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Should Heavy-Duty Boots be allowed

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:Excadrill: I'm always surprised at how reliable this mon feels. Between Air Balloon, Scarf, and bulkier sets, it just feels really great all around, between checking Magearna / Clefable, being a great spinner, opposing ground switch-in with Air Balloon, and all-around having great utility and threat level. Having that 88 speed tier is just so nice to outpace various mons like Ceruledge, Bax, etc. I think there is a case for him to be one of the best mons in the tier.

:Gyarados: Anyone find this Pokemon extremely frustrating to face? It has a lot of ways to just disrupt most standard checks between Taunt Power Whip, Ice Fang, Bounce, EQ, Dragon Tail (if you are nutty), that it feels like you are just rolling the dice, praying you dont face the one variant that rolls over your team - which ends up not going in your favor anyways because of a Waterfall flinch lol. Admittingly, I think its defensive profile is really amazing on more offensive teams because it gets good entrypoints on annoying Pokemon like Blaziken, Keldeo, Excadrill, etc, Intimidate can let it slow down an opposing threat, and Taunt makes it amazing at beating up lame annoying fat cores. Mega Chesnaught buff is big blow to it however. It pairs super nicely with Magearna to bully ground-types imo.

:Gholdengo: Your average Joe probably sees Gholdengo as the "face of powercreep" in gen 9. Despite this, I find myself rarely wanting to add Gholdengo to my teams in legends ZA OU. It's still a big threat and Wallbreaker, but in most cases, I am finding myself preferring the utility of other Steel-types, like Heatran, Magearna, and Excadrill - which all aren't quite as weak to pursuit as Gholdengo is. With how powerful Garchomp and other Grounds are in this tier, it feels tough stacking Steels as well. I think Gholdengo may also face some competition in its wallbreaking role with many of the faster, stronger Megas. Still a fine Pokemon - even moreso now due to its good MUs into chesnaught and Mega Clefable, but I am curious if other Players find Gholdengo worse than in gen 9 OU.
 
God I hate Clefable so much, I am using Mega Skarmory just to kill this pink little shit but every single mf is running a defensive core of Clef/rotom/magerna/Slowbro/umbreon/Corviknight. Any team I come across after 1400 is the exact same with slight variation, 4 defensive cores only their to cripple opponent with 2 actual real offensive mons.
I have played 60+ turn match with my HO team only to see my opps team having 5 of it's mon close to full health because the pink shit just wishes them back to full hp.

There's GOT to be a hyper offensive team that can break past these defensive cores.

Maybe I will restart running Mega Lucario since not many use it anymore and replace vaccum wave with dark pulse to deal with Slowbro.

Edit: I miss Annhilape, he made these defensive cores a joke under right circumstances. Can't believe it got banned before magerna
 
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Ostenberg said:
God I hate Clefable so much, I am using Mega Skarmory just to kill this pink little shit but every single mf is running a defensive core of Clef/rotom/magerna/Slowbro/umbreon/Corviknight. Any team I come across after 1400 is the exact same with slight variation, 4 defensive cores only their to cripple opponent with 2 actual real offensive mons.
I have played 60+ turn match with my HO team only to see my opps team having 5 of it's mon close to full health because the pink shit just wishes them back to full hp.

There's GOT to be a hyper offensive team that can break past these defensive cores.

Maybe I will restart running Mega Lucario since not many use it anymore and replace vaccum wave with dark pulse to deal with Slowbro.

Edit: I miss Annhilape, he made these defensive cores a joke under right circumstances. Can't believe it got banned before magerna
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Try Tyranitar + Specs Keldeo. Keldeo can break through most of these things with time and slowbro gets knocked or pursuit trapped.
Life Orb Blaziken with Knock Off can also work well.
 
I do agree there is a lot of potential for busted breaking cores ppl haven't found out yet. With the movepool buffs, Pursuit being back in the game, and Gholdengo existing with all the other ways to deny or punish hazard control there is no world where you should have a lot of trouble breaking past slower teams.
Ostenberg said:
I have played 60+ turn match with my HO team only to see my opps team having 5 of it's mon close to full health because the pink shit just wishes them back to full hp.
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Surely there has to exist somewhere a Oricorio-like mon with boosting move/Taunt/recovery/attack that 6-0s semi-stall on preview for HO to use. I don't really play the tier but surely there's no way that doesn't exist.
 
