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Anyone have any queer artist recommendations? I really wanna make my playlists more gay, bonus points if they're an electronic or alt rock/pop artist :^)
I don't know much but I remember "Secret Love Song" by Little Mix being now identified as queer. The group has dedicated their song to the LGBTQ+ community and most of their performances usually has the pride flag behind them during those performances iirc. Another one is from my Filipino friend (who wishes to remain anonymous) is "Paninindigan Kita" by Ben&Ben the official music video has two female members (keyboardist Pat Lasaten and bassist Agnes Reoma) of that group most likely be a coming out for them to the world (and they are also happily married in real life!) :totodiLUL:
 
If you can handle it Femtanyl is one of my favourite queer artists. She does digital hardcore and I honestly wouldn't recommend it to most people because it can be quite intense. She did get more popular and her recent songs like M3 n MIN3 are more palatable tho
 
If you can handle it Femtanyl is one of my favourite queer artists. She does digital hardcore and I honestly wouldn't recommend it to most people because it can be quite intense. She did get more popular and her recent songs like M3 n MIN3 are more palatable tho
I've been meaning to listen to her actually, I constantly see mixed opinions on her and I wanna see how I feel about her, I'll listen to some of her stuff tonight probably!
 
i am gayyyyyyyyyyyyy
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ok lets go
 
hi.

i always sucked at writing intros so i just wanna say i'm writing this for two reasons: so i can put my many, many thoughts down on paper, and because i feel like i owe this community an explanation for changing basically my entire identity without any notice or reasoning. sorry if a lot of this is incomprehensible or not well put together, i'm mostly just barfing stuff onto the paper rn.

i think the first time i had a inkling i wasn't cishet was when i played xc2 and pulled floren for the first time. i was 15 at the time and the only other experience i had with non-platonic affection was with my middle school crush, but the moment i saw him and how he acted he was just so cute to me. looking back i clearly had a crush on him...but i also thought floren was female. i had very little concept of how the gender binary worked so i just assumed he was just a girl with short hair, and i never got to the part of his blade quest where he revealed he was a guy. so when i learned a year later he was male, it came as a shock to me. unfortunately, my reaction was to bury those feelings deep down and never truly acknowledge them.

fast forward to summer 2023. i had just gotten fe engage, started playing, and almost immediately against i was floored by how cute rosado was. it got to the point when they started using gender-neutral pronouns for rosado i was praying they ended up being female, but later on it was revealed rosado was male. i was about to do the same thing i did with floren and simply never acknowledge them, but here i was older with more insight on lgbt+ matters and started to have some self introspection on the matter before eventually coming to the conclusion i was bi (later on i thought about it some more and found out what being gyneromantic was and i feel like that label fits me a lot better) (also i say gyneromatic and not gynesexual because i've never really felt sexual attraction towards anyone which made high school very weird).

as for gender, looking back my feelings towards it have existed as long as i've been on the internet, ever since my very first days on other sites. i hated gender norms, thinking that they were stupid and dumb and made very little sense in a modern world, but also i purposefully hid my gender online for a long time until people figured it our or asked me. at first i rationalized it away as me not wanting to me doxxed or judged, and that was part of it, but i also wanted to be androgynous on the internet. i felt like that lack of an identity offered me freedom to do stuff without being judged one way or the other, and above all it just let me be...myself. the rosado thing above also led me to experiment more on this site with my gender identity, first to they/he (with the emphasis on they) and now currently to any pronouns with they/them preferred, which i'm really comfortable with rn and i feel like that fits me the best.

