I'm honestly not that good or proficient at 1v1, but it sounds like a really bad idea to unban 2 mons that were broken in the past to deal with one mon that's broken/unhealthy now. It'd be like if Dragonite was broken so you unbanned Tapu Koko to deal with it. That doesn't fix the problem, it just creates more.gyffyrd or we can just unban the mons that aren't broken (kyub and rachi) and nerf mimikyu in the process
Shouldn't you provide a screenshot? That's actual proof.User: m1spermafrostFormat Elo GXE Glicko-1 W L Total [Gen 7] 1v1172678.3%1742 ± 329533128Reset W/L
I just post that to prove i can vote.
the only pb is that dragonite will be broken.. it"s an endless chain.
he's good, that is indeed his alt. Plus anyone can do /rank and get anyone's rank and screenshot that tbhShouldn't you provide a screenshot? That's actual proof.
kyub is not broken.I'm honestly not that good or proficient at 1v1, but it sounds like a really bad idea to unban 2 mons that were broken in the past to deal with one mon that's broken/unhealthy now. It'd be like if Dragonite was broken so you unbanned Tapu Koko to deal with it. That doesn't fix the problem, it just creates more.
There's absolutely no reason to unban Jirachi, ever. It does next to nothing that Metagross can't aside from flinch people to their graves. Kyurem-B definitely is broken. It had over a dozen distinct sets, beating overwhelming chunks of the meta with its best ones and experiencing only minimal opportunity cost with its worst ones. If they were problematic, and continue to be problematic, they won't be unbanned. Since there's been very little change in the meta that's at all likely to balance Kyub, and in fact the contrary is true with the meta's power creep decreasing since then, it's very reasonable to say that Kyub is still broken and Jirachi is still uncompetitive.kyub is not broken.
Rachi is a massive problem for the plebs because it has serene grace.
I don't see where ur at when u say "2 mons that were broken in the past" since it is not uncommon for pokemon to be unbanned after they were banned. Example: Entei in RU
name me ten sets right here right now that isn't a gimmickIt had over a dozen distinct sets, beating overwhelming chunks of the meta with its best ones and experiencing only minimal opportunity cost with its worst ones
what an absolutely STUPID statement! there i think are 2 reasons rachi should be unbanned.There's absolutely no reason to unban Jirachi, ever. It does next to nothing that Metagross can't aside from flinch people to their graves.
did u just say sleep is a balanced mechanic in the Other Metagame 1v1 or am I asleep?i don't get the weird fascination 1v1ers have and trying to get rid of a much rng as possible (sleep, rachi) when neither are problematic.
sleep is pretty balanced. sleep isnt really used that much since snorlax was like 80% of its usage, and the mons that need it lose 2 coverage move slots while also not winning battles it "shouldnt" reliably. sleep has plenty of opportunity cost and isnt broken in any waydid u just say sleep is a balanced mechanic in the Other Metagame 1v1 or am I asleep?
Uhh, what? Groundium was deadass one of its worst sets. There was Icium, Scarf, Special Scarf, Choice Band, Choice Specs, Dragonium, Weakness Policy and Haban, all of which were absolutely top tier. Groundium, Chople, Electrium and Life Orb were the only sets that experienced genuine opportunity cost as far as I remember. Kyurem's worst sets still tend to beat as much of the metagame as A ranks.You say Kyurem Black has "many distinct sets" when it had at most 3 viable sets, Scarf, Icium, Groundium (which, even then, Groundium was just a lure set). While yes, you could make multiple sets with its great movepool, it will take away the opportunities you have with the aforementioned viable sets. I still believe Kyurem-Black is broken but, it didnt have many different sets that were actually viable.
I just named 12 off the top of my head^name me ten sets right here right now that isn't a gimmick
I'm almost on board with banning Serene Grace. Togekiss and Sawsbuck are nearly as abusable as Jirachi (Meloetta can do it too, but no one really uses it like that). Meloetta is the only reason why I don't want Serene Grace banned as it doesn't rely on hax 99/100 timeswhat an absolutely STUPID statement! there i think are 2 reasons rachi should be unbanned.
#1 the voter pool that voted on kyubrachi is the worst voter pool in 1v1 history. period. i won't write a para on it because you guys know how i feel.
and #2 there needs to be consistency with rachi and other serene grace flinchers like togekiss or S A W S B U C K or even meloetta.
