What do you think of Baxcalibur and Mega-Baxcalibur?
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Pet Mod Legends Z-A OU
- Thread starter dhelmise
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ON MY KNEES BEGGING.
I AM SURE Y'ALL WANT TO LET MAG PLAY IN THE TIER FOR A BIT MORE (I think it's super broken and should go asap, but I know this stuff takes at least a week)
WHAT NEEDS TO GO ASAP ARE THESE 2 MEGAS.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE CHANGE MEGA EXCADRILL AND MEGA CLEFABLE ABILITIES.
It doesn't even need to be the same ability as before, but they NEED to have their ability changed, these 2 might be the 2 most broken new megas we had to date. Please change this NOW while the next solopl week hasn't started. These megas are genuinely genesect level broken, both of them. PLEASE
Loaded dice is broken too, but that / bax can honestly wait, mag is more broken, and these 2 megas are even more broken. On my knees, begging
I will just say:
252 Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Excadrill-Mega: 326-386 (90.3 - 106.9%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Dragonite Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Excadrill-Mega: 246-290 (68.1 - 80.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Baxcalibur Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Excadrill-Mega: 260-306 (72 - 84.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Melmetal Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Excadrill-Mega: 258-304 (71.4 - 84.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Baxcalibur Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Excadrill-Mega: 300-354 (83.1 - 98%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (mega)
252 Atk Krookodile Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Excadrill-Mega: 306-360 (84.7 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Huge Power Starmie Aqua Jet vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Excadrill-Mega: 218-260 (60.3 - 72%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
There are even worse calcs, completely impossible to revenge. Sand is way too strong now. Priority is not even real against bro. It even hits insanely hard like no please
Case 2:
Clefable-Mega @ Clefablite
Ability: Magic Guard
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 248 HP / 44 Def / 216 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Cosmic Power
- Soft-Boiled
- Stored Power
- Moonblast
Ah, yes, the cheese tier. Please NO. This thing is worse than mag (and mag, I repeat, is omega broken)
Genuinely worse meta than pre ape ban (ape ban was very deserved tho)
Ps: Now that we have grassy terrain, Mag is even more broken! The same can be said for no Golisopod anymore, which helped keep it in check; now it's omega free to set up. Mag is insanely broken now, free lefties + free setup + free shuca berry. Ban ASAAAAAAAP. I kinda know this isn't gonna happen this week tho, so just please change these 2 megas, the tier is so much worse than before LOL, if y'all also ban mag it would be super good, but I don’t think the council will do some like emergency ban on that.
Maybe I will do a higher effort post later, or maybe I won’t, cuz i am not playing this tier in the state it is rn.
Actually I changed idea ban mag NOW TODAY
I AM SURE Y'ALL WANT TO LET MAG PLAY IN THE TIER FOR A BIT MORE (I think it's super broken and should go asap, but I know this stuff takes at least a week)
WHAT NEEDS TO GO ASAP ARE THESE 2 MEGAS.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE CHANGE MEGA EXCADRILL AND MEGA CLEFABLE ABILITIES.
It doesn't even need to be the same ability as before, but they NEED to have their ability changed, these 2 might be the 2 most broken new megas we had to date. Please change this NOW while the next solopl week hasn't started. These megas are genuinely genesect level broken, both of them. PLEASE
Loaded dice is broken too, but that / bax can honestly wait, mag is more broken, and these 2 megas are even more broken. On my knees, begging
I will just say:
252 Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Excadrill-Mega: 326-386 (90.3 - 106.9%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Dragonite Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Excadrill-Mega: 246-290 (68.1 - 80.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Baxcalibur Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Excadrill-Mega: 260-306 (72 - 84.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Melmetal Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Excadrill-Mega: 258-304 (71.4 - 84.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Baxcalibur Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Excadrill-Mega: 300-354 (83.1 - 98%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (mega)
252 Atk Krookodile Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Excadrill-Mega: 306-360 (84.7 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Huge Power Starmie Aqua Jet vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Excadrill-Mega: 218-260 (60.3 - 72%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
There are even worse calcs, completely impossible to revenge. Sand is way too strong now. Priority is not even real against bro. It even hits insanely hard like no please
Case 2:
Clefable-Mega @ Clefablite
Ability: Magic Guard
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 248 HP / 44 Def / 216 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Cosmic Power
- Soft-Boiled
- Stored Power
- Moonblast
Ah, yes, the cheese tier. Please NO. This thing is worse than mag (and mag, I repeat, is omega broken)
Genuinely worse meta than pre ape ban (ape ban was very deserved tho)
Ps: Now that we have grassy terrain, Mag is even more broken! The same can be said for no Golisopod anymore, which helped keep it in check; now it's omega free to set up. Mag is insanely broken now, free lefties + free setup + free shuca berry. Ban ASAAAAAAAP. I kinda know this isn't gonna happen this week tho, so just please change these 2 megas, the tier is so much worse than before LOL, if y'all also ban mag it would be super good, but I don’t think the council will do some like emergency ban on that.