Ostenberg said:
God I hate Clefable so much, I am using Mega Skarmory just to kill this pink little shit but every single mf is running a defensive core of Clef/rotom/magerna/Slowbro/umbreon/Corviknight. Any team I come across after 1400 is the exact same with slight variation, 4 defensive cores only their to cripple opponent with 2 actual real offensive mons.
I have played 60+ turn match with my HO team only to see my opps team having 5 of it's mon close to full health because the pink shit just wishes them back to full hp.

There's GOT to be a hyper offensive team that can break past these defensive cores.

Maybe I will restart running Mega Lucario since not many use it anymore and replace vaccum wave with dark pulse to deal with Slowbro.

Edit: I miss Annhilape, he made these defensive cores a joke under right circumstances. Can't believe it got banned before magerna
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so you are saying some player are running exact same team of clef rotom magerna slowbro umbroen and corviknight/
 
mega dnite is kinda nutty with an actual offensive ability. i know it's only been a day with sheer force but this thing is fat as shit, has near perfect coverage, and worst of all can just bluff being a normal dnite in 90% of team structures/games. it's like SV OU dnite but instead of guessing between 8 different tera types you're guessing whether or not it's going to sweep you with DD or turn into chi-yu jr and fucking vaporize half your team. maybe i just need to adapt but this thing is incredibly strong
 
Here are two sets of UU mons I believe are underrated.

:sv/overqwil:
Overqwil @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Spikes
- Mortal Spin
- Taunt
- Crunch

Overqwil has always had potential everywhere but is often held back by player choices. Some players absolutely want to have their Overqwil for as long as possible, using Black Sludge and/or Pain Split, but it's just not what it's meant to do.
I believe this set is a fantastic pick in offense teams for many reasons: Psychic immunity deters Psychic Surge teams from spamming Psychic moves and it easily switches into M-Chesnaught and its teammates so you got a solid mon to combat Terrain offense.
Spikes and Taunt is great at chipping down defensive mons, especially since mons like Amoonguss and Umbreon can't poison you.
Mortal Spin is a great buff, allowing Overqwil to have a guaranteed way of poisoning foes while acting as a secondary hazard control option in tandem with another more offensive spinner like Excadrill, Excadrill, or Excadrill. Excadrill in particular can come in on the Steels that want to block Mortal Spin, especially Magearna.
Finally, Crunch gives you a way to threaten Gholdengo as well as chipping down Steels like Excadrill or Melmetal for actually decent damage.
Mortal Spin makes it even more tempting for Steels to switch in, and you can easily double into your Ground/Fighting/Fire type breaker for easy pressure, especially when accounting for the Spikes Overqwil sets. Overqwil's typing, stats and ability in Intimidate makes it a fantastic blanket check to many physical attackers in the tier like M-Absol-Z, M-Zeraora-Z, Dragonite, Ceruledge, Baxcalibur, Gyarados, Melmetal, Scizor, Tyranitar, Hawlucha, and I'm probably forgetting a lot of them. From there, you can rack up Rocky Helmet damage and inflict guaranteed poison with Mortal Spin while clearing hazards (or chip the steels with Crunch ig). You can even prevent further setup from the likes of Dragonite thanks to Taunt once you poisoned them. Don't forget you also have a great matchup against slow defensive mons thanks to poison, Taunt, and your own immunity to poison. Really, I don't know what more you would want from a support mon for offense teams. Its only real downside is that it's a Ground-weak physdef mon, which means you absolutely need a surefire way to handle Excadrill and offensive Garchomp.


