesn't seem bad though.
Raging Bolt's Electric Dragon Typing seems a fair bit more useful. Thunderclap is an Electric-type priority move, which will be useful vs some key targets like Tera Flying Gambit, Urshifu, Enamorus, etc.
Upper Hand could be interesting as counterplay to E-Speed D-Nite / Gambit, but it seems extremely weak based off the trailer. I'm guessing its meant to be used as a disrupting tool in doubles and will have very niche use in singles.
Raging Bolt's Electric Dragon Typing seems a fair bit more useful. Thunderclap is an Electric-type priority move, which will be useful vs some key targets like Tera Flying Gambit, Urshifu, Enamorus, etc.
Upper Hand could be interesting as counterplay to E-Speed D-Nite / Gambit, but it seems extremely weak based off the trailer. I'm guessing its meant to be used as a disrupting tool in doubles and will have very niche use in singles.
I'll second that it's sig is actually pretty nutty. I was doing some speculative calcs just for funsies using a stat-flipped Iron Leaves for Crown's stats (so 130 SpA), since that isn't terribly unlikely to end up being the case. Working off that assumption, the bare minimum BP Tachyon Cutter would have be to KO Mimikyu through Disguise assuming 0 IVs on both ends is 65, but that's an extremely low chance still so 70 would be more likely. With 31 IVs on both ends that jumps to the 70-75 range.
Of course Crown could just end up have a mammoth SpA stat and Tachyon Cutter could be a more reasonable BP for a move of it's caliber, but still the idea of a 75BP double hit attack that can't miss is just wild.
I did think it was a bit strange that it outright KO'd Mimikyu on the second hit. That bodes well for its BP (or its special attack)!
If it's a special attacker, it could make use of that Psychic Noise move too to troll mons like Cresselia.
On that topic;
Also did some calcs for the other two generic moves. Psychic Noise is probably in the range of 50-60 like the other dogshit moves they made this gen that they expected to be used more despite how weak they are ie; Pounce n shit. Upper Hand is in the 40-50 range which makes sense given that it is Fake Out adjacent. Some other things confirmed by the website is that Upper Hand fails if the target doesn't use a prio move. Thunderclap is basically Sucker Punch in how it functions and will likely be similar in BP.
lol i am crying
unfortunately it will be something to use to transform the monkey and the turtle, used by a "normal" pokemon it will be like tera normal, probably has no resisted or super effective hits but nothing more, like the old ??? typing of curse
rather than act on tera they will suspect all the users of the new typing
started yesterday night and is by far the first time i have fun playing gen 9, nice little metagame, very sad to wait 2 minutes for finding a battle in the ladder
the nu leaders also seem a lot more friendly, actually enjoying what they do rather than be constantly aggressive
Good. We don’t need another game breaking psychic move. Everybody stop using dark and ghost types and just click switch instead of uturn. Together we can make psychic types viable without stored power or psychic noise cheese.
What the FUCK is Aurora type?
This 100% gets tera banned if anything can get this omnitype, because any game balance tera may have had is just completely thrown out the window
Yeah Iron Crown kinda looks like a fast special attacking steel type, won't be the best offensive type for the top mons, but if it gets some good coverage it will probably be OU. Bascially mini mega metagross, but a special attacker. Also having a steel type that doesn't fear tusk, and can deal with valiant more easily is big.
However I feel like Raging Bolt might be a slow bulky electric dragon that is reliant on thunderclap to outspeed things, feels like it could be OU or just a really good priority killer in UU. Electric/Dragon is insane but it doesn't look like a speedy mon at all
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I actually do like those moves like Chilling Water and Pounce, and I think the effect of Psychic Noise of outright stopping healing is really powerful & unique. I see it getting a lot more general use since it'll be useful vs your average defensive mon like Toxapex.
If Upper Hand only works on priority moves, it is DOA. I was really hoping that it would still deal damage if the opponent didn't use a priority move, but I guess that was asking for too much.
Why would it get Tera banned? We literally have no idea what it does. Its not an omni-type since its only hitting Dragonite for neutral damage.
I don't even care if these end up being really good but the new moves they showed really pissed me off
Like what Pokemon really needed apparently was more priority? And a move that is an attack and Heal Block? It's not even gonna be that good but for fuck's sake, why. Why. The game does NOT NEED TO BE FASTER. It is already blazing fast.
We need more Recovery moves, less priority, less Pokemon that only check each other with Priority. Like we are not far off from deadass Rock Paper Scissors priority move lmao.
Priority isn't even a singles issue, SV VGC has like a bajillion priority users. Everything has tk get priority nowadays, it's insane.
Like what Pokemon really needed apparently was more priority? And a move that is an attack and Heal Block? It's not even gonna be that good but for fuck's sake, why. Why. The game does NOT NEED TO BE FASTER. It is already blazing fast.
We need more Recovery moves, less priority, less Pokemon that only check each other with Priority. Like we are not far off from deadass Rock Paper Scissors priority move lmao.
Priority isn't even a singles issue, SV VGC has like a bajillion priority users. Everything has tk get priority nowadays, it's insane.
Wait I just realized shaymin is back, which means darkrai and manaphy are back most likely.
Does this mean that shaymin-sky and darkrai are likely gonna be OU tested? I mean, they both seem like they would be worth testing in a crazy meta like this.
Does this mean that shaymin-sky and darkrai are likely gonna be OU tested? I mean, they both seem like they would be worth testing in a crazy meta like this.
Serperior with a good Tera Blast sounds like it could be fun to use. I mean Serp's lack of strong coverage was probably it's biggest issue.
What exactly are you expecting them to positively contribute? Another dark type breaker in a sea of them? A mon who thrives on good rng? Not sure what the rationale is here other than wanting ou to get even worse than it is now, which…. yeah thatd be funny im for it
Just run quick claw on every mon in your team to out-priority their priority. Obviously.
(Seriously though, I would say priority isn't that big of a problem rn in OU. It's only used usually on Gambit, Gren, DNite, Samu-H, Azu and sometimes (rarely Bax and Cind) This priority is pretty weak (apart from Gambit's Sucker Punch which is a problem bc Supreme Overlord).
The fact that neither of them would be broken ?
But Aurora Tera probably isn’t that bad if you end up as everytype as once and have a rock weakness and neutral to a lot of really common attacking types.
The SV OU thread when a new broken Uber for them to suggest dropping into OU is released
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