Maybe I will do a higher effort post later, or maybe I won’t, cuz i am not playing this tier in the state it is rn.
Actually I changed idea ban mag NOW TODAY
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Bax is incredibly strong. When ever I use it, I find myself sweeping way earlier than I thought I should.
Mega Bax is kind of underwhelming. Which honestly Psuedo Megas being underwhelming is a trend. You'd just rather run HDBs, Life Ord, Leftovers, or Loaded Dice. That is because most of the Psuedo Megas get proportionally less from Mega Evolving than they do holding another item. Additionally, the most important parts of a Mega are its speed (or defenses if they are defensive) and ability.
The actual broken Psuedo Megas being the ones that focus on speed and having a great ability. Chomp Z on the waiting list once champions comes out and gives it Groundworker or something.
Sand Rush is definitely overkill. Jolly makes you faster than Scarf Zeraora, which is nuts.
I could be mistake but I think it had Sand Rush at the start, was nerfed to Mold Breaker, now has Sand Rush again.
I think a good middleground between Mold Breaker and Sand Rush would be Steelworker or Scrappy. Steelwork making its Iron Heads go nuclear and Scrappy letting it hit Ghost types with Rapid Spin and would block Intimidate too.
Dragon Dance Mega Dragonite may be the WORST sweeper in ZA OU.
I was thinking this could be a cool way of alternatively using Mega Dragonite since you get some nice boosts to your Speed and have a stronger Fire Punch / Iron Head to break through Clefable, Corviknight, Magearna, etc. These advantages are valid to make it a better general breaker. However, if you are greedy and want that juicy Sheer force boosts to your STAB, you need to run Dragon Rush which will not be hitting shit and will likely cut your sweep short lol. Lost way too many games due to missing Dragon Rush at bad times or against key targets like Rotom. I have not found this mon's defensive utility to be too great either - Rocks Weakness + common Fairy, Ice and Dragon Weakneses make it easy fodder for too many things like Latios, Keldeo, Scarf Chomp, Etc.
Perhaps it could also be worth running this physical set as just a 3 attack breaker with Roost - as you do not NEED Dragon Dance boosts to deal big Damage to Corv, Clef, etc. I think this is just worse than standard special set since you are not as vulnerable to Burn, but IG you surprise some bulky walls. It may also be worse than Mega Charizard X at this role. Dragon Dance sets with other moves like thunder Punch or Ice Punch may also be worth exploring - perhaps with Bulkier spreads, but I imagine making progress with these is tough since you dont have power to break through Mag / Clef as easily.
I was thinking this could be a cool way of alternatively using Mega Dragonite since you get some nice boosts to your Speed and have a stronger Fire Punch / Iron Head to break through Clefable, Corviknight, Magearna, etc. These advantages are valid to make it a better general breaker. However, if you are greedy and want that juicy Sheer force boosts to your STAB, you need to run Dragon Rush which will not be hitting shit and will likely cut your sweep short lol. Lost way too many games due to missing Dragon Rush at bad times or against key targets like Rotom. I have not found this mon's defensive utility to be too great either - Rocks Weakness + common Fairy, Ice and Dragon Weakneses make it easy fodder for too many things like Latios, Keldeo, Scarf Chomp, Etc.
Perhaps it could also be worth running this physical set as just a 3 attack breaker with Roost - as you do not NEED Dragon Dance boosts to deal big Damage to Corv, Clef, etc. I think this is just worse than standard special set since you are not as vulnerable to Burn, but IG you surprise some bulky walls. It may also be worse than Mega Charizard X at this role. Dragon Dance sets with other moves like thunder Punch or Ice Punch may also be worth exploring - perhaps with Bulkier spreads, but I imagine making progress with these is tough since you dont have power to break through Mag / Clef as easily.
Ability: Volt Absorb
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 Atk / 16 SpA / 240 Spe
Naive Nature
- Volt Switch
- Plasma Fists
- Play Rough
- Close Combat
Can anyone make a team around this pivot Zeraora set 240+ speed allows it to outspeed all thw Z-megas I don't think if anyone should run max speed on mix set since there is very niche range of scarfer which is lower then max and higher then this so please can anybody build around this
It's kinda wild one of the best sweeper in Gen 9 OU can barely sweep in ZA and is best used as defog support. Especially considering it now gets Dual Wingbeat a good flying stab it was missing.
I have won so many game in gen 9 OU with tera flying terablast Dragonite sweeper and it was unstoppable.
