this is the speech of a madman that Lost to glisc due to the lack of special attackers in its team. really, tinglu imo is better at setting hazards but gliscor And dengo are gpod in hazards stack. ghold IS the problem here, And everyone saying otherwise should reconsider And take an objective look Not only a "gliscor is bad, it beats my fav mon, my fav mon is sudowoodo" so I think glisc Will be A/A+ in the vr MAXIMUM After ghold ban.
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Yeah I guess tera's mostly negative impact does lead to some positive impacts, at least because some pretty otherwise bad pokemon can get anti meta stuff
master duel format would still suck shit even without the adventure package, but you're right about what we're here to talk about.
this format sucks shit
the fact that the pro-gliscor camp is making arguments like this is proof that the mon needs to go
I don't want to post a one liner but like, What you mean?
I'll take my chances with Soft Sand Cryogonal, thanks.
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your argument states that people who want gliscor banned are idiots who can't figure out their way around it, are incapable of being objective, and run sudowoodo in ou. is that really the best you can bring to the table? accusing the vast majority of qualified survey voters of bias? do you believe that there's some sort of vast hidden conspiracy to unjustly ban gliscor and keep gholdengo? to paraphrase your own words, "what else do you believe? that nobody landed on the moon, that earth is flat, that crocodiles rule the world?"
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To be fair, pre-DLC1 there was a pretty hefty opportunity cost to running moon. As a physical dragon dancer that liked tera, it competed with Baxcalibur. As a physical dark sweeper that liked tera it competed with Gambit. Some teams could afford to stack multiples of these mons but there were many that couldn’t.
Knock was huge for moon because it let it reliably punish switchins, particularly to remove rocky helmets from mons like Dozo/Corv or lefties/boots from Gambit, making them easier to deal with either immediately or later in the game.
it's true, that third ice hammer really sells it
Id recomend everyone reading this to test natdex, a meta Witithout ghold, or at least watch replays, to understand How bad the argument was. gliscor is a consustent hazard setter that can spread status And koff the opponent, While Not being so passive thanks to eq. this, is gliscor, okay? I Cant gET Why people sAY gliscor is Good Cause it has many sets And a large movepool when offensive sets are Simply outclassed in this meta? Ban gholdengo would unironically fix the meta, If you want a more balanced neta, alongside With ursa-b And sneasler mostly. The issue is The playerbase that cannot think about long-term as they Have Never did, And The fact that gliscor is a cool mon so it is more exploited than others. ghold dodging a ban would be sign of a playerbase that maybe needs more knowledge of The meta or maybe a sign that reqs should be higher (no offense) to Have The advice of experienced players. But, again, expériences players may Not want what's better for The metaas they'd want to abuse their toy to be Even higher on ladder. I think surveys should Not be a way for The playerbase to decide as The playerbase is objectively flawed(no offense) And I think more power should be given to the council as I did contested bans the council made before realising it was the right décision.
I like the use of Hyper Cutter here. This will be great for when Gliscor uses its famous ability Intimidate.
Didn't I already point out why this is stupid not 24 hours ago? Natdex is an OM with extremely different rules, power level, available options, tiering philosophy, people running it, people playing it,and basically everything else. You can use it to get a really, really, really broad strokes impression of how something might work in OU, but the meta is so different that it's incomparable.
Volcarona is Natdex UU last I checked, but here it's Ubers. Is it the OU playerbase's fault for not adapting to it then?
NatDex isn't even an OM. It's a PetMod in denial, using mechanics and mons who were never supposed to interact. That's how we get nightmares like Dragapult with Z-Moves.
list of defoggers in natdex ou, according to the 1630 stats:
- lando-t
- mega scizor
- zapdos
- tapu koko
- gliscor its own fucking self
- moltres
- corviknight
- pelipper
- rotom-wash
- if we want to include other defoggers on the vr that aren't in natdex ou by usage, we can also add kartana, tornadus-therian, serperior, tapu fini, ribombee, empoleon, hydreigon, skarmory, mega latias, mega latios, and hawlucha
- blaziken, dragonite, and the megazards also have access to defog but never run it because natdex is up to its fucking eyeballs in defoggers, to the point where 80% of gliscors don't even bother running spikes
- corviknight
- maybe mandibuzz?
- galarian weezing and scizor would at least be on the vr
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That speaks to Smogon's culture IMO. To many people, designating NatDex as either positions it as "illegitimate", in-spite of it literally by definition being illegitimate.
it's too different to be an om, so the om forum doesn't want it, and the people who designed natdex wanted people to actually play it so they didn't put it under the pet mods forum
I agree with this general sentiment but I feel like people are counting out our boy Scizor as a defogger, esp when there are two prominent frail as shit fast fairy types being used on quite a number of teams that do not appreciate Technician Bullet Punch.
speaking of this, shoutout to the brave soul using BANDED HYPER CUTTER GLISCOR. this is not a shitpost, someone i faced a few hours ago lead with this.
that's true, but i initially was thinking only of "ou by usage". extending it to things like scizor that are viable but not ou by usage actually strengthens my point because natdex has a bunch of other defoggers sitting in uu and below that are still on the ou vr there. you end up with something like 20 viable defoggers in natdex altogether and maybe 4 in ou
I play sticky web Cause my fav mon is gallade. You expect me to be a top tier? My peak was like 1650
Something to keep in mind is that whatever hazard situation natdex was going through was SIGNIFICANTLY better than OU's current hazard situation. Even when Ghold was legal, most teams I saw ran 2 boots users at most with maybe a Lando-T or Rotom-W for good measure. I saw very few 6 Boots squads outside of, like, stall maybe. Mons like Rotom-W and Lando-T still would get the Defog off most games, albeit Roton-W had to go a more offensive route with Nasty Plot Hydro Vortex.
if tera is banned, there should be a "dudunsparce clause" that allows dudunsparce to tera anyway
No, this is should be the "Larry Clause", which is that all pure-Normal mons can Tera.
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