SPOILERS! Scarlet & Violet Leaks Thread - Data/Mechanics

In the last big Indigo Disk pre-release datamine, there were assets of a few more rooms in Area Zero, those rooms being reserved for the new Paradox Pokémon, including places to catch Walking Wake and Iron Leaves
I don't think we know anything about the rooms beyond "they exist" and "Area Zero"

We know there's location data for Pokemon, but not what those locations point to in the dex iirc

e: I mean to be clear yeah the Paradoxes are probably in those rooms, but they aren't necessarily reserved for them. For all we know those are rooms dedicated to story stuff and they'll just be silently added to Area Zero's other encounter tables after the fact or something to that effect.
 
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Dipplin2 could still be a caduceus. Just make the caduceus staff the third wyrm.

In the meantime, anyone taking bets on names? I maintain my Cadupplin guess for Dipplin2, and these are my guesses for the likely Paradoxes:
  • Future!Terrakion: "Iron Boulder"
  • Past!Entei: "Burning Lava" or "Blazing Lava"
Man, some of these guesses age poorly.

Dipplin2 is starting to look more like an Orochipplin or an Orchadipplin (Cadupplin isn't that bad a guess as long as some of the wyrms double up on the stem/etc.).

"Iron Boulder" still looks decent to me (although those "Iron Brow" or "Iron Horn"-like guesses are starting to look more attractive), but now I'm switching my Past!Entei guesses to "Surging Lava" or the too-on-the-nose "Surging Fire".
 
Khu said Terapagos ability similar to Neuroforce, “availability wise” which has 2 disturbing implications.
1. That Terapagoses 3rd form (btw it has three forms apparently) has an ability similar to Neuroforce and
2. That Ultra Necrozma could be back
 
Khu said Terapagos ability similar to Neuroforce, “availability wise” which has 2 disturbing implications.
1. That Terapagoses 3rd form (btw it has three forms apparently) has an ability similar to Neuroforce and
2. That Ultra Necrozma could be back
"availability wise" could mean, in the sense of "it's tied to a mechanic that probably won't move forward".
Which considering the gimmick of the generation, the gimmick of Terapagos, and the new tera type...makes sense
 
Khu said: Whos BST is higher, with 2 pictures, one of Terapagos, and one of Arceus
ALL BELOW IS FROM A 4CHAN POST, TAKE WITH A SALT SHAKER
Also, if a leak about the Gen 9 mythical I heard about is real, it could be the first Ice/Poison type, but this was from 4chan I think, so take it with a salt shaker
Also says Terapagos is Normal/Rock
Also said ID release date is 12/14/23, was posted 9/20/23
Also says Ancientei is name Royal Beast (Fire/Dragon)
Futerrakion is named Iron Hooves (Rock/Psychic)
Dokutaro is Poison/Ghost
and last but certainly not least, that "Mythical Pokemon not in dlc" is Ice/Poison
 
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Khu said: Whos BST is higher, with 2 pictures, one of Terapagos, and one of Arceus
ALL BELOW IS FROM A 4CHAN POST, TAKE WITH A SALT SHAKER
Also, if a leak about the Gen 9 mythical I heard about is real, it could be the first Ice/Poison type, but this was from 4chan I think, so take it with a salt shaker
Also says Terapagos is Normal/Rock
Also said ID release date is 12/14/23, was posted 9/20/23
Also says Ancientei is name Royal Beast (Fire/Dragon)
Futerrakion is named Iron Hooves (Rock/Psychic)
Dokutaro is Poison/Ghost
and last but certainly not least, that "Mythical Pokemon not in dlc" is Ice/Poison
Khu confirmed that post was wrong iirc
 
Khu said: Whos BST is higher, with 2 pictures, one of Terapagos, and one of Arceus
ALL BELOW IS FROM A 4CHAN POST, TAKE WITH A SALT SHAKER
Also, if a leak about the Gen 9 mythical I heard about is real, it could be the first Ice/Poison type, but this was from 4chan I think, so take it with a salt shaker
Also says Terapagos is Normal/Rock
Also said ID release date is 12/14/23, was posted 9/20/23
Also says Ancientei is name Royal Beast (Fire/Dragon)
Futerrakion is named Iron Hooves (Rock/Psychic)
Dokutaro is Poison/Ghost
and last but certainly not least, that "Mythical Pokemon not in dlc" is Ice/Poison
Khu confirmed that post was wrong iirc
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The post also just never existed in the past under that text or its post ID as shown in the 2nd image. It's an edited image of a fake leak depicted in a fake post, which is a new layer of fake leaks.
 
