Garg is broken. Make no mistake about it. Its usage is low because the meta titans right now force the Tera commitment. When they get banned Garg will become a problem. Unless we address the elephant in the room.
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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v3
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Garg is broken. Make no mistake about it. Its usage is low because the meta titans right now force the Tera commitment. When they get banned Garg will become a problem. Unless we address the elephant in the room.
Yeah Pex and Lando-T were far lower on the high ladder, when Tornadus-T ended up being used a lot more in high ladder than low ladder
Weird usage anomalies all around this month
on a more serious note, do you guys think banning gliscor would drastically improve landorus-T? i find lando to be very solid still, and the VR echoes this belief. but even then its at a low point it hasnt experienced since ORAS OU iirc and even then i think it was still better in ORAS than it is now. how much of it do yall think is part in due to gliscor having a stranglehold on the metagame and do you think banning it would bring landorus back to where it was pre-DLC?
weird, I was under the impression that garganacl would return to OU now that ursaluna blood moon got banned.
I guess this must be because there are 15 pokemon on the tier that can hit it super effectively with STAB.
I guess this must be because there are 15 pokemon on the tier that can hit it super effectively with STAB.
Garg's issue is that it is a bit too passive (or rather, the structures its good on are a bit too passive), which is not a good trait in this metagame. It thankfully does solid vs Gholdengo with Tera, but gets owned by other passive punishers like Ogerpon and Manaphy, which is not ideal, though those guys thankfully can't safely switch in. Most Garg need to run Boots in this meta due to Spikes being common and it having bad defensive synergy with most of the common Hazard removal barring Corv, who still works fine enough, but is also fairly passive.
I still think Garg is a good Pokemon, and it has some new tech it can run like Tera Flying Curse Block to destroy Gliscor or Curse Heavy Slam to beat Clefable, but it can be hard to build a good Garganacl team that isn't also extremely passive.
If ghold isn't banned in DLC, then lando-t better get defog
You will get 20 more spikers
You will get 20 more rockers
You will get more buffs on Gholdengo
You will only get 6 more defoggers, all of them lose hardcore to dengo (and they suck ass)
You will only get 6 more Rapid Spinners, all of them lose hardcore to dengo (and they suck ass)
You will be forced to play either bootspam hstack or HO for the rest of the gen
You will be forced to use corviknight and cope about it being more than C- overrated outlaw mud show bullshit goofy ass unusable garbage electivire in DPP OU levels of noob bait
You will get 3 more unaware users and 3 stupid breakers
You will ban tera
YOU WILL BE HAPPY
You will get 20 more rockers
You will get more buffs on Gholdengo
You will only get 6 more defoggers, all of them lose hardcore to dengo (and they suck ass)
You will only get 6 more Rapid Spinners, all of them lose hardcore to dengo (and they suck ass)
You will be forced to play either bootspam hstack or HO for the rest of the gen
You will be forced to use corviknight and cope about it being more than C- overrated outlaw mud show bullshit goofy ass unusable garbage electivire in DPP OU levels of noob bait
You will get 3 more unaware users and 3 stupid breakers
You will ban tera
YOU WILL BE HAPPY
this is actually diabolical, grassy terrain is straight up better than most weather
I feel like ghold is only good b/c gliscor is super meta rn, w/o gliscor i feel like ghold will fall off
Ghold has been excellent since day one. What
You know, it would be hilarious to see Gliscor be unbanned for being buffed. It being a reliable defogger itself.
I kind of wish Gliscor would be banned specifically for this scenario alone.
If Gli, and only Scor, got defog in DLC2 without being banned beforehand, would it be broken or would it be glue
I don't know if it will affect much, honestly. Lando is okay at setting rocks and has Intimidate. It doesn't have Gliscor's recovery or ability to run Spikes/TSpikes as well, or even options like Knock off. Even though they're similar with the same typing, Gliscor is just on paper capable of so much more that I don't think it's possible for Lando to take over or mimic its role. The movepool cuts have pigeonholed Lando into just a few specific roles. Capable roles, but still.
Drastically? Nah, I don't think so. Despite Lando-T still being a good Rocks setter, Gliscor is on a whole different level in terms of match progression. I would compare it more to the defensive Lando sets of the previous gens, back when it still had Toxic and Knock Off, both of which significantly improved its utility. Now Lando is simply outmatched by other popular Ground-types that fit a better niche in the meta, depending on what you need. If you want a good Hazard setter you'd probably pick Gliscor (obv), Tusk or Ting-Lu over it, since they have more options in their arsenal (Tusk is the best Spinner in the meta, Gliscor is broken with Toxic and Spikes, and Ting-Lu has Spikes and Ruination which automatically makes it a good pick). I think Lando would be drastically better IF it still had both Defog and Knock Off in its movepool, since it would be able to hit Dengo hard and it could also set up Rocks. Hell, I'd say it would even be in the top 5. Right now, I just personally don't feel like using it as much as before, so I guess we'll have to wait and see if the DLC gives it something nice.
Honestly probably more like glue.
Spikes Gliscor can’t really do much against Defog Gliscor besides hope to Knock Off Toxic Orb before activation. And Gholdengo can only Tera Flying to stop Gliscor from Defogging as it can KO with Earthquake.
I was using Tera Poison, Steel seems better.
Goddamnit, I was prepared to post the Celtics Shaq image the picosecond that the Lando drop announcement happened.
Gliscor is finally being suspected.
I bet that the results pf the voting are going to be almost as one-sided as ursaluna blood moon's voting.
I bet that the results pf the voting are going to be almost as one-sided as ursaluna blood moon's voting.
it's that time again
38 | Empoleon | 4.16091%
Sad for my boy :(
I've been using this set :
Empoleon @ Expert Belt
Ability: Competitive
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Grass Knot
- Agility
It's really been working for me as an impromptu gliscor check/late-game sweeper, but I'll also try anything to make my boy feel fun to use.
Sad for my boy :(
I've been using this set :
Empoleon @ Expert Belt
Ability: Competitive
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Grass Knot
- Agility
It's really been working for me as an impromptu gliscor check/late-game sweeper, but I'll also try anything to make my boy feel fun to use.
And the Dengo suspect will still not happen
im tired of the corv slander. its FINE and VIABLE. us corv truthers will not be silenced
I'm totally fine with the last 2 lmao
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