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Metagame 1v1 Old Gens
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Figured I might as well put together the DPP usage stats, but the thingy seems kinda trash for dpp 1v1 so rip.
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| Rank | Pokemon | Use | Usage % | Win % |
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| 1 | Zapdos | 27 | 8.08% | 59.26% |
| - | Rotom-Appliance | 19 | 5.69% | 31.58% |
| 2 | Shaymin | 18 | 5.39% | 61.11% |
| 2 | Infernape | 18 | 5.39% | 33.33% |
| 4 | Tyranitar | 13 | 3.89% | 53.85% |
| 5 | Metagross | 12 | 3.59% | 75.00% |
| 5 | Bronzong | 12 | 3.59% | 50.00% |
| 7 | Machamp | 11 | 3.29% | 54.55% |
| 7 | Dragonite | 11 | 3.29% | 36.36% |
| 9 | Suicune | 10 | 2.99% | 70.00% |
| 10 | Kingdra | 9 | 2.69% | 88.89% |
| 11 | Swampert | 7 | 2.10% | 85.71% |
| 11 | Celebi | 7 | 2.10% | 57.14% |
| 11 | Heracross | 7 | 2.10% | 42.86% |
| 11 | Gengar | 7 | 2.10% | 42.86% |
| 11 | Entei | 7 | 2.10% | 42.86% |
| 11 | Raikou | 7 | 2.10% | 42.86% |
| 11 | Rhyperior | 7 | 2.10% | 28.57% |
| 18 | Rotom-Heat | 6 | 1.80% | 50.00% |
| 18 | Heatran | 6 | 1.80% | 33.33% |
| 18 | Blissey | 6 | 1.80% | 33.33% |
| 18 | Jirachi | 6 | 1.80% | 33.33% |
| 18 | Cresselia | 6 | 1.80% | 33.33% |
| 23 | Togekiss | 5 | 1.50% | 80.00% |
| 23 | Hippowdon | 5 | 1.50% | 80.00% |
| 23 | Tangrowth | 5 | 1.50% | 80.00% |
| 23 | Hariyama | 5 | 1.50% | 40.00% |
| 23 | Rotom-Wash | 5 | 1.50% | 20.00% |
| 23 | Gallade | 5 | 1.50% | 20.00% |
| 29 | Slaking | 4 | 1.20% | 50.00% |
| 29 | Scizor | 4 | 1.20% | 50.00% |
| 29 | Rotom-Frost | 4 | 1.20% | 25.00% |
| 29 | Rotom-Mow | 4 | 1.20% | 25.00% |
| 29 | Slowbro | 4 | 1.20% | 25.00% |
| 29 | Alakazam | 4 | 1.20% | 25.00% |
| 29 | Azumarill | 4 | 1.20% | 25.00% |
| 36 | Ambipom | 3 | 0.90% | 66.67% |
| 36 | Snorlax | 3 | 0.90% | 66.67% |
| 36 | Empoleon | 3 | 0.90% | 66.67% |
| 36 | Venusaur | 3 | 0.90% | 66.67% |
| 36 | Clefable | 3 | 0.90% | 66.67% |
| 36 | Electivire | 3 | 0.90% | 66.67% |
| 36 | Weavile | 3 | 0.90% | 66.67% |
| 36 | Aerodactyl | 3 | 0.90% | 66.67% |
| 36 | Honchkrow | 3 | 0.90% | 33.33% |
| 36 | Moltres | 3 | 0.90% | 33.33% |
| 46 | Politoed | 2 | 0.60% | 50.00% |
| 46 | Gliscor | 2 | 0.60% | 0.00% |
| 46 | Dusknoir | 2 | 0.60% | 0.00% |
| 46 | Sceptile | 2 | 0.60% | 0.00% |
| 46 | Registeel | 2 | 0.60% | 0.00% |
| 51 | Staraptor | 1 | 0.30% | 100.00% |
| 51 | Arcanine | 1 | 0.30% | 100.00% |
| 51 | Rampardos | 1 | 0.30% | 100.00% |
| 51 | Cradily | 1 | 0.30% | 100.00% |
| 51 | Umbreon | 1 | 0.30% | 100.00% |
| 51 | Regice | 1 | 0.30% | 100.00% |
| 51 | Breloom | 1 | 0.30% | 100.00% |
| 51 | Torterra | 1 | 0.30% | 100.00% |
| 51 | Camerupt | 1 | 0.30% | 0.00% |
| 51 | Jumpluff | 1 | 0.30% | 0.00% |
| 51 | Jolteon | 1 | 0.30% | 0.00% |
| 51 | Blaziken | 1 | 0.30% | 0.00% |
| 51 | Gyarados | 1 | 0.30% | 0.00% |
| 51 | Lanturn | 1 | 0.30% | 0.00% |
| 51 | Drifblim | 1 | 0.30% | 0.00% |
| 51 | Froslass | 1 | 0.30% | 0.00% |(S/Os to Synon for adding his thoughts which are mixed in here, its good to get some insight from an actually good player)
Zapdos: usage kinda nuts and still keeps a very solid w/r. A very very good mon, solidly s tier.
Suicune: usage probably a bit lower than it has been in the past but holds a very high w/r.
Infernape/Rotom: W/R's are very low. Probably very indicative of a large amount of prep for them. Personally a little surprising as Zapdos/Cune would going into this tour probably have been equally serious threats to prep for.
Shaymin: Modelled in the style of SM Serperior, this mon has really taken off. Good bulk and offensive presence back up leech seed spam, solid mon.
Metagross: Very good W/R. Good lure sets are good lure sets :shrug:
Kingdra: I've been saying for a year that Kingdra is the most underrated mon in DPP, its W/R in classic is just further proof. I've been looking a lot at physical and mixed sets (Adding DD gives you reliability vs fast sub users which rain dance cant guarantee, and physical moves slap calm mind boosters) and also considering disable which allows it to shit down a great many choiced sets, this mon is a huge force in the metagame and imo is probably deserving of