So, no luck in discord but maybe I can get a hand here....anyone have success with belly drum chesnaught yet? I've tried to make it work but am really struggling, I've drove my elo off a cliff d trying to get it but it just ain't happening. I want to believe it's workable but the metal birds, luster purge/mist ball bots, and especially unaware clef make it tough....it probably doesn't help that I'm stubborn and don't want to use to many of the top meta pokemon (especially mag and clef) because I dont like the lack of variety but I have to believe there's SOME kind of way to make it work, ideally with a more creative team....right?
There was a swords dance m-ches build you could probably modify somewhere in the discord but it did have seed mag. I don't think you'll get away running a fairy psychic and flying weak mon halting it's hp asking to get draco'd without at least one of the best steels in the tier, mag or otherwise. My suggestion would be to run a unique set on it instead of not using it altogether, but there's a world you could make Exca + Corv Sand work with it i guess.
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First time I came across a Mega Chestnaught after the ability update and holy it's STRONG!! It's eating up super effective attacks like it's nothing and unboosted Drain punch of it did 51% damage on my Mega Skarmory(this thing has 110 def wtf!) even my physical def Garchomp nearly died from it's SD Grassy Glide.
Even though I won I am impressed as hell by it!
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9legendszaou-2511184008-qlxegvlgtqyvjqcsa07857q54g34gd8pw
I might have got my new favorite mega. If you guys have team suggestions about it with Unburden Hawlucha please recommend
Even though I won I am impressed as hell by it!
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9legendszaou-2511184008-qlxegvlgtqyvjqcsa07857q54g34gd8pw
I might have got my new favorite mega. If you guys have team suggestions about it with Unburden Hawlucha please recommend
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Nice team, I used it a few times on ladder and enjoyed it. Ty for posting.
Hope to see more usage for this team.
Eh, I believe its mostly because of Clefable being so common. This Pokemon is extremely irritating for Dragonite to Break past traditionally since you need to run Iron Head - which isn't great on Heavy Duty Boots sets. It does not help that Skarmory is also quite common and can beat many of these Dual Wing Beat Dragonite quite easily. Garchomp is an annoying Pokemon as well vs Dual Wing Beat sets because you take Helmet Damage twice.
Another thing hurting Dragonite is lack of Tera, especially in this Format since so many Pokemon pack super effective coverage for it like Keldeo, Baxcalibur, Magearna, Slowbro, etc or can easily cripple it with Burn.
DD dragonite in general is in better position now than it was in pre-dlc meta - Clefable, while common, is facing competition with Magearna - which is easier for Dragonite to account for with Earthquake / Fire Punch. Less teams are also running Corviknight / Skarmory / Slowbro, so Dragonite has more chances to actually sweep instead of being walled the entire game. And Sheer force can let DD Mega Dragonite break through its usual checks..... if you land that Dragon Rush / Hurricane.
HO I am currently trying to ladder up running it. Feedback would be appreciated: https://pokepast.es/cb6c1f55d6a3c53f
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Mega Dragonite has Sheer Force, not No Guard
I am a dumbass, then the movepool makes sense.
Very appreciated! So far working very well much better than my attempts lol. I swapped trailblaze for glide but otherwise I like it a lot so far
Lol chesnaught a monkey someone needs glasses
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i meant that he's basically mega rillaboom, hence monke
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9legendszaou-2510261608 Anyone else run into Mega Blaziken yesterday? I’m assuming it was an error with the update as it no longer is legal but still lol
Came across it yesterday, don't got the replay but it just got 1 shot by my Ceruledge poltergeist so not much to show.
Btw why is mega blaziken banned? Regular Blaziken with life orb does more damage(I think) and speed is not an issue thanks to speed boost.
And regular Blaz is about average in this meta, I rarely come across it. It's mega feels like a waste of slot.
Mega Blaziken is better because its harder to revenge kill. You’re bulkier on account of not having to run Life Orb + Flare Blitz recoil and slightly more bulk, and that 100 Spe matters. It’s the difference between something like Excadrill in Sand being able to outspeed you or not.
I guess speed helps, although most Blazikens run protect. I guess with Sand Rush drill that 100 speed makes some difference.
There are no damage ranges LO Blaziken reaches that makes the slightly higher damage compared to Mega worth the recoil. The extra speed makes a big difference (notably regular Blaziken still is slower than several scatters as well as the Z mega and Zeraora at +1, which forces it to run protect, and also you’re never getting away with Adamant LO in this era). Mega is very strong without needing the LO recoil and while small the added bulk also makes it much tougher than you’d think to revenge kill, especially without LO digging into longevity. Add on to the extra speed which makes the window for outspending it close that much faster. Add on to the fact that there’s an incredibly limited list of defensive answers and offensive answers.
and this isn’t just all theory ftr. It was tested at the beginning of this pet mod’s existence and kicked out before long, and was also tested in natdex metas and proven to be overwhelming there.
also ngl the increased speed on mega means you can invest less in speed if you want to be cheeky and get more bang for your buck with bulkier builds, esp since it gets fucking drain punch now