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The post also just never existed in the past under that text or its post ID as shown in the 2nd image. It's an edited image of a fake leak depicted in a fake post, which is a new layer of fake leaks.
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this is the smile of one who has lost hope in sources, since apparently we can’t have a reliable one who isn't bigoted or egotistical. (God I wish Kaka returns) Ignore the Deez Nuts type symbol, that was the best replica of my expression when I read that sentence.
we've progressed so much since fake corocoro scans
In fact we have
 
We know we are getting Gen 5 remakes, but briar, in the real mask, who is from Unova, says that she wants to quote “stabilize the Terastal phenomenon in other regions. You know what this may imply.
She says this at the Crystal Pool with the player and Carmine
 
We know we are getting Gen 5 remakes, but briar, in the real mask, who is from Unova, says that she wants to quote “stabilize the Terastal phenomenon in other regions. You know what this may imply.
She says this at the Crystal Pool with the player and Carmine

Ughhh... I would hate it if Terastal was in every future gen of Pokemon. It's a busted mechanic, and every tier having an HO meta will not be fun.
 
I highly doubt Briar's plans, and let's be real there's definitely more to her plans when said pool catches her attention because it's said to bring back the dead, are to lay the ground work for keeping Terastalization in every game moving forward.

Honestly I'd doubt it shows up in the gen 5 remakes/reimaginings/whatever either, and will just be limited to Blueberry Academy (which will likely also not be in the remakes).
 
that 4chan post sounds horrible i'm glad it's fake.

regarding the Gen 5 things - hasn't Khu hinted that it's another traditional remake / "reimagining" combo again? i doubt anything related to SV will pop up in the BW remakes, but depending on how it plays out in the "legends / paradox" whatever, I can see Tera / Briar playing a role considering Khu hinted that one of the E4 plays a role in the next game? (Implied to by Drayden's grandson) So we know they are somewhat linked together with SV's timeline.

Briar does seem quite interesting, and there's possibilities there, so it would be interesting to actually use her rather than just use her as a "hey, let's explore area zero again!!" device, give me a seemingly nice character who is actually deceitful pleaseee, GF

(*i could be wrong re: the Khu things, he says so much nonsense that i only really pay attention if it gains traction but I do seemingly remember those)
 
Ughhh... I would hate it if Terastal was in every future gen of Pokemon. It's a busted mechanic, and every tier having an HO meta will not be fun.

Considering their current philosophy is that super mechanics get rotated in and out every gen, I don't see Terastal going into future gens, maybe reused once in a while, but certainly not as a permanent staple of the mainline games.

If we get Unova revisits presumably this generation, however, it would make sense for them to get Terastal as a means to denote them as part of Gen 9 in and of themselves alongside SV, much like how ORAS had Mega Evolution being a Gen 6 game in the same generation as XY. Especially since Terastal is setting up to ultimately be more akin to Megas in that it can basically be used anywhere in the world despite having a select few regions where it's dominant.

That said because of their current philosophy it certainly won't be in every future generation, especially since rotating super mechanics in and out for newly introduced ones each gen is one of the ways they try to keep each generation's official competitive scene different from each other.
 
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Joe from Serebii was able to play an early preview of the Indigo Disk!!

https://www.serebii.net/scarletviolet/preview/theindigodisk/
i know he's just Like That and as a reviewer you're probably always going to exaggerate but
. As such, we were able to write a Preview where we could talk about the game which is looking like it could be the most ambitious Pokémon title of all time
joe it's DLC, and nothing about your preview is anything outstanding....


It's interesting how there's regular versions of some Pokemon walking around in addition to their Alolan Forms, I'd have just assumed it was entirely the latter. Looking forward to just how "intense" the E4 actually are when you're not doing it in a controlled preview setting.
 
i know he's just Like That and as a reviewer you're probably always going to exaggerate but

joe it's DLC, and nothing about your preview is anything outstanding....


It's interesting how there's regular versions of some Pokemon walking around in addition to their Alolan Forms, I'd have just assumed it was entirely the latter. Looking forward to just how "intense" the E4 actually are when you're not doing it in a controlled preview setting.
I had a chance to read this review, and I don't have any reason to believe this expansion will be anything significant like we may have been hoping and/or expecting for it to be. For starters, I already have my own opinions on how reliable controlled review settings can be, since the developers can very easily only allow reviewers to see things they want the reviewer to see while hiding anything that may be of far more questionable quality. Furthermore, while the content shown is nice for Scarlet & Violet to have, it also doesn't look like much of anything previous Pokémon games didn't already have. Of particular interest is how they said this extra content can be one of the most difficult challenges in the series- I remember controlled reviews were saying the same thing about 5-star raid battles in base game Sword & Shield back in 2019 and despite that I'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who actually supports that opinion. Even so, Pokémon will never be a difficult game at its core development traits. Not only is this a series that's meant to be "accessible" for players of all ages, but there's also the fact that this game's been out for a whole year now and many players will be going into DLC2 with multiple Level 100 Pokémon anyways. Until we see anything about a compelling storyline or significant worldbuilding from the characters and the game world alike, I'm considering this expansion to be little more than justification for giving this game a ridiculous $95 price tag in total.

