Metagame USUM Pure Hackmons

[ItzEmanBoss]

USUM HO VIABILITY RANKINGS
In progress…

S+ RANK
View attachment 755896Kartana
S RANK
View attachment 755897Mega mewtwo X

... As a mmx fanboy this is for sure right! (NOT)

Even though I love this fucker I will not let someone under rank something which is to overwhelming good. I mean Kart is a good mon don't get me wrong, but mmx is just better in most situations and overall. mmx is better at wall breaking in general which is arguably the most important thing on HO, mmx has most versatility with its move sets like when mmx can dip into its special side for some more favorable matchups into physical walls, and mmx can also be used as an arguably better ng then kart which at this point kart Is mostly used for. If anyone want to prove to me Kart is a better ng please prove me wrong. I'm tryna be enlightened by my shitty takes.

 

[Guysmash]

If anyone want to prove to me Kart is a better ng please prove me wrong

Imo Kart is a better ng because it has no immunities on his STAB and the other is cool with Fissure+SS (making like 3-4 mons capable of walling). On the other hand MMX NG is just a worse version of MMY, you'll almost never run the 50%acc fighting move which is the only reason (imo) you'd take MMX over MMY. MMX ng is only viable in MMX spam

 

[Slothlotliscool]

... As a mmx fanboy this is for sure right! (NOT)

Even though I love this fucker I will not let someone under rank something which is to overwhelming good. I mean Kart is a good mon don't get me wrong, but mmx is just better in most situations and overall. mmx is better at wall breaking in general which is arguably the most important thing on HO, mmx has most versatility with its move sets like when mmx can dip into its special side for some more favorable matchups into physical walls, and mmx can also be used as an arguably better ng then kart which at this point kart Is mostly used for. If anyone want to prove to me Kart is a better ng please prove me wrong. I'm tryna be enlightened by my shitty takes.

MMX is much more consistent and versatile than Kart, you won’t run Imp on HO so imo Bliss is better than chansey as Innards because easier to use as improof

You should change S and S+ imo

Ok I get it, mmx does like 50 bajillion damage with hp photon geyser/ light that burns the sky (also I am by far not the most qualified to talk about this kind of stuff but I am anyways) but imo sss is better than photon because you don’t get walled by psychic resists or fur coat steel types or just bulky fur coat mons in general. Also, the most common moveset (spore, sss, shell smash and ice shard/ ice punch) can easily substitute a move like ice shard or spore (mostly spore so you don’t get walled by zyg) for a move like wood hammer of power whip and that means that counters like mgyara, mbro and mswampert can’t come in safely without scouting out if this kart has a grass move or not. Finally, kartana’s 131 base defence makes it survive even + 2 huge power attacks even factoring rocks damage (only survives + 1 or non stab if 3 spikes are up) meaning unlike mmx it doesn’t just die to boost sweepers with hazards up.

 

[Guysmash]

Ok I get it, mmx does like 50 bajillion damage with hp photon geyser/ light that burns the sky (also I am by far not the most qualified to talk about this kind of stuff but I am anyways) but imo sss is better than photon because you don’t get walled by psychic resists or fur coat steel types or just bulky fur coat mons in general. Also, the most common moveset (spore, sss, shell smash and ice shard/ ice punch) can easily substitute a move like ice shard or spore (mostly spore so you don’t get walled by zyg) for a move like wood hammer of power whip and that means that counters like mgyara, mbro and mswampert can’t come in safely without scouting out if this kart has a grass move or not. Finally, kartana’s 131 base defence makes it survive even + 2 huge power attacks even factoring rocks damage (only survives + 1 or non stab if 3 spikes are up) meaning unlike mmx it doesn’t just die to boost sweepers with hazards up.

Yes for pure damage, Kart is probably better because nothing is immune to SSS but why I think MMX is above it’s only for it’s versatile aspect, 9 Atk difference is not a lot. And second why would you run spore not to get wall by zyg when you have ice shard.?

 

[aidan amoongus]

Imo Kart is a better ng because it has no immunities on his STAB and the other is cool with Fissure+SS (making like 3-4 mons capable of walling). On the other hand MMX NG is just a worse version of MMY, you'll almost never run the 50%acc fighting move which is the only reason (imo) you'd take MMX over MMY. MMX ng is only viable in MMX spam

In my opinion Kartana is better offensively, and while - don't get me wrong - both mons are almost unwallable, Kartana is harder to check personally. While MMX can run coverage, Kartana has more raw power, and Sunsteel completely busts open non 4x resist steels. MMX can run coverage for anything but you kind of struggle with 4mss? Imo you can like for example run Searing Shot for steels but you get walled by Slowbro, and if you run Moongeist for that, you get walled by zygod, and so on and so forth. while i do credit some mmx sets that hit practically almost everything, many sets lack that. what also makes kartana nice is it can run different abilities as well, surprise no guard that is borderline unwallable according to yourself, mg for innards, etc. yes mmx can do that too, but it kinda lacks power without huge power

ice shard +2 hp kart rips zyg but mmx ice shard is fake

 