to be honest i've been following this thread and the previous one for quite a while, and i have felt this way for at least a year, but a major reason i delayed posting here was cause what if these feelings were fake? i kept seeing people coming out saying stuff like "i had a crush on a guy/girl for a while that i just hid away" or "i realized i was trans when i was 5 years old and didn't feel comfortable in my body" and my experience compared to them didn't feel real, and i still have doubts about whether these feelings and thoughts i have are real (in fact i'm having them rn, wondering if making and releasing this post is a good idea) because how i found out was through video games, and not irl experiences like so many other people have had. i don't want to come out to anyone irl or socially transition either like ever, even though my ultimate dream would be to be androgynous irl as well, because of these doubts, cause what if tomorrow i decide i'm actually not all of this and regret everything? it hasn't happened yet, but it could happen at any point, and that it might scares me too much, even it if never does happen for the rest of my life. but the fact i'm making this post means that i'm at least confident in my current self, so i guess that's something.

so yeah that's pretty much everything. i also suck at conclusions so thanks for taking your time and reading this! it's very hard to be vulnerable on the internet and i don't know how some people do it, but hopefully i was able to get my thoughts out there in an understandable manner.

p.s if anyone outside of smogon sees this and realizes who i am i'd very much appreciate it if you brought it up with me privately and didn't tell anyone until i was ok with it
posting an update to this cause this is still the only place i can really talk about this type of stuff

i've had a whole school year to think about this (i posted this at the beginning of the fall semester and now it's end of spring semester) and the conclusion i've come to is...i think i'm genderfluid? or at least i think that's the correct term based on my research. most of the time i don't really have a concept of gender when i wake up and it's something i consciously have to apply to myself, so i would consider that to be my default state. i also have no issue with being seen as feminine or called a girl, at least online when i feel like it (like as i'm writing this i feel feminine), although this state of gender is much rarer for me.

the thing is, i don't have a problem with being called a man or assumed i'm a guy either (although i do think it's funny how most people assume i am in other spaces). it mostly happens when i'm dressed more formally for like a job or something cause my main wardrobe consists of masculine-leaning androgynyous clothing like t-shirts, sweatpants, and hoodies. at first when i started having these thoughts about gender, there was a pushback in my mind to not be called masculine. originally i thought i was some form of transfemme but after thinking about some more, i think it was because i subconsciously wanted to experiment more with other identities in order to find where i fit in, not because i had anything against being seen as a guy. currently when i'm called a man i don't really feel anything; not negativity, not positivity (outside of a few select instances), and moreso like it's just correct, as hard it may be to explain. i've come to realize that my sense of gender and my identity ebbs and flows across the days, weeks, and months that make up my life. if i had to assign numbers to it, i'd say ~60% of the time i don't have a concept of gender, ~30% of the time i feel masculine, and ~10% of the time i feel feminine.

i still have no real desire to "come out", mostly due to the fact i don't feel like upending my entire social life over a change that literally doesn't affect them at all, even though i know some people who would react negatively. i have said before my ultimate goal is to be androgynous irl but i've started to reconsider due to things like how much money it would take to do things like hair removal, so it's ended up being a much longer-term goal than i initially thought, meaning that it's very hard for my demanor and clothing to reflect my inner thoughts. but also i just don't care that much about presenting outwardly, for now i'm fine with validation from the internet and friends who know. i've also been experimenting with a different name on discord which has helped to further define how i feel about gender.

so yeah something a little more positive this time. i'm more confident in myself and how i feel. happy for pride month next month as well, although i probably won't go to anything for it because even though i don't plan on coming out, i also don't want to be outed, you know?
 
So, after meeting someone very special whose trans themselves and them sort of breaking down hesitation I've had for a long time now, I've decided to just take the chance and transition. I always thought about it, wondering if I was really male. I never really was attached to the idea of masculinity. It just never mattered in the slightest to me. I'm out to a lot of (online) friends who are supportive, and I feel a weird combination of happiness, excitement, and fear. My girlfriend has told me how HRT is basically black magic and she's had very positive experiences. Between that and browsing r/transtimelines on Reddit, I'm truly hoping that even little ol' ugly me has a chance of becoming a hot goth chick. She also said that she'd rather be an ugly woman than an ugly man, and that sort of stuck with me. It's like, if I'm gonna be ugly anyway, why not? Hopefully that's not the case, but we'll see. I've got a long road ahead of me, but I hope it'll be a positive one in the end. The only hurdle will be coming out to family, but maybe I won't even tell them until I can't really hide the fact I'm getting more feminine. Who knows, but I hope for the best in all cases.
 
