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it could theorerically mean november. "winter" stretches as far back as mid-november in marketing language sometimesView attachment 561944
Winter 2023 means it could come as soon as december and as late as march.
Although it seems like even then there's a chance it could be pushed back.
Thank you very much for this set, it's just the right amount of grass for my theme team! It just hard wallsso much.I'd like to put a spotlight on arboliva. I dont think I've ever seen this pokemon considered for OU, even at release, however let me make a case for its usefulness in the absence of other bulky grass types *cough* *cough*. Almost all sets use seed sower. Its a cool ability, not bad, but rillaboom does grassy terrain better, and since this isnt an offensive set that can outdamage the recovery, giving the opponent passive healing isnt helpful either.
In which case i present Harvest Arboliva
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Ahem wrong one sorry.
@ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Harvest
Tera Type: water
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Leech Seed/ substitute
- Strength Sap
- Hyper Voice/ energy ball
- Earth Power
+2 252 Atk Wellspring Mask Ogerpon-Wellspring Ivy Cudgel vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Arboliva: 143-168 (39.7 - 46.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+1 252+ Atk Tera Normal Dragonite Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Arboliva: 169-201 (46.9 - 55.8%) -- 75.4% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Supreme Overlord 5 allies fainted Kingambit Kowtow Cleave vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Arboliva: 181-214 (50.2 - 59.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Basculegion Wave Crash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Arboliva in Rain: 168-198 (46.6 - 55%) -- 69.5% chance to 2HKO
(Calculator doesnt know how to factor in berries, these are never a 2hko)
Normal typing doesnt do us much favours here, aisde from ghost immunity, ie poltergeist. without it youd take on zamazenta but alas. strength sap is the biggest part of this set as it pushes these pokemon well out of ko range and buys extra turns for harvest to kick in. leech seed allows you to 1v1 gliscor. Earth power smacks kingambit for 55% and can hit gholdengo in a pinch although thats not a favourable matchup. Hyper voice is interesting as i see a lot of substitute in this meta and it deals a lot of damage through sub. Energy ball is an alternative if youd rather break subs than hit through them, but its not ideal, hyper voice hits most things harder.
Yes i only saved one replay. I'm busy and lazy, but this isnt a rare occurence, you can take my word for it
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1964830671
not an A rank pokemon by any means but certainly has a place in OU VR for the time being
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Winter 2023 means it could come as soon as december and as late as march.
Although it seems like even then there's a chance it could be pushed back.
I take the 2023 part to mean actual 2023. If it had a good shot of releasing in 2024 I think they could have said several other things to convey that. That plus the fact the current VGC rule set shifts in December makes me think the shift will be to allow the DLC2 Pokémon in. If I were to make a bet it would be mid December that the DLC drops.
Gliscor can't do anything to Air Balloon Glimmora, which is by no means a common set but still a perfectly fine one. Greninja gets it out with the threat of a Battle Bond sweep. A-Ninetales also forces it out while potentially giving you Aurora Veil for your troubles. Gliscor can't deal with the latter two unless it uses Tera, and forcing Tera from your opponent is a form of progress. G-Slowking can also pack Ice Beam for it and live an Earthquake.Question for the people voting against suspecting / banning Gliscor: how do you deal with this thing?
You might be able to Defog against Gliscor's Spikes without Gholdengo in the mix, but at best that leaves you in a stalemate unless you're running Ice Tera Blast for some reason. Neither of you can do anything against one another, meaning that neither side is making any progress and it turns into a game of chicken. I suppose you can outlast Protect's PP thanks to Pressure, but Poison Heal alone heals titanic chunks of any Brave Bird damage it was dealt away. Every other hazard remover either is slammed by Earthquake or ruined by Toxic. Corviknight (and the even nicher Galarian Weezing) is it. For a utility mon that's so good at halting your progress, it's extremely good at forcing progress.
a survey's about to drop and i suppose we all want to get our opinions out before the voting starts so we have the highest chance of influencing people to vote one way or another (everyone please vote 5 on gambit, i don't even care about the other stuff as long as you vote 5 on gambit, we need to get it right this time)I'm really sorry bc I don't wanna be that guy, but I'm on holidays and have just skimmed through the thread. Did a new survey drop or why is everyone dropping their ratings on certain mons?