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:sv/floette-eternal:
Floette-Eternal (F) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Flower Veil
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Light of Ruin
- Moonblast
- Aromatherapy
- Synthesis

I've already sung the praises of Scarf Floette pre-DLC, but a lot has happened with the DLC and its strenghts and weaknesses both became more pronounced. New Steels in Heatran, Melmetal, and Magearna, as well as a few new poisons in Glowking and Amoonguss can easily switch in. On the other hand, we've got a bunch of fast, offensive powerhouses like the new Z-megas as well as a higher presence of Fightings, Darks and Dragons to prey on. What really makes Floette shine in my opinion is being a Scarfer able to outspeed even M-Zeraora-Z and OHKOing all of the Z megas. Bringing a Dragon immunity is fantastic as well, making it much easier to play around M-Garchomp-Z. Fairy typing coupled with good Special Defense also means you can switch into special attackers once, or even twice, especially on Greninjas or Darkrais clicking Dark Pulse. Your movepool is very limited, but the new Steels all lack reliable recovery which can easily be abused by offense teams. If you ever get Knocked, you can always use Synthesis and Aromatherapy, but keeping your Choice Scarf intact should be a priority. All in all, this set is another great pick for Offense teams as the team's Fairy-type and revenge killer.


Here is a team I've made using these sets: :meowstic-f::excadrill::rotom-wash::overqwil::floette-eternal::armarouge:
I wanted to try out a new Mega so here is Mega Meowstic-F.
Ability Shield Rotom-W is there to give a Ground switch-in without losing to Mold Breaker Excadrill as well as bringing a pivoting option (with 30 Speed IVs to be slower than opposing Rotoms and Volt Switch last. Forgive me if I bring an age of lvl 99 Slowking).
Excadrill is the best mon in the tier.
I really wanted to not use the obvious Armarouge pairing with Psychic Terrain but come on, a Fire/Psychic breaker who can beat Heatran? It's too good to pass up on.

edit: put moonblast over alluring voice on meowstic​
 
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fluff!! said:
Here are two sets of UU mons I believe are underrated.

:sv/overqwil:
Overqwil @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Spikes
- Mortal Spin
- Taunt
- Crunch

Overqwil has always had potential everywhere but is often held back by player choices. Some players absolutely want to have their Overqwil for as long as possible, using Black Sludge and/or Pain Split, but it's just not what it's meant to do.
I believe this set is a fantastic pick in offense teams for many reasons: Psychic immunity deters Psychic Surge teams from spamming Psychic moves and it easily switches into M-Chesnaught and its teammates so you got a solid mon to combat Terrain offense.
Spikes and Taunt is great at chipping down defensive mons, especially since mons like Amoonguss and Umbreon can't poison you.
Mortal Spin is a great buff, allowing Overqwil to have a guaranteed way of poisoning foes while acting as a secondary hazard control option in tandem with another more offensive spinner like Excadrill, Excadrill, or Excadrill. Excadrill in particular can come in on the Steels that want to block Mortal Spin, especially Magearna.
Finally, Crunch gives you a way to threaten Gholdengo as well as chipping down Steels like Excadrill or Melmetal for actually decent damage.
Mortal Spin makes it even more tempting for Steels to switch in, and you can easily double into your Ground/Fighting/Fire type breaker for easy pressure, especially when accounting for the Spikes Overqwil sets. Overqwil's typing, stats and ability in Intimidate makes it a fantastic blanket check to many physical attackers in the tier like M-Absol-Z, M-Zeraora-Z, Dragonite, Ceruledge, Baxcalibur, Gyarados, Melmetal, Scizor, Tyranitar, Hawlucha, and I'm probably forgetting a lot of them. From there, you can rack up Rocky Helmet damage and inflict guaranteed poison with Mortal Spin while clearing hazards (or chip the steels with Crunch ig). You can even prevent further setup from the likes of Dragonite thanks to Taunt once you poisoned them. Don't forget you also have a great matchup against slow defensive mons thanks to poison, Taunt, and your own immunity to poison. Really, I don't know what more you would want from a support mon for offense teams. Its only real downside is that it's a Ground-weak physdef mon, which means you absolutely need a surefire way to handle Excadrill and offensive Garchomp.