So, after meeting someone very special whose trans themselves and them sort of breaking down hesitation I've had for a long time now, I've decided to just take the chance and transition. I always thought about it, wondering if I was really male. I never really was attached to the idea of masculinity. It just never mattered in the slightest to me. I'm out to a lot of (online) friends who are supportive, and I feel a weird combination of happiness, excitement, and fear. My girlfriend has told me how HRT is basically black magic and she's had very positive experiences. Between that and browsing r/transtimelines on Reddit, I'm truly hoping that even little ol' ugly me has a chance of becoming a hot goth chick. She also said that she'd rather be an ugly woman than an ugly man, and that sort of stuck with me. It's like, if I'm gonna be ugly anyway, why not? Hopefully that's not the case, but we'll see. I've got a long road ahead of me, but I hope it'll be a positive one in the end. The only hurdle will be coming out to family, but maybe I won't even tell them until I can't really hide the fact I'm getting more feminine. Who knows, but I hope for the best in all cases.

Try not to focus on social beauty stigmas and focus on what truly makes you happy. Social media and reddit can be amazing at times, but it can also warp our expectations as to how HRT can affect you and the timelines for how long everything takes.

I will say, that I agree with your friend, and estrogen has been wonderful for my mental lol
 
So I’m wondering, am I aromantic? I’ve came out as gender-fluid to some people and it just feels so much better. Idk if it’s gender fluid or something else on that spectrum but I’ll figure it out.
Anyways, I’ve had problems with mistaking people I want to get to know more with people I want to date. I don’t really get the difference between it and friends. I definetly know I’m attracted to men and I am but I don’t really care about the romantic part really idk… I don’t know the difference.
 
So I’m wondering, am I aromantic? I’ve came out as gender-fluid to some people and it just feels so much better. Idk if it’s gender fluid or something else on that spectrum but I’ll figure it out.
Anyways, I’ve had problems with mistaking people I want to get to know more with people I want to date. I don’t really get the difference between it and friends. I definetly know I’m attracted to men and I am but I don’t really care about the romantic part really idk… I don’t know the difference.

Short answer: it's up to you to decide really

As a disclaimer, I'm coming at this from the perspective of someone with a weird and fucked up sexuality that could only be described by words created by the utterly deranged (something along the lines of greyromantic omnisexual). What I mean by this is that from my perspective, sexuality is a really weird and individualistic thing that doesn't really tend to fit well into categories. And even from a philosophical perspective, let's say you have two gay men and they're both very assured in that label. But how can gay man A be exactly sure that gay man B's experience with sexuality is exactly the same? The answer is that gay man A can't really. We can't actually truly ever understand another person's feelings to the extent that the other person feels them, we can only really attempt to do our best with descriptive words. The reason both men call themselves gay is because that's simply the best way they know how to explain their experiences, even if it is not a comprehensive document of their whole life's experience with attraction. To come back to my original point though, this is why I think getting hung up on labels when it comes to sexuality is kind of a not-very-useful endeavor. Especially when it comes to the more "outside of the box" sexualities. If you try to attach your feelings to a pre-made label made to be a "one size fits all", then you're actually denying the intricacies and nuances of what you feel. And the more you try to actually capture those nuances with hyper-specific categorizations (see: greyromantic omnisexual), the more it becomes a fruitless endeavor because most people won't know what the hell you're talking about, when the whole point of attaching labels is so that you can try and communicate your feelings in the first place.

To summarize the previous paragraph, placing more emphasis on the label rather than your own feelings is a bad thing to do to yourself, and trying to hyper-categorize your feelings kind of goes against the reason we place a label on things at all.