For what it's worth, it's very possible that Mario Kart 8 Deluxe's DLC wrapping up recently might have raised my standards of what I think counts as a "good, quality DLC expansion". New Pokémon content will always be new Pokémon content, and my opinions on these games can always change too. Maybe I'd end up being a much bigger fan of this post-release, but until that happens, I'm not interested.
 
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I had a chance to read this review, and I don't have any reason to believe this expansion will be anything significant like we may have been hoping and/or expecting for it to be. For starters, I already have my own opinions on how reliable controlled review settings can be, since the developers can very easily only allow reviewers to see things they want the reviewer to see while hiding anything that may be of far more questionable quality. Furthermore, while the content shown is nice for Scarlet & Violet to have, it also doesn't look like much of anything previous Pokémon games didn't already have. Of particular interest is how they said this extra content can be one of the most difficult challenges in the series- I remember controlled reviews were saying the same thing about 5-star raid battles in base game Sword & Shield back in 2019 and despite that I'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who actually supports that opinion. Even so, Pokémon will never be a difficult game at its core development traits. Not only is this a series that's meant to be "accessible" for players of all ages, but there's also the fact that this game's been out for a whole year now and many players will be going into DLC2 with multiple Level 100 Pokémon anyways. Until we see anything about a compelling storyline or significant worldbuilding from the characters and the game world alike, I'm considering this expansion to be little more than justification for giving this game a ridiculous $95 price tag in total.
I feel like Joe's words were taken a bit too literal - and also you do need to take note that Joe is also someone who can't really slander Pokémon too much. He just says its one of the most ambitious expansions that Pokémon have done, which is kinda true given that it's competition is the SWSH DLC and free-releases for PLA lol.

On the terms of difficulty, that's subjective. Of course you can go into DLC2 with a team of Level 100 Pokémon who can steamroll anything, just as you can in any game if given the tools? If you make it easy for yourself you really don't have a right to complain lol - (I get scaling would fix this, but let's be reasonable with who we are working with) I think the difficulty aspect sounds good, and if it's really like late-level battle facilities, then yeah, it's going to be genuinely difficult for people who are looking for a challenge, not just bulldozing for the sake.

I have to disagree with the storyline, characters & worldbuilding though - that has always been a strong point for Pokémon (Even if some storylines are meh, SV's is actually really great)
 
I mean I think the DLC is a nice expansion and, to me, worth the price tag I just don't think anything about it makes it the most ambitious title in the series, much less very specifically this DLC much less even more specifically the snippet he got to play.

More me giving him a solid "c'mon bro tone it down a bit"
 
I feel like Joe's words were taken a bit too literal - and also you do need to take note that Joe is also someone who can't really slander Pokémon too much. He just says its one of the most ambitious expansions that Pokémon have done, which is kinda true given that it's competition is the SWSH DLC and free-releases for PLA lol.
Okay, honestly, that's a really good point. I'd still say this is looking to be a better DLC than that of Sword & Shield when both parts are taken into account (Two parts' worth of SwSh still beat one part's worth of SV, but that's to be expected), and while I still would have preferred Legends to get a bit more content, I also can't really think of what they might have added in all honesty. For example, going back into the future in a hypothetical PLA DLC (say that ten times fast) would just make the longtime fans even more upset towards BDSP than they already were for being... well... just look at it.

(I get scaling would fix this, but let's be reasonable with who we are working with)
The larger problem isn't that Pokémon is an easy game series. There's nothing wrong with games being easy. In fact, I actually welcome it compared to an extremely hard experience. The problem is that the lack of proper scaling feels like something that can and should be implemented with the resources these developers have at their disposal. The Indigo Disk is strictly post-game content from what we've learned up to this point, and with base game Paldea's admittedly very large main story behind players at this point in the game as well as a massive list of Pokémon to choose from between Paldea and Kitakami's PokéDexes, this feels like a situation where even newer players might have to specifically push themselves to add challenge to the game again. Harder than base game SV or The Teal Mask? Maybe, but I wouldn't say either of those are a hard bar to top to begin with. Admittedly, there is a way to fix this- adding in dedicated Level 100-tier rematches against important NPCs for more experienced players could be a great idea without getting in the way of newer players playing through The Indigo Disk's story too much. Preferably this is the route they take, but we'll have to see.
 
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