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:sv/floette-eternal:
Floette-Eternal (F) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Flower Veil
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Light of Ruin
- Moonblast
- Aromatherapy
- Synthesis

I've already sung the praises of Scarf Floette pre-DLC, but a lot has happened with the DLC and its strenghts and weaknesses both became more pronounced. New Steels in Heatran, Melmetal, and Magearna, as well as a few new poisons in Glowking and Amoonguss can easily switch in. On the other hand, we've got a bunch of fast, offensive powerhouses like the new Z-megas as well as a higher presence of Fightings, Darks and Dragons to prey on. What really makes Floette shine in my opinion is being a Scarfer able to outspeed even M-Zeraora-Z and OHKOing all of the Z megas. Bringing a Dragon immunity is fantastic as well, making it much easier to play around M-Garchomp-Z. Fairy typing coupled with good Special Defense also means you can switch into special attackers once, or even twice, especially on Greninjas or Darkrais clicking Dark Pulse. Your movepool is very limited, but the new Steels all lack reliable recovery which can easily be abused by offense teams. If you ever get Knocked, you can always use Synthesis and Aromatherapy, but keeping your Choice Scarf intact should be a priority. All in all, this set is another great pick for Offense teams as the team's Fairy-type and revenge killer.


Here is a team I've made using these sets: :meowstic-f::excadrill::rotom-wash::overqwil::floette-eternal::armarouge:
I wanted to try out a new Mega so here is Mega Meowstic-F.
Ability Shield Rotom-W is there to give a Ground switch-in without losing to Mold Breaker Excadrill as well as bringing a pivoting option (with 30 Speed IVs to be slower than opposing Rotoms and Volt Switch last. Forgive me if I bring an age of lvl 99 Slowking).
Excadrill is the best mon in the tier.
I really wanted to not use the obvious Armarouge pairing with Psychic Terrain but come on, a Fire/Psychic breaker who can beat Heatran? It's too good to pass up on.
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nice
 
Cuddly said:
Just in case you guys didn’t hate Magearna enough and thought it was fine.
Magearna @ Grassy Seed
Ability: Soul-Heart
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 12 HP / 16 Def / 252 SpA / 228 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Shift Gear
- Calm Mind
- Draining Kiss
- Stored Power
With Grassy Seed and Grassy Terrain, Magearna effortlessly tanks Earthquake from Excadrill, basically the only check to Magearna.
252+ Atk Excadrill Earthquake vs. +1 0 HP / 0 Def Magearna in Grassy Terrain: 110-132 (36.5 - 43.8%) -- 98.6% chance to 3HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
252 Atk Excadrill Earthquake vs. +1 0 HP / 0 Def Magearna in Grassy Terrain: 102-120 (33.8 - 39.8%) -- 20.4% chance to 3HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
With this, you can easily set up a Shift Gear and possibly 2 Calm Minds. Draining Kiss at +2 heals off nearly the same amount of damage as Jolly would do and you can then Stored Power Excadrill the following turn.
+2 252+ SpA Magearna Draining Kiss vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Excadrill: 127-150 (35.1 - 41.5%) -- 80.8% chance to 3HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
+2 252+ SpA Magearna Stored Power (180 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Excadrill: 305-359 (84.4 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
And oh yeah, that Grassy Seed contributed to Stored Power’s power and after KOing Excadrill you have a 200 BP Psychic move off a +3 130 Modest SpA.
The EVs allow you to outspeed Mega Zeraora after Shift Gear and your HP is divisible by 16 to maximize Grassy Terrain healing. Rest is in Def to help you tank more physically by a bit.
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You can set up on Garchomp, if there is no Heatran, Mel or idk what to switch into when you set up. Also Mclef can be anoying, and Heart Swap Magearna is played exactly for set up Magearna. And I think that it. Sorry if I said bad thing, that's some of what happened on my game, im not a pro so im maybe in the wrong for some things
 
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fluff!! said:
Here are two sets of UU mons I believe are underrated.

:sv/overqwil:
Overqwil @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Spikes
- Mortal Spin
- Taunt
- Crunch