So what do I do? Since I'm using myself as an example after all. Well I just call myself a lesbian lmfaoo. "Now hold on a second" I may or may not hear you ask. "Doesn't that go against everything you just said?".
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I call myself a lesbian cause it's easy to tell others that I'm a lesbian. After all, I'm a girl (ish) and tend to experience attraction to women. It's far easier than telling others that I:
> am definitely feminine rather than masculine, but am not extremely attached to the construct of being a "woman"
> experience strange bouts of romantic attraction to people regardless of gender, although I am not sure if it is really romantic attraction at all
> experience sexual attraction largely towards feminine people regardless of gender, although I on very rare occasion find myself thinking that a guy looks hot
But I digress. Coming back to my original point, I'm not actually myself hung up on the label I use to describe myself. I call myself a lesbian cause it's a convenient term I can use to quickly communicate an idea of myself to others, but I do not actually believe myself to be a lesbian necessarily. My feelings =/= the term I use to describe them, and that's ok. Because I don't need everyone I talk to to understand the weird and fucked up intricacies of my sexuality.

But to wrap it all up and bring things back to you, it really is just up to you to decide what label you want to use. If you think that "aromantic" is a good enough label to communicate your feelings, then by all means go ahead and use it. To restate my short answer, it's up to you to decide really. The reason I've written this whole long answer is so that I could hopefully explain to you that the label itself doesn't actually matter too much, and you shouldn't get too hung up on trying to attach your feelings to a word that will never be able to fully capture the entire scope of your experiences.

And btw, when you said
I’ve had problems with mistaking people I want to get to know more with people I want to date. I don’t really get the difference between it and friends
I really felt ya there buddy. I briefly mentioned it earlier but I feel kind of the same way. Which is why I use the term "greyromantic" as a cop-out. It's definition is something along the lines of "experiences uncertain romantic attraction towards others" :haha:. Part of why I like the term in fact, is because it's so vague and does not attempt to really restrict my feelings. Rather, it's just a very general statement that's instead freeing, in my opinion. If you like that word, feel free to take it :boi:
 
Short answer: it's up to you to decide really

As a disclaimer, I'm coming at this from the perspective of someone with a weird and fucked up sexuality that could only be described by words created by the utterly deranged (something along the lines of greyromantic omnisexual). What I mean by this is that from my perspective, sexuality is a really weird and individualistic thing that doesn't really tend to fit well into categories. And even from a philosophical perspective, let's say you have two gay men and they're both very assured in that label. But how can gay man A be exactly sure that gay man B's experience with sexuality is exactly the same? The answer is that gay man A can't really. We can't actually truly ever understand another person's feelings to the extent that the other person feels them, we can only really attempt to do our best with descriptive words. The reason both men call themselves gay is because that's simply the best way they know how to explain their experiences, even if it is not a comprehensive document of their whole life's experience with attraction. To come back to my original point though, this is why I think getting hung up on labels when it comes to sexuality is kind of a not-very-useful endeavor. Especially when it comes to the more "outside of the box" sexualities. If you try to attach your feelings to a pre-made label made to be a "one size fits all", then you're actually denying the intricacies and nuances of what you feel. And the more you try to actually capture those nuances with hyper-specific categorizations (see: greyromantic omnisexual), the more it becomes a fruitless endeavor because most people won't know what the hell you're talking about, when the whole point of attaching labels is so that you can try and communicate your feelings in the first place.

To summarize the previous paragraph, placing more emphasis on the label rather than your own feelings is a bad thing to do to yourself, and trying to hyper-categorize your feelings kind of goes against the reason we place a label on things at all.