[AnsonIsTheBest]

USUM HO VIABILITY RANKINGS
In progress…

S+ RANK
Chansey
View attachment 755896Kartana
S RANK
View attachment 755897Mega mewtwo X
Blissey
A+ RANK
View attachment 755898

View attachment 755900
A RANK
View attachment 755901

Kart on S+ doesn't even applies to ladder wtf
slak should be better in practice but like ranking them as mmy and mgar is fair enough. Like wtf is that kart get out

 

[Yourself]

MMX can run coverage for anything but you kind of struggle with 4mss? Imo you can like for example run Searing Shot for steels but you get walled by Slowbro, and if you run Moongeist for that, you get walled by zygod, and so on and so forth.

i mostly disagree with what ur saying here.

running searing shot does not just mean you get walled by slowbro, and pairing geist with searing shot is counter intuitive because searing shot already beats doublade so you'd rather run a move that beats mbro and also beats something you're missing such as bug which covers both mbro and darks like mgyara. geist typically wants to be paired with fighting because you already beat doublade with geist so fighting hits remaining steels and darks in 1 slot. running geist also doesn't just mean you lose to zygod, because typically you will replace one of ur moldy moves (usually sunsteel but photonless sets are possible) with ice. as for other moves i haven't mentioned, both grass and electric are essentially just bug replacements and aren't necesarry on photon sets because photon already hits the extra things they hit (mpert and ho-oh). dark (knock off usually for the removal which also allows you to beat fc doublade, all tho band can opt for darkest lariat) functions essentially the same as special ghost. i haven't brought up tarrows because i don't think it's good, you miss wonder guard steels and the stuff you do end up hitting walls you with fur coat or prankster reflect due to it being a physical 90bp move without stab. it does hit muk, but muk is very rarely seen these days, all tho if you really need to hit muk i suppose it is an option.

of course mmx doesn't have to run the coverage options i listed, probably because you already have enough teamates to beat a certain mon or because of improofing concerns, but if mmx wants to it can be nearly or totally unwallbe so i disagree that it has 4mss. without a power boosting item, you can run photon/ice/fire/bug and you only have a few random walls like heatran, muk, and if we wanna push it darmanitan zen and sableye. with a band, you can run photon/sunsteel/close combat/darkest lariat and only be walled by ssap zygod (reflect zygod loses to photon on switch in). lorb is also unwallable technically, all tho you have recoil and to break reflect zygod you need to click close combat on switch in which is a lot harder to click then photon. psychic terrain would also have the same effect as a band as well as blocking ssap.

what also makes kartana nice is it can run different abilities as well, surprise no guard that is borderline unwallable according to yourself, mg for innards, etc. yes mmx can do that too, but it kinda lacks power without huge power

minor side note 1: i never said this, i think i said ng kart is only walled by wg steels. ng kart also suffers from a lack of immediate power tho ransei probably exagerates this a little.

ice shard +2 hp kart rips zyg but mmx ice shard is fake

minor side note 2: ice shard mmx isn't fake im not sure why you have said this. photon into shard kills zygod, shard can kill a stag mray, and shard can pick of guys that have used a sash.

 

[Slothlotliscool]

i never said this, i think i said ng kart is only walled by wg steels.

Newsflash: fissure exists.
2nd newsflash: fissure is ground type.
3rd newsflash: steels are weak to ground. (except wg Celesteela)
Haters will say this is a one liner when in reality it’s a 4 liner.

 

[Yourself]

Newsflash: fissure exists.
2nd newsflash: fissure is ground type.
3rd newsflash: steels are weak to ground. (except wg Celesteela)
Haters will say this is a one liner when in reality it’s a 4 liner.

newsflash: most of the steels that use wonder guard aren't weak to ground (steela, scizor, ferrothorn), the guy that is is heatran

 

[Slothlotliscool]

newsflash: most of the steels that use wonder guard aren't weak to ground (steela, scizor, ferrothorn), the guy that is is heatran

True
(This isn’t a one liner here is the second line)

 

[WindySnivy_]

HOW TO BUILD STALL
(if this already exists so be it)​

Ever wanted to troll people on ladder? Or just want to annoy your friends? The Stall archetype has been playing these roles for years. Today, I will explain how to build viable Pure Hackmons stall teams. But first, we must discuss the fundamentals of PH stall teams, such as:

1. Your stall team must be good against the Big 5 Offensive Threats of Pure Hackmons. (----) These include MMX, MMY, Kart, MGar, and PDon. If your team doesn't match up well into these mons, you need to change it.​
2. Your stall team must have at least 2 Wonder Guards. This will counter Little Timmy's No Guard Deoxys-Speed set.​
3. Your stall team must have a way to nerf opponents. This allows for a better range of mons you can defeat, whether by status or straight-up stat drops.​