Overqwil has always had potential everywhere but is often held back by player choices. Some players absolutely want to have their Overqwil for as long as possible, using Black Sludge and/or Pain Split, but it's just not what it's meant to do.
I believe this set is a fantastic pick in offense teams for many reasons: Psychic immunity deters Psychic Surge teams from spamming Psychic moves and it easily switches into M-Chesnaught and its teammates so you got a solid mon to combat Terrain offense.
Spikes and Taunt is great at chipping down defensive mons, especially since mons like Amoonguss and Umbreon can't poison you.
Mortal Spin is a great buff, allowing Overqwil to have a guaranteed way of poisoning foes while acting as a secondary hazard control option in tandem with another more offensive spinner like Excadrill, Excadrill, or Excadrill. Excadrill in particular can come in on the Steels that want to block Mortal Spin, especially Magearna.
Finally, Crunch gives you a way to threaten Gholdengo as well as chipping down Steels like Excadrill or Melmetal for actually decent damage.
Mortal Spin makes it even more tempting for Steels to switch in, and you can easily double into your Ground/Fighting/Fire type breaker for easy pressure, especially when accounting for the Spikes Overqwil sets. Overqwil's typing, stats and ability in Intimidate makes it a fantastic blanket check to many physical attackers in the tier like M-Absol-Z, M-Zeraora-Z, Dragonite, Ceruledge, Baxcalibur, Gyarados, Melmetal, Scizor, Tyranitar, Hawlucha, and I'm probably forgetting a lot of them. From there, you can rack up Rocky Helmet damage and inflict guaranteed poison with Mortal Spin while clearing hazards (or chip the steels with Crunch ig). You can even prevent further setup from the likes of Dragonite thanks to Taunt once you poisoned them. Don't forget you also have a great matchup against slow defensive mons thanks to poison, Taunt, and your own immunity to poison. Really, I don't know what more you would want from a support mon for offense teams. Its only real downside is that it's a Ground-weak physdef mon, which means you absolutely need a surefire way to handle Excadrill and offensive Garchomp.


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:sv/floette-eternal:
Floette-Eternal (F) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Flower Veil
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Light of Ruin
- Moonblast
- Aromatherapy
- Synthesis

I've already sung the praises of Scarf Floette pre-DLC, but a lot has happened with the DLC and its strenghts and weaknesses both became more pronounced. New Steels in Heatran, Melmetal, and Magearna, as well as a few new poisons in Glowking and Amoonguss can easily switch in. On the other hand, we've got a bunch of fast, offensive powerhouses like the new Z-megas as well as a higher presence of Fightings, Darks and Dragons to prey on. What really makes Floette shine in my opinion is being a Scarfer able to outspeed even M-Zeraora-Z and OHKOing all of the Z megas. Bringing a Dragon immunity is fantastic as well, making it much easier to play around M-Garchomp-Z. Fairy typing coupled with good Special Defense also means you can switch into special attackers once, or even twice, especially on Greninjas or Darkrais clicking Dark Pulse. Your movepool is very limited, but the new Steels all lack reliable recovery which can easily be abused by offense teams. If you ever get Knocked, you can always use Synthesis and Aromatherapy, but keeping your Choice Scarf intact should be a priority. All in all, this set is another great pick for Offense teams as the team's Fairy-type and revenge killer.


Here is a team I've made using these sets: :meowstic-f::excadrill::rotom-wash::overqwil::floette-eternal::armarouge:
I wanted to try out a new Mega so here is Mega Meowstic-F.
Ability Shield Rotom-W is there to give a Ground switch-in without losing to Mold Breaker Excadrill as well as bringing a pivoting option (with 30 Speed IVs to be slower than opposing Rotoms and Volt Switch last. Forgive me if I bring an age of lvl 99 Slowking).
Excadrill is the best mon in the tier.
I really wanted to not use the obvious Armarouge pairing with Psychic Terrain but come on, a Fire/Psychic breaker who can beat Heatran? It's too good to pass up on.
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Oh nice, this is a pretty similar team to one I build recently (which at least means I'm doing something right!): https://pokepast.es/a74c8296c29e6b50

I think Mega Meowstic is extremely slept on. This mon on paper is quite similar to Mega Alakazam - except it sets up its own Psy Terrain and has 100% accurate coverage to blow past many checks (namely Magearna). In practices, things aren't that simple (its lower power and speed give it a a bit of issues here and there in getting a few one-shots) but it is still a powerful Mega and one I see getting nerfed down the line. Competitive also can be crazy if you switch into something like a Corviknight Defog or Rotom-W parting shot, though that is more of a bonus than anything.