So what do I do? Since I'm using myself as an example after all. Well I just call myself a lesbian lmfaoo. "Now hold on a second" I may or may not hear you ask. "Doesn't that go against everything you just said?".
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I call myself a lesbian cause it's easy to tell others that I'm a lesbian. After all, I'm a girl (ish) and tend to experience attraction to women. It's far easier than telling others that I:
> am definitely feminine rather than masculine, but am not extremely attached to the construct of being a "woman"
> experience strange bouts of romantic attraction to people regardless of gender, although I am not sure if it is really romantic attraction at all
> experience sexual attraction largely towards feminine people regardless of gender, although I on very rare occasion find myself thinking that a guy looks hot
But I digress. Coming back to my original point, I'm not actually myself hung up on the label I use to describe myself. I call myself a lesbian cause it's a convenient term I can use to quickly communicate an idea of myself to others, but I do not actually believe myself to be a lesbian necessarily. My feelings =/= the term I use to describe them, and that's ok. Because I don't need everyone I talk to to understand the weird and fucked up intricacies of my sexuality.

But to wrap it all up and bring things back to you, it really is just up to you to decide what label you want to use. If you think that "aromantic" is a good enough label to communicate your feelings, then by all means go ahead and use it. To restate my short answer, it's up to you to decide really. The reason I've written this whole long answer is so that I could hopefully explain to you that the label itself doesn't actually matter too much, and you shouldn't get too hung up on trying to attach your feelings to a word that will never be able to fully capture the entire scope of your experiences.

And btw, when you said

I really felt ya there buddy. I briefly mentioned it earlier but I feel kind of the same way. Which is why I use the term "greyromantic" as a cop-out. It's definition is something along the lines of "experiences uncertain romantic attraction towards others" :haha:. Part of why I like the term in fact, is because it's so vague and does not attempt to really restrict my feelings. Rather, it's just a very general statement that's instead freeing, in my opinion. If you like that word, feel free to take it :boi:
Oh yeah this video is tangentially related to what I was talking and sort of explains things in a better way than I was able to. All that about the difference between the “thing itself” and the words we use to describe it.
 
Short answer: it's up to you to decide really

As a disclaimer, I'm coming at this from the perspective of someone with a weird and fucked up sexuality that could only be described by words created by the utterly deranged (something along the lines of greyromantic omnisexual). What I mean by this is that from my perspective, sexuality is a really weird and individualistic thing that doesn't really tend to fit well into categories. And even from a philosophical perspective, let's say you have two gay men and they're both very assured in that label. But how can gay man A be exactly sure that gay man B's experience with sexuality is exactly the same? The answer is that gay man A can't really. We can't actually truly ever understand another person's feelings to the extent that the other person feels them, we can only really attempt to do our best with descriptive words. The reason both men call themselves gay is because that's simply the best way they know how to explain their experiences, even if it is not a comprehensive document of their whole life's experience with attraction. To come back to my original point though, this is why I think getting hung up on labels when it comes to sexuality is kind of a not-very-useful endeavor. Especially when it comes to the more "outside of the box" sexualities. If you try to attach your feelings to a pre-made label made to be a "one size fits all", then you're actually denying the intricacies and nuances of what you feel. And the more you try to actually capture those nuances with hyper-specific categorizations (see: greyromantic omnisexual), the more it becomes a fruitless endeavor because most people won't know what the hell you're talking about, when the whole point of attaching labels is so that you can try and communicate your feelings in the first place.

To summarize the previous paragraph, placing more emphasis on the label rather than your own feelings is a bad thing to do to yourself, and trying to hyper-categorize your feelings kind of goes against the reason we place a label on things at all.

So what do I do? Since I'm using myself as an example after all. Well I just call myself a lesbian lmfaoo. "Now hold on a second" I may or may not hear you ask. "Doesn't that go against everything you just said?".
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I call myself a lesbian cause it's easy to tell others that I'm a lesbian. After all, I'm a girl (ish) and tend to experience attraction to women. It's far easier than telling others that I:
> am definitely feminine rather than masculine, but am not extremely attached to the construct of being a "woman"
> experience strange bouts of romantic attraction to people regardless of gender, although I am not sure if it is really romantic attraction at all
> experience sexual attraction largely towards feminine people regardless of gender, although I on very rare occasion find myself thinking that a guy looks hot
But I digress. Coming back to my original point, I'm not actually myself hung up on the label I use to describe myself. I call myself a lesbian cause it's a convenient term I can use to quickly communicate an idea of myself to others, but I do not actually believe myself to be a lesbian necessarily. My feelings =/= the term I use to describe them, and that's ok. Because I don't need everyone I talk to to understand the weird and fucked up intricacies of my sexuality.