Now that we have clarified those, let's build our team!
Our first mon should be able to defeat Unwallable Kartana. This Kartana, concocted in PHPL, is notorious for being unwallable. Only 4x resists (that are bulky) can survive the wrath of +2 Huge Power SSS. This mon should have two types on the list of Water/Fire/Electric/Steel and a good Defense stat. I would suggest Heatran and Magneton as the best mons for this role.
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Our next mon should have Prankster+Haze, a reliable combo that allows stall teams to stop sweepers while still keeping their mon. I like Steela because it's immune to Fissure, but Mega Steelix/ Aggron are also nice to have. However, to not double up on Steels, I would suggest using Ho-Oh or MBro instead.
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The next two mons should cover >90% of MMX's most popular sets. One of them should also be a Wonder Guard for role compression. IMO the best MMX-walling Wonder Guard is MBro, and there is zero competition. BYRD is also really good at walling MMX, as its Fur Coat King's Shield Beak Blast sets can make quick work of that dastardly cat. (Fun fact: I have an MMX plush in my bedroom.) If you don't want to go that route, you could go with something like Doublade, who is renowned for being the best MMX wall (but has been put on fraudwatch recently).
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Our second Wonder Guard, this mon should cover special attackers, namely MMY and MGar. Honestly, though, the only good contenders for this are Melo and AMuk, which have great Sp. Def and either resist or are immune to special Moldy Moves.
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Finally, our last mon could be pretty much anything. A Magic Bounce could be nice if you don't already have one, but I like Harvest Slaking as it utilizes things like Toxic and TSpike to be exceptionally infuriating to deal with. If you go the Magic Bounce route, I would suggest Steela, Zygod, BYRD, and Kyu-W as they each have their own merit. The final teams should look like this:
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I actually got a good win rate at high ladder with the first team, so you can check out Stallmons Tower here!

 

[AnsonIsTheBest]

HOW TO DO OFFENSIVE WALL BREAKING
progress:80%/100%​

Ever been trolled on ladder? Or just want to stop being annoyed by your friends? The Stall archetype has been playing these roles for years. Today, I will explain how to beat viable Pure Hackmons stall teams. But first, we must discuss the fundamentals of Beating PH stall teams, such as:

1. You will need to generally need a mon without a hard check to win. because else they can literally stall you out. Soft checks could be fine as long as you have ways to chip them down.
2. The stall team usually have at least 2 Wonder Guards. Even a single no guard deo-s can break though their team if the wonder guards are gone.
3. Prevent being nerfed by the stall team. They will try to bother you with status, rock, or simply direct damage to chip you down.

Now that we have clarified those, let's start looking at our ways to break them!
1 Wall breaking via one move
1.1 Taunt
Taunt is a important way to break though the walls. Through Taunt you can prevent the opposing mon from doing a lot of things, including healing, spamming haze, using the two screens, hazards setting and removing, and also their taunt. The only thing it is afraid of is the magic bounce users and the magic coats.

1.2 Shell Smash
Being able to immediately gain a +2 in both Atk, Spe and even SpA is the main reason why this meta is pretty offensive. In one move you are able to be a huge threat to your opponent. The main flaw is that it can be haze / Spectral Thieved.

1.3 CFZs
Imagine having access for every mon to an 200 base power move that ignores ability, or a 185 base power move that enables you to have all stats rise by 1? CFZs are definitely a scary way to break through the walls. The only problem is that you have only 1 pp each CFZ, so you have to make sure you use it on the right mon.

2 Wall breaking via a set
2.1 Mold Breaker + high base power moves
Mold Breaker had always been a effective tool against wonder guards. In USM Pure hackmons, we have access to the 3 ability ignoring moves, making mold breaker relatively less common, but this is exactly why they have become better at wall breaking here. One example is mold breaker v-create groudon-primal. When 180 base attack stats meets a 180 base power STAB move it can hit like a truck, while you can also have it banded, to make the power up to a sky high level, or you can have a Shell smash paired with z crystal or life orb or some defensive items, making it a unstoppable sweeper that can take advantage of defensive mons, but watchout for the impostor because its also hard for you to wall it.

2.2 Huge Power + CFZs
As we have mentioned, CFZs are big and strong offensive tools, and on top of that, we have huge power which boost your atk by 2 times directly, and 2 physical z moves with 200 base power and ignores ability. This is usually the more common way to break through stall teams and I don't really need to explain this, but just keep in mind that you have one pp for your z move, so make sure you click it in the right place on the right mon.

2.3 Harvest/recycle + leppa bery
Here we comes with this awful but useful set. Usually stall teams will have prank haze for the setup sweepers and tank the moldy moves and win by using up their pps. But this turn the side of the table as you naturally have infinite pps. there arent really some good defensive mons that have a positive match up against it. And core enforcer which is the hardest check to it can do nothing more than forcing it out.

2.4 Wonder Guard + Smash + Taunt
What will happen when you add the two wall breaking move both on one mon? You get the ultimate stall team destoryer. This is pretty self explanatory, some popular examples are arceus and kartana with the latter more focusing on anti ho in the same time.