Scarf Floette is actually a pretty interesting Scarfer on such a build - I think its most notable attribute, in addition to the ones that you mentioned, is that it can help limit Tank Garchomp from setting up multiple hazards, which I have personally been finding extremely annoying to face with this build. Scarf Florette has a better time switching in and revenge killing it than Scarf Garchomp - in addition to doing better against miscellaneous threats such as Baxcalibur and Dragonite. I mainly went with Garchomp because the Zeraora MU was extremely annoying and it helped against a few other annoying Pokemon like Ceruledge, Excadrill, and Heatran, which you have countermeasures for.

Although Armarouge is generic, I also think it is a good pick and slept on in general. Fire Psychic is an amazing defensive profile into Magearna and it also helps against Chesnaught builds - which while managable, I have been finding annoying to face as well. I think Overqwil is a really interesting pick here because it helps against that and Mega Clefable somewhat. I'm not too big of a fan of it because it has bad MUs into Magearna, Skarmory, and Garchomp (so hazards are more likely to go up) + stacks weaknesses to Grounds (which too many, better mons are also weak to) but the ghost resist (specifically into Ceruledge and Houndstone) is no doubt nice.
 
The Silly said:
Oh yeah to add onto the “Things that shouldn’t be allowed being allowed” topic, evasion abilities are still legal lmao
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on this note, why the HELL is magearna still allowed but the ape got banned?? it's the same deal as genesect, every time a new ladder pops up. it's not balanced in OU, and it never WILL be balanced, at least until gen 12 when gamefreak releases "Pokémon Designed To Kill Magearna Specifically™️"
 
EternalJourneyGaming said:
Holy cow mage is broken
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldexubers-2506292988

So this is not a 1 liner- which dlc mons do you think had the biggest impact so far?
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i wouldn't say biggEST, but mega garchomp z has had a pretty big impact. it's rare to see, but when it comes out it is SCARY. i've tried a couple teams with it, and if you can get a nasty plot or two off in front of something that can't touch it the game is pretty much over.
base zeraora has been really fun to use as a special attacker too, since i've been seeing a lot of physically bulky teams with corviknight being the main issue for my sets. the team i'm currently running is a mega golisopod rain team (which works pretty well!) and most everything gets walled by corviknight, but a thunder from specs zeraora just blows it up.
 
SekihaTenkyo said:
What's with the sudden Grapploct resurgence? I feel like I've seen a surprising amount of them. Someone make a video on it or something?
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This video will explain in-depth.

TL:DR Gaining access to Mach Punch, Knock Off and especially Circle Storm makes Technician a lot more viable for Grapploct, who is previously unable to use that Ability well due to not enough 60< BP moves that synergizes this Ability.
 
Cuddly said:
:Excadrill: :Tyranitar: :Rotom-Wash: :Garchomp: :Heatran: :Gholdengo:
Made this team real quick if anyone has suggestions.
:Excadrill:
Mega Excadrill getting Sand Rush is insane. With Adamant, you already are faster than Jolly Excadrill and using Jolly nature brings you up to 670. This would make you faster than CHOICE SCARF ZERAORA.
With Adamant, you are 610 still, which is faster than base 135 Scarfers too, so you have more than enough speed.
I can easily see Mega Excadrill getting its Sand Rush privileges revoked eventually because this is nuts.
Also keep in mind Mega Excadrill has 165 Atk and 100 Def.
Base form using Mold Breaker to both hit Rotom-Washes that lost their ability shields or didn't have one. It doesn't need Sand Rush as you can Mega Evolve and immediately be at 610 Spe.

:Tyranitar:
Basic Defensive Tyranitar. Having 4 Spe to outspeed opposing Defensive Tyranitar, which is something I like to do more than putting it into Def or Atk since you only need 1 more speed to go first.
Of course Tyranitar is here to enable Excadrill so that Sand Rush activates. It also can knock off things like ability shield or shuca berry from Rotom/Magearna, and you also can pursuit trap things too.

:rotom-wash:
A bulky pivot that helps against opposing Excadrill and defogs for the team. It being pretty much the best counter to Mega Excadrill. Nothing much to say that hasn't been said before.

:Garchomp:
An alternative sweeper that cause the opponent to second guess which Pokemon is my Mega and helps wear down ground type checks. It can fight Rotom-Wash better with Scale Shot, as well as Skarmory/Corviknight with Fire Fang.