The reason Jirachi was banned but not Togekiss is because Togekiss has value other than a flinch-exclusive set, Z-Charm notably. Jirachi also had higher usage for it. Togekiss is debatable, but Jirachi is quite nearly indefensible.so about togekiss. why isn't it banned, again? jirachi didn't have overwhelming results in tournaments of worse players beating better players purely off luck. so, i did the liberty of doing s-a vr mus (b+-b- too much)
man, you don't get it. my post is not one of the many stupid & bad posts trying to get rid of something potentially, but not 100% luck based (think sleep, not mud slap). 1v1 will always have game changing luck, if your fire blast misses you prolly lose, if your ice beam freezes you prolly win. i am not riling the people up to ban togekiss and sawsbuck. my point is that togekiss / rachi / sawsbuck are on the same boat, and are not problematic enough to be banned. they're not viable enough pokemon who are constantly changing games. rachi was a b rank mon who had bad mus vs top mons. idk if any tier ever had banned a b rank mon. togekiss is b-. it, like rachi gets low usage. flinchers aren't constantly cheesing games, and i speak with certainty when i say that gyarados is more of a problematic flincher w/ waterfall than rachi or togekiss or whatever the fuck. my post is not about banning togekiss, you're rly missing the point.I'm almost on board with banning Serene Grace. Togekiss and Sawsbuck are nearly as abusable as Jirachi (Meloetta can do it too, but no one really uses it like that). Meloetta is the only reason why I don't want Serene Grace banned as it doesn't rely on hax 99/100 times
wowzers, what a terrible argument. with this logic, we shouldn't have banned mimikyu because even though it has problematic sets, at the end of the day it can run life orb wood hammer, which isn't broken. with this argument, literally nothing would be banned, because oh no, at the end of the day there's a set that's worse or not problematic. also you're acting like all rachi does is try to flinch things, when that's not true.The reason Jirachi was banned but not Togekiss is because Togekiss has value other than a flinch-exclusive set, Z-Charm notably. Jirachi also had higher usage for it. Togekiss is debatable, but Jirachi is quite nearly indefensible.
If Jirachi can win most matchups with one 60% flinch, I would agree that it's more like sleep than Mud Slap. However, just scroll down the VR... There's genuinely very little that Jirachi needs just one flinch to beat. You're overhwelmingly seeing Jirachi either needing 0 flinches or 4ish. There's like Naga, maybe Kommo-o, Band Sawk, Vivillon and Lando-I. In the event that it needs multiple flinches, I think that it's more like Mud Slap than sleep because it's no longer a reasonable win condition. At this point, it's become probability management - fishing for hax. I don't complain when I get flinched by Jirachi once, I complain when I get flinched an amount of times that would be unreasonable to prepare for - imo anything more than 2.but not 100% luck based (think sleep, not mud slap)
I'm sure that no tier has banned a B rank mon for being broken, at least, but we're talking uncompetitiveidk if any tier ever had banned a b rank mon. togekiss is b-. it, like rachi gets low usage.
Again, this is about uncompetitive, not broken. I don't mean to claim that Togekiss should not be banned for this reason, but I do mean to claim simply that if Jirachi is banworthy, it doesn't follow that Togekiss is. If Togekiss' "bad" outweighs its "good," it should still be banned. Jirachi had next to no "good," unlike Togekiss. Besides, Z-Charm is easily more viable than Scarfwowzers, what a terrible argument. with this logic, we shouldn't have banned mimikyu because even though it has problematic sets, at the end of the day it can run life orb wood hammer, which isn't broken.
ok so name me 10 zard sets now and tell me why zard is not banned. According to you, KyuB had these sets which made him a "nightmare" to predict. EVERY pokemon has sets that can be used, whether it has 10 or 20. Number of sets do not make the pokemon unbalanced. If that was the case, I don't see OU players saying "oh ban greninja because it can slap on a z-move and ohko its checks."Elo KeepKyuBanned
Ten non-gimmick kyuB sets for Kaif
Mixed Scarf (+speed Ice Beam)
Adamant physical Scarf
Choice Band
Choice Specs
Groundium Z
Weakness Policy
Haban Berry
Fast sub hone claws Icium Z
UoP's slow bulky Icium Z
Mixed Dragonium Z + Laser Focus
None of these are gimmicks (electrium Z is not included because it's bad). I truly think Kyurem Black is a nightmare to build against or try to predict consistently, and it should stay banned.
ok so name me 10 zard sets now and tell me why zard is not banned. According to you, KyuB had these sets which made him a "nightmare" to predict. EVERY pokemon has sets that can be used, whether it has 10 or 20. Number of sets do not make the pokemon unbalanced. If that was the case, I don't see OU players saying "oh ban greninja because it can slap on a z-move and ohko its checks."
Kaif said:ok so name me 10 zard sets now and tell me why zard is not banned.
Oh, I see. I don't claim to know anything about OU but I would imagine opportunity cost plays a big role here. The reason why we can list Kyurem-B's sets and call them all viable is that they lose very few of the main things a generic Kyurem-B is supposed to counter. Greninja (I would imagine) lacks the power to take out stuff it normally would if it starts running Poisonium Z or something. I don't know. But it's not like running something bizarre like "Mixed Dragonium Z + Laser Focus" makes you lose the ability to beat Donphan and Golem.Kaif said:Number of sets do not make the pokemon unbalanced. If that was the case, I don't see OU players saying "oh ban greninja because it can slap on a z-move and ohko its checks."