3 Wall breaking via a core
3.1 spore + trap (+ trick / knock)
This one is my favorite. The idea is every mon have only 1 item slot, so they either have googles to prevent from being spored or shed shell to prevent from being trapped. The only thing we have to worry about here is the grass type shed shells and the ghost type goggles. But fortunately the strong defensive grass type mons are very rare, in most cases they refers to ferrothron and kartana only, which is easy to target on. On the other hand, the ghost types are a lot more common, but the fact that ghost type itself is weak to moongeist , pursuit, and knock off, its hard to miss them. Biggest concern here should be googles mega sableye. Trick and knock off can make long term progress and is especially helpful against balance and stall teams. Usually the core made up of some powerful spore spammer which can be a huge threat when opposing mon are sleeping and an efficient trapper that can punish those without shed shell hard enough. There aren't specific requirement on which mon or which set to use, but some examples are spore huge power shell smash kartana + arena trap mega gyarados



Im tired Ill add the rest later

 

[adriancosmoem]

hi it's adrian, you know me. posts are bad recently so i'm here to deliver quality by talking about underrated mons currently

NUMBER 1: MDOOM



mdoom is actually so him. very solid dark. if you love darkspam (superior offensive style) he's a good pick. he has many perfect qualities such as:

• 115 speed high enough to outspeed neutral 130s with timid, though he has to run modest a lot
• 140 spa high enough to support smash and cfz
• dark/fire is incredible despite rocks and fissure weak, resisting all molds is broken

some mdooms i have been running


billions must doom (Houndoom-Mega) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Wonder Guard
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Blue Flare
- Menacing Moonraze Maelstrom
- Toxic Spikes
- Trick

despite the random look, this set is incredible. scarf mdoom can do so many things for you. flare makes him a good cleaner bc most of the prio misses him and modest flare is just powerful in general. mmm ohkoes mgar and has a 75% to ohko mmx which makes it a really good revenge burst and it also serves as a lure for mmx. cc mmx won't think twice about staying in, especially if they know mmm will only ohko with modest and ada mmx outspeeds modest mdoom. tspikes are broken in general and idk why people don't use them more. i've found this mdoom to be one of the best tspikes setters in the game. as mentioned earlier, mmm will ohko mgar and blue flare will also do a large chunk, about 65-70. mbee will die to blue flare and they will also potentially be lured in if they have a super effective move. alomuk gets lured and scarf tricked, making him easily exploitable later by stag. so in the end mdoom can beat all the poisons without a lot of trouble. the steels obviously don't want to catch flare either, so mdoom beats those too. besides the odd head smash mdia, the majority of mg mons will lose to mdoom as well; aside from the odd head smash mdia, many mg mons prefer psychic + fairy coverage as they have a strong coverage in lor to abuse, or in the case of kart it likes to run stabs to abuse wood hammer. mgs also tend to run ghost (spectral) and dark (pursuit). so basically, they can't hit mdoom at all. ultimately it beats most of the tspikes answers single-handedly and it can beat the ones it can't cover with stag support. trick serves to cripple the mdoom answers it can't touch, like aforementioned alomuk but also coat normals. then you can stag them without much trouble. mdoom benefits from both shed shell (escapes common fight/water/ground coverage on stag) and goggles (improves mu vs spore psychics), making trick a win-win. i've honestly never had a game where this mon disappointed me


i'm... DOOMING!!! (Houndoom-Mega) @ Fist Plate / Earth Plate / Stone Plate / Splash Plate
Ability: Wonder Guard
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Shell Smash
- Judgment

i don't love wg plate and memory smashers in this gen. the second that wg is revealed you basically know their whole set. they completely lack set variety and are always at least slightly mu fish because of it. so why am i talking about wg smash mdoom and why did i give him 2 moves? mdoom is about the only wg smasher that can actually just run whatever it wants. compared to mons like kart and pogre, who both have 2 plate/memory types that overlap heavily, mdoom has 4 very different plates to run which can completely change its answers. for example, wg arc might wall earth plate but lose to fist plate, and pdon might tank a hit from fist plate but get smacked by earth and splash plate. because mdoom's plate cannot be scouted by impostor, you have no way to tell what its plate actually is until it hits you. the other thing that really sets mdoom apart from other smash sweepers is his triple mold resistance, which means you can run any mold and it will still beat imp. even sunsteel is good here, despite the weak power, because wgs are only really going to hit you with water, and you can tech for them all besides maybe pogre. this opens up a ridiculous amount of coverage combinations including double mold, photon + fairy, and geist + fight judge. again, impostor cannot safely scout this mon. it's also immune to all prio besides the rare mach punch, and it gets lots of setup opportunities due to its triple mold immunity, letting it live moves like huge power sunsteel from kart, huge power sss from mmx, and +2 mmm from mmy