:Heatran:
A great compliment to Rotom-Wash, and another trapper. Also with that 4 Spe tech. With the recent nerf to Mega Heatran, regular Heatran can trap with Magma Storm and Earthpower does a ton of damage. I also opted to put Will-o-wisp on this Heatran so Rotom can Defog and Tyranitar has Stealth Rock.

:Gholdengo:
Lastly I needed a Fighting resist since this team otherwise is pretty fighting weak, so I got ol' reliable Gholdengo.
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I love the team idea, it sounds great. One question I will bring up is, what is Gholdengo's role other than being a fighting pivot?
 
dhelmise said:
Welcome to Legends ZA OU! In this Pet Mod, we will have a speculative metagame based on the Pokemon and items currently usable in Pokemon Legends: Z-A, in a what-if on them being allowed in the turn-based battle mode. This Pet Mod will have minor changes, namely the new Mega Evolutions having proper abilities. Because this Pet Mod is based off of a Pokemon game, we will be using the personal data from Legends: Z-A for learnsets, stats, etc. with the exception of Mega Starmie. Terastallization will also be unusable. The final change is that every Pokemon will have its National Dex movesets on top of the moves they learn in Legends: Z-A; this is mainly because otherwise there would be every single entry hazard but zero hazard removal or Heavy-Duty Boots, and that is just not fun!

Submission Rules

We are not taking submissions for anything. Sorry.

Ruleset

Because this metagame is intended to sit at an OU-adjacent power level, there will unfortunately be some bans for balancing reasons.

Clauses: Team Preview, Sleep Moves Clause, HP Percentage Mod, Cancel Mod, Endless Battle Clause, Species Clause, Nickname Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Moves Clause

Pokemon bans:
  • :alakazam-mega: Alakazam-Mega
  • :blastoise-mega: Blastoise-Mega
  • :blaziken-mega: Blaziken-Mega
  • :gengar-mega: Gengar-Mega
  • :groudon: Groudon
  • :groudon-primal: Groudon-Primal
  • :kangaskhan-mega: Kangaskhan-Mega
  • :kyogre: Kyogre
  • :kyogre-primal: Kyogre-Primal
  • :lucario-mega: Lucario-Mega
  • :magearna: Magearna-Mega
  • :magearna-original: Magearna-Original-Mega
  • :marshadow: Marshadow
  • :mewtwo: Mewtwo
  • :mewtwo-mega-x: Mewtwo-Mega-X
  • :mewtwo-mega-y: Mewtwo-Mega-Y
  • :rayquaza: Rayquaza
  • :Rayquaza-Mega: Rayquaza-Mega
  • :salamence-mega: Salamence-Mega
  • :xerneas: Xerneas
  • :yveltal: Yveltal
  • :zygarde: Zygarde
  • :zygarde-complete: Zygarde-Complete
  • :zygarde-complete: Zygarde-Mega
Ability bans:
  • Arena Trap
  • Moody
  • Power Construct
  • Shadow Tag
Item bans:
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I just want to say 2 things, about the Lucarios. For regular Mega Lucario, could you please unban my man? It's not as broken here as it was in gen 7, I think it could be a decent tier mega. Another thing is about Mega Lucario Z's ability. I think mega Launcher would make this guy much better since now it gets a boosted Aura Sphere and more importantly Dark Pulse and can hit them for much more damage, basically giving it an much better Focus Blast. I think these two things are not too much for ask for and would appreciate if it could happen
 
TastieGaming said:
I just want to say 2 things, about the Lucarios. For regular Mega Lucario, could you please unban my man? It's not as broken here as it was in gen 7, I think it could be a decent tier mega. Another thing is about Mega Lucario Z's ability. I think mega Launcher would make this guy much better since now it gets a boosted Aura Sphere and more importantly Dark Pulse and can hit them for much more damage, basically giving it an much better Focus Blast. I think these two things are not too much for ask for and would appreciate if it could happen
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yeah, i get the idea behind not giving LucZ Mega Launcher from the get go, but now that it has proven to be completely average. Perhaps it is time to loosen the valves.
 
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