But to wrap it all up and bring things back to you, it really is just up to you to decide what label you want to use. If you think that "aromantic" is a good enough label to communicate your feelings, then by all means go ahead and use it. To restate my short answer, it's up to you to decide really. The reason I've written this whole long answer is so that I could hopefully explain to you that the label itself doesn't actually matter too much, and you shouldn't get too hung up on trying to attach your feelings to a word that will never be able to fully capture the entire scope of your experiences.

And btw, when you said

I really felt ya there buddy. I briefly mentioned it earlier but I feel kind of the same way. Which is why I use the term "greyromantic" as a cop-out. It's definition is something along the lines of "experiences uncertain romantic attraction towards others" :haha:. Part of why I like the term in fact, is because it's so vague and does not attempt to really restrict my feelings. Rather, it's just a very general statement that's instead freeing, in my opinion. If you like that word, feel free to take it :boi:
I love the way you explain this. The beetle analogy makes a lot of sense to me

I more or less applied this logic to gender here but I think you did a way better job of explaining it.
 
Just a reminder as we go into pride month that pride is both celebration and resistance, and participating in whatever capacity you can is also contributing!! Also wanted to request that you please keep other marginalized folks in our community in mind when arranging pride events and gatherings. The queer community in my city personally is super Eurocentric culturally which makes it difficult to actually discuss my upbringing as a queer person of color in a conservative and religious family/social circle in a way other people will understand. There's overlapping elements for sure, but it helps a ton to be able to talk to other people who've lived that experience. I've managed to find other people through events where it's marketed for underrepresented people in the queer community (they welcome everyone though, but it's a space for less known topics to be discussed) and I found some queer friends in a similar situation to me because for some reason, I attract the entire fruit aisle, but the more events the better always.

Also, please make sure whatever events you may have a part in organizing are accessible to disabled people, and don't forget to encourage masking! We're all stronger together and uplifting each other will get us everywhere. Don't punch down on other queer people either - lesbophobia, biphobia, transphobia and acephobia are things I've been seeing from people who label themselves as queer - and while I don't have authority to determine how anyone labels themselves, their sexuality or their gender identity, we really are stronger together (I already said that but it's SO important) and having community is so important for us to rely on.

This pride month is super complicated and difficult for a lot of people, but I'm choosing to celebrate loud and proud in spite of that and I hope you guys do too! I'm gonna go kiss a guy now adios (I'm tragically single I literally texted my ex as a crashout not too long ago BUT in my dreams I'm not single and that's what counts)
 
with pride month upcoming

I have the understanding that what trans people want is to be treated by society with the gender that they feel natural with. Is this the correct way to see it?

I am not trans so I don't really know what it would be like to have gender dysphoria or how it is to treated as something you don't feel comfortable with
 
with pride month upcoming

I have the understanding that what trans people want is to be treated by society with the gender that they feel natural with. Is this the correct way to see it?

I am not trans so I don't really know what it would be like to have gender dysphoria or how it is to treated as something you don't feel comfortable with
Hi, trans person here.

Yes as a baseline trans people want respect for the gender they align with, as well as just basic human rights and protections given how persecuted we are in certain parts of the world. Also we'd like more support within healthcare but that comes after making sure that we don't get killed for being trans.

Beyond that, I think a sort of "end goal" that's pretty far off is societal recognition that gender as a concept is kind of stupid. But that's kind of a luxury I suppose you could say. It's something I'd be willing to talk about more at a later time if you are curious, but I'm busy rn so i won't type up a whole essay about gender theory and stuff.
 
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