NUMBER TWO: HP MLOP


lots of people in the discord have seen me trash on ng mlop and sing the praises of hp mlop as the superior set. i know that usually when people do this it's larp, but i'm being serious; hp mlop is genuinely 10 times better than ng mlop. i've gone into this mon a lot on discord but i also did that with mdoom. having a structured post just makes things better


mega lopbunny (Lopunny-Mega) @ Life Orb
Ability: Pure Power
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Extreme Speed
- Searing Sunraze Smash / Sunsteel Strike
- Bolt Strike / Spectral Thief

hp mlop is really really good vs offense and balance alike. this mon has two upsides. the first is powerful stab prio which is rare to come by. the second, and more important, reason is that it lures in wgs, especially in lead. the most common counter to ng is coat wg, which are often normals/darks like maud, melo, and alomuk. mlop can lure and eliminate these mons early in the game, which can seriously change the tide in your favor. life orb seems odd considering lo mmx gets correctly dragged a lot, but mlop needs it to get kills and you're not preserving your hp on this mon anyway. with espeed, mlop's speed tier is far less easily challenged by fast mons like mmy and deo-a. having such strong prio means it never does nothing in a game, and the only prio that will beat it out is smash espeed and -ate fake out. with the lo boost, mlop's cc is only slightly weaker than ada hp mmx's cc. for reference it can 2hko bold zyg-c unboosted, no hazards. cc into espeed is a really good way to beat pranksters because you can hit them again before they recover / sap / reflect / wisp. sunsteel and sss are just generic moldy moves. it's worth noting that you're only really gonna have one sunsteel target a game, because most teams will have a sunsteel resist wg. this makes it a really nice user of sss. last move is either bolt to hit steela mbro whatever, or sthief because it outspeeds and ohkoes mmx and mgar

NUMBER THREE: MG MRAY



i have been singing mray praises in general recently but especially for the mg set i'm about to post


the back burner (Rayquaza-Mega) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Rash Nature
- Shell Smash
- Moongeist Beam
- Sunsteel Strike
- Clangorous Soulblaze

i think mray's insane in general. like this is a pokemon that has 180/180 mixed offense and you have no idea what it'll run. this set kinda uses expected coverage but the answers don't answer this all the same. toxorb is really nice here to dodge sleep from mons who can't kill you at +0 like wg kart or fissure. it also avoids paralyze from zap and burn from sfire. it's really hard to stop this mon without prio because it ignores innards/rocks chip completely. smash double mold is really not something that needs to be explained, but soulblaze makes mray unique. if used right you can kill opposing prankster while getting an omniboost and you can also use it to remove def drops from smash. this makes it even harder to revenge. you can also just use it off the jump to revenge kill something and start a sweep. it's easy to proof this with the usual suspects like mgyara and pogre too

thanks for reading

 

[Akira]

Submitting one of my realest teams as a sample since apparently people are still complaining about the samples being bad.

OFFENSE-OFFENSEKILLERv2

Honestly idk why I named it like that but it's pretty cool it won in PHPL and I was also laddering with it pretty well went like 18-0 or something before I got bored.
It's sort of like a balance if you don't look at it too hard because there's 2 wonder guards and neither are weak to an ohko move (big ask for me). The MMX is probably a larper but vacuum wave to RK impostered kart is funny as fuck change it to high jump kick mind blown or cc if you are a hater.
The Muk is notably not a larper this guy will singlehandedly win a bunch of interactions because lovely kiss is fair and balanced.

Edit: Also PLEASE change the safety goggles on the darm on Clockup Flowers to an Air Balloon oh my god.

 

[mayonnaise. mayo.]

OFFENSE-OFFENSEKILLERv2

MMX IS WILLIAM AFTON CONFIRMED

makes sense because mmx murders

 

[Slothlotliscool]

Submitting one of my realest teams as a sample since apparently people are still complaining about the samples being bad.

OFFENSE-OFFENSEKILLERv2

Honestly idk why I named it like that but it's pretty cool it won in PHPL and I was also laddering with it pretty well went like 18-0 or something before I got bored.
It's sort of like a balance if you don't look at it too hard because there's 2 wonder guards and neither are weak to an ohko move (big ask for me). The MMX is probably a larper but vacuum wave to RK impostered kart is funny as fuck change it to high jump kick mind blown or cc if you are a hater.
The Muk is notably not a larper this guy will singlehandedly win a bunch of interactions because lovely kiss is fair and balanced.

Edit: Also PLEASE change the safety goggles on the darm on Clockup Flowers to an Air Balloon oh my god.

Remember kids, this is why you run shell smash v-create bonemerang jolly pdon!

 

[Electra102]

Made a personal VR. All of these placements are based on solely my own opinion. If I didn't include an ability, I may have just forgotten about it, but it is more likely that I know about it and chose not to mention it. The same goes for any Pokemon not here. Placements within tiers are in alphabetical order. A lot of these takes are going to be insane.