Gliscor can't do anything to Air Balloon Glimmora, which is by no means a common set but still a perfectly fine one. Greninja gets it out with the threat of a Battle Bond sweep. A-Ninetales also forces it out while potentially giving you Aurora Veil for your troubles. Gliscor can't deal with the latter two unless it uses Tera, and forcing Tera from your opponent is a form of progress. G-Slowking can also pack Ice Beam for it and live an Earthquake.
me when zapdos gets defog and i switch in, take like 35%, click recover, nasty plot, recover, start threatening their entire team
0 SpA Zapdos Hurricane vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Tera Ghost Gholdengo: 154-183 (40.7 - 48.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
which is already unreliable because 70% accuracy btw. you could go offensive which would be a much better matchup, at the consequence of you zapdos being mid
252 SpA Zapdos Hurricane vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Tera Ghost Gholdengo: 189-223 (50 - 58.9%) -- 76.2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
same with moltres but with tera
"erm actually tera means it is weak to spin"
imo if you want to use ghold mainly as something for hazard stack, running tera ghost is the play like 80% of the time. steel causes like almost all of the problems with its matchups in this way. Lose EQ weakness, Fire weakness, etc.
ghost isn't the best defensive typing but all your ghold has to do in this case is do that job properly
0 SpA Moltres Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Tera Ghost Gholdengo: 127-150 (33.5 - 39.6%) -- 26.7% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery (you can also run your own HDB if you want to make it more consistent against opposing hstack)
and now that mon also can't defog on it, it also loses to nasty plot recover set.
ok, so you uturn out on it, sure. like corviknight can, but i digress. pursuit doesn't exist so gholdengo just switches out, and then comes back in when moltres does.
so what else could feasibly get defog and beat this set? lando t? which would also get owned by the same set?
232+ Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tera Ghost Gholdengo: 144-169 (38 - 44.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
even adamant lando t becomes setup fodder to, by the way, the exact same set ive been talking about this entire time. one single set that is viable RIGHT NOW, and is also viable against all of the hazard control. right now.
with tera + its movepool + adequate stats, gholdengo will always be able to craft a set to beat, if not basically all hazard control in the tier at the same time, at least most of it, making it at best a toss up with gholdengo around.
it is NOT a distribution problem. It is a Gholdengo problem. sometimes you simply do have to ban good glue pokemon because what they do for the tier is also really bad, which is unfortunate, but we don't control what they give us
tera is like 90% of the problem with gholdengo but it's not on the table soOr blame Tera.
:)
If you live in Canada, winter is anywhere between October and april (sometimes even may or September) TT-TTit could theorerically mean november. "winter" stretches as far back as mid-november in marketing language sometimes
Regulation E doesn't end until January 2nd 2024, if we were to take VGC Regulations as the means to knowing when they happen, we'd still have to wait until January 3rd at minimum.
Might as well post my own thoughts. I've got nothing better to do
3/5, could go to 4/5: The endless. It's like gen 3 skarmory but again more evil. Unkillable wall that can force progress or get free spikes anyways. He's definitely a problem, the last thing we need in our lives is another spikes setter, but I feel like if gholdengo is banished then it'll feel more manageable. Maybe. I could be totally off the mark with that. Really, I need him gone so I can use non tusk/gliscor ground types.
Do you think that any of the banned pokemon could be (at least temporarily) unbanned when the new dlc comes out?
If yes do you think that palafin or landorus could have been 2 of them?
I really want see landorous even for a few days.
chillax, I'm not good or patient enough to get reqs. I also acknowledged that it could still be broken even after a hypothetical gholdengo ban. I don't think me specifically picking between a 3 or a 4 is going to change the outcome of a gliscor suspect. For your sake, I will officially bump it up to a 4/5 because lol infinite hp glitch.Not only is it not what the tiering survey is measuring, it's also how we get results like DNB Gambit! "I'm voting not to ban this broken Pokémon because I think sometching else should be banned instead" please do not do this!
Might as well post my own thoughts. I've got nothing better to do
4/5: If there's any pokemon to fight one billion lions, I'd place my bets into this one. Imagine 1015 fallen allies.
I'm sad that so many people dislikes Gliscor. I also don't understand why people give it grief over the state of hazards. I've been seeing complaints over Gholdengo and the state of hazards way before Gliscor ever appeared. Plus, I find Glimmora to be far more hazardous for the tier (har). As in, if hazards are the issue, that is where I think we should start.
I understand. I'm not gonna pretend like Gliscor isn't the best at the hazards game. But if action is being taken, Glimorra should be right up there, before even Hammurot.Gliscor basically just accentuates the hazard problem tenfold since he can setup any hazard you want/need him to (safe from webs), and that he's EXTREMELY consitent with fucking over any remover not named corv (Corv is rather passive in the face of half the meta, hell any powerful special attackerjust blows it up in 2 turns)