S Rank
S+
Blissey (Imposter, Innards Out, Wonder Guard)

S
Chansey (Imposter, Innards Out)

S-
Kartana (Huge Power, Magic Guard, No Guard, Prankster, Wonder Guard)
Mewtwo-Mega-Y (Innards Out, Magic Guard, No Guard, Protean, Psychic Surge, Wonder Guard)
Slaking (Harvest, Huge Power, Wonder Guard)
Yveltal (Huge Power, Magic Bounce, Magic Guard)

A Rank
A+
Arceus (Wonder Guard)
Gengar-Mega (Magic Guard, Mold Breaker, No Guard, Parental Bond)
Mewtwo-Mega-X (Huge Power)
Regigigas (Huge Power, Wonder Guard)

A
Greninja-Ash (Huge Power, Mold Breaker, No Guard, Wonder Guard)
Groudon-Primal (Huge Power, Magic Guard, Mold Breaker, Prankster, Shadow Tag, Wonder Guard)
Kyurem-Black (Innards Out, Magic Bounce)
Kyurem-White (Innards Out, Magic Bounce)
Muk-Alola (Mold Breaker, Wonder Guard)
Steelix-Mega (Prankster)
Zygarde-Complete (Prankster)

A-
Deoxys-Speed (Mold Breaker, No Guard)
Diancie-Mega (Harvest?, Huge Power?, Pixilate)
Ferrothorn (Wonder Guard)
Heatran (Prankster?, Wonder Guard)
Lopunny-Mega (Huge Power?, No Guard)
Meloetta (Harvest???, Wonder Guard)
Pheromosa (Huge Power, Magic Guard, Mold Breaker, No Guard, Wonder Guard)
Rayquaza-Mega (Magic Guard, Mold Breaker, Shadow Tag)
Swampert-Mega (Wonder Guard)

B Rank
B+
Audino-Mega (Wonder Guard)
Deoxys-Attack (Magic Guard, Psychic Surge)
Gardevoir-Mega (Magic Guard, Wonder Guard)
Giratina-Origin (Harvest)
Gyarados-Mega (Magic Guard, Wonder Guard)
Lunala (Innards Out, Wonder Guard)
Metagross-Mega (No Guard)
Scizor-Mega (Wonder Guard)
Solgaleo (Fur Coat, No Guard)

B
Alakazam-Mega (Psychic Surge)
Banette-Mega (Huge Power)
Kyogre-Primal (Poison Heal?, Wonder Guard)
Necrozma-Dawn-Wings (Wonder Guard)
Necrozma-Dusk-Mane (Huge Power)
Necrozma-Ultra (Huge Power)
Slowbro-Mega (Fur Coat, Prankster, Wonder Guard)

B-
Articuno (Magic Bounce)
Celesteela (Prankster, Primordial Sea, Wonder Guard)
Doublade (Fur Coat?, Magic Bounce, Primordial Sea)
Ho-Oh (Magic Bounce, Magic Guard, Prankster, Wonder Guard)
Lugia (Magic Bounce, Magic Guard, Prankster)
Marowak-Alola (Huge Power)
Pikachu (Imposter)
Sceptile-Mega (No Guard)
Xerneas (Innards Out, Mold Breaker)

C Rank
Excadrill (Innards Out)
Guzzlord (Innards Out)
Heracross-Mega (Huge Power)
Lucario-Mega (No Guard)
Registeel (Magic Bounce???)
Type: Null (Magic Bounce, Wonder Guard)

I will not be providing any explanations. If you disagree with any of my takes, you can contact me if you take your complaint to my secretary. Please message them here.

 

[ZeldaFan1]

Made a personal VR. All of these placements are based on solely my own opinion. If I didn't include an ability, I may have just forgotten about it, but it is more likely that I know about it and chose not to mention it. The same goes for any Pokemon not here. Placements within tiers are in alphabetical order. A lot of these takes are going to be insane.


S Rank
S+
Blissey (Imposter, Innards Out, Wonder Guard)

S
Chansey (Imposter, Innards Out)

S-
Kartana (Huge Power, Magic Guard, No Guard, Prankster)
Mewtwo-Mega-Y (Innards Out, Magic Guard, No Guard, Protean, Psychic Surge, Wonder Guard)
Slaking (Harvest, Huge Power, Wonder Guard)
Yveltal (Huge Power, Magic Bounce, Magic Guard)

A Rank
A+
Arceus (Wonder Guard)
Gengar-Mega (Magic Guard, Mold Breaker No Guard, Parental Bond)
Mewtwo-Mega-X (Huge Power)
Regigigas (Huge Power, Wonder Guard)

A
Greninja-Ash (Huge Power, Mold Breaker, No Guard, Wonder Guard)
Groudon-Primal (Huge Power, Magic Guard, Mold Breaker, Prankster, Shadow Tag, Wonder Guard)
Kyurem-Black (Innards Out, Magic Bounce)
Kyurem-White (Innards Out, Magic Bounce)
Muk-Alola (Mold Breaker, Wonder Guard)
Steelix-Mega (Prankster)
Zygarde-Complete (Prankster)

A-
Deoxys-Speed (Mold Breaker, No Guard)
Diancie-Mega (Harvest?, Huge Power?, Pixilate)
Ferrothorn (Wonder Guard)
Heatran (Prankster?, Wonder Guard)
Lopunny-Mega (Huge Power?, No Guard)
Meloetta (Harvest???, Wonder Guard)
Pheromosa (Huge Power, Magic Guard, Mold Breaker, No Guard, Wonder Guard)
Rayquaza-Mega (Magic Guard, Mold Breaker, Shadow Tag)
Swampert-Mega (Wonder Guard)

B Rank
B+
Audino-Mega (Wonder Guard)
Deoxys-Attack (Magic Guard, Psychic Surge)
Gardevoir-Mega (Magic Guard, Wonder Guard)
Giratina-Origin (Harvest)
Gyarados-Mega (Magic Guard, Wonder Guard)
Lunala (Innards Out, Wonder Guard)
Metagross-Mega (No Guard)
Scizor-Mega (Wonder Guard)
Solgaleo (Fur Coat, No Guard)

B
Alakazam-Mega (Psychic Surge)
Banette-Mega (Huge Power)
Kyogre-Primal (Poison Heal?, Wonder Guard)
Necrozma-Dawn-Wings (Wonder Guard)
Necrozma-Dusk-Mane (Huge Power)
Necrozma-Ultra (Huge Power)
Slowbro-Mega (Fur Coat, Wonder Guard)

B-
Articuno (Magic Bounce)
Celesteela (Prankster, Primordial Sea, Wonder Guard)
Doublade (Fur Coat?, Magic Bounce, Primordial Sea)
Ho-Oh (Magic Bounce, Magic Guard, Prankster, Wonder Guard)
Lugia (Magic Bounce, Magic Guard, Prankster)
Marowak-Alola (Huge Power)
Pikachu (Imposter)
Sceptile-Mega (No Guard)
Xerneas (Innards Out, Mold Breaker)

C Rank
Excadrill (Innards Out)
Guzzlord (Innards Out)
Heracross-Mega (Huge Power)
Lucario-Mega (No Guard)
Registeel (Magic Bounce???)
Type: Null (Magic Bounce, Wonder Guard)

I will not be providing any explanations. If you disagree with any of my takes, you can contact me if you take your complaint to my secretary. Please message them here.

"But what if I just argued with your takes here, and here alone? Then what? Well, let's find out, shall we?

First off, Yveltal. What on gods green earth is Yveltal doing being higher then more or less everything in A+ rank? For whatever reason, people are acting like MMX is not as good as it is because every team is forced to counter it. Not many teams need to run a counter for fucking Yveltal. As well, MGar is just way more splashable then Yveltal, Regigigas is just better overall for reasons I will not explain, and Arceus is way more splashable then Yveltal is. HP Yveltal seems like a bootleg MMX that can't just maul things but it can press Pursuit or something so it is somehow better, Magic Guard is a Innards fish with very little usage outside of that because Yveltal without HP is hitting like a limp noodle, and Magic Bounce can be put on anything bulky and still work. Yveltal is not the golden child. Yveltal is not a MMX sidegrade.

Mold Breaker Muk-A..........ok

Heatran and Diancie somehow getting above MAud is...a choice. A very stupid choice, but a choice.

Deo-S being above MAud is....just bad.

Slowbro being in the same tier as Ala is one of the bad choices of all time.

Mega Aggron, despite being a minimum sidegrade and a lot of the time upgrade to Mega Steelix with a better typing, very similar stats, and Anchor Shot existing to make ground stab not matter as much is somehow not even ranked. I assume you forgot. I hope you forgot.

Also who the hell is running Huge Power and Harvest on Diancie? Why?

Also Zygarde not having Magic Bounce as a ability, when you put such abilities as Harvest Melo and Poison Heal POgre on the board.

These sure were some insane takes, that's for sure.

 

[PenultimateToast]

Also who the hell is running Huge Power and Harvest on Diancie? Why?

adriancosmoem iirc, harvest diancie with evoboost sunraze maelstrom and let's snuggle forever is a really scary sweeper if it sets up

not responding to the whole post because i'm lazy have a set i've like never used instead because i don't wanna make this a one liner


Mewtwo-Mega-Y @ Focus Sash
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sheer Cold
- Magma Storm
- Taunt
- Stealth Rock / Spikes / Toxic Spikes

similar to that one ng gar, force hazards up with your ohko move/magma storm/taunt, sheer cold can be swapped out for fissure and magma storm can be some other shit if you want to hit kyurems harder, this guy seems kinda annoying to improof tho because they can taunt as you go to your mcoat guy though you can mu fish no imposter it seems like a manageable weakness

i think ng mmy has a good amount of potential just in general, offensive sets seem decent enough but utility sets are pretty unexplored imo, i can see a lot more sets that could work besides this one

why did i put this guy below mlop on my ng vr WHAT WAS I DOING

 

[WindySnivy_]

adriancosmoem iirc, harvest diancie with evoboost sunraze maelstrom and let's snuggle forever is a really scary sweeper if it sets up

not responding to the whole post because i'm lazy have a set i've like never used instead because i don't wanna make this a one liner


Mewtwo-Mega-Y @ Focus Sash
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sheer Cold
- Magma Storm
- Taunt
- Stealth Rock / Spikes / Toxic Spikes

similar to that one ng gar, force hazards up with your ohko move/magma storm/taunt, sheer cold can be swapped out for fissure and magma storm can be some other shit if you want to hit kyurems harder, this guy seems kinda annoying to improof tho because they can taunt as you go to your mcoat guy though you can mu fish no imposter it seems like a manageable weakness

i think ng mmy has a good amount of potential just in general, offensive sets seem decent enough but utility sets are pretty unexplored imo, i can see a lot more sets that could work besides this one

why did i put this guy below mlop on my ng vr WHAT WAS I DOING

taunt storm ngs are underrated imo, they can force some serious progress on unprepared teams and seem quite good into ho teams without prank spore

 

[mayonnaise. mayo.]

i got to 1500 elo on ladder so i'm not touching that ever again
anyways here's a
MAYO TEAM DUMP
click on the icons for the paste



two versions of mmx spam. the main point between the alterations was so other mmxes were immune to priority (fakespeed slak, ice shard kart, etc). if you want to use this, i suggest you use the second version (the one with psysurge).


mmy spam. another funni psyspam team. smash sweepers are bonkers on psyspam and stuff.


triple pdon. mandatory two wonder guards because no guard and they also improof everything except mold pdon, which is improofed by innards.


kart spam. the only good team out of all of these in my opinion. heatran improofs all sets except no guard, which we have wg kart for. ygod tanks moongeist and other special coverage (besides moonblast or lor) because the rest of the team gets evaporated by it.

 

[WindySnivy_]

This is NOT a copy of Mayo's post. Instead, here's a
FAILED SNIVY TEAM DUMP
All of the teams here have lost me rating points. If you're a high ladder player, I would advise you not to use these teams. But maybe I'm just piloting them wrong, idk.
click on the icons for the paste


My first attempt at a Shadow Tag- based team. This team didn't have much synergy and not enough support to make STag work in the long run.


This team, unlike some others, is actually quite fun to use. The point of this team is to get Gyarados online, as Prankster Assist (Power Trip) can rip through unprepared teams. However, Gyarados's teammates only being allowed to use a few sub-par moves and CFZs makes the team heavily reliant on Gyarados's damage.


After I read Mayo's fanfic about stall, I was dying to try Level 1 Ferroseed on ladder. However, it didn't go so well. Ferroseed is just too easily exploitable, whether by priority moves or Grass types.


I'm not actually sure what went wrong with this team, but it lost me quite a few points. If anyone has a clue as to why it's so bad, please tell me your thoughts.



Two versions of MMY spam. They're both worse than MMX spam, but I would recommend using the second version, as Kartana can cover more checks (and allow more MMY sets) than Raticate. Also, two of the MMYs have bug coverage, a huge whoopsie on my part.

 

[Slothlotliscool]

This is NOT a copy of Mayo's post. Instead, here's a
FAILED SNIVY TEAM DUMP
All of the teams here have lost me rating points. If you're a high ladder player, I would advise you not to use these teams. But maybe I'm just piloting them wrong, idk.
click on the icons for the paste


My first attempt at a Shadow Tag- based team. This team didn't have much synergy and not enough support to make STag work in the long run.


This team, unlike some others, is actually quite fun to use. The point of this team is to get Gyarados online, as Prankster Assist (Power Trip) can rip through unprepared teams. However, Gyarados's teammates only being allowed to use a few sub-par moves and CFZs makes the team heavily reliant on Gyarados's damage.


After I read Mayo's fanfic about stall, I was dying to try Level 1 Ferroseed on ladder. However, it didn't go so well. Ferroseed is just too easily exploitable, whether by priority moves or Grass types.


I'm not actually sure what went wrong with this team, but it lost me quite a few points. If anyone has a clue as to why it's so bad, please tell me your thoughts.



Two versions of MMY spam. They're both worse than MMX spam, but I would recommend using the second version, as Kartana can cover more checks (and allow more MMY sets) than Raticate. Also, two of the MMYs have bug coverage, a huge whoopsie on my part.

I response to the level 1 ferroseed, give it soak (:. here is my set:https://pokepast.es/c47baca0b68c3036 it’s terrible but it’s a level 1 ferroseed soooo

 

[WindySnivy_]

I response to the level 1 ferroseed, give it soak (:. here is my set:https://pokepast.es/c47baca0b68c3036 it’s terrible but it’s a level 1 ferroseed soooo

you need sash because >99% of offensive mons have moldy moves and all of them hit ferro lol

 

[Slothlotliscool]

you need sash because >99% of offensive mons have moldy moves and all of them hit ferro lol

Hmmm… maybe it could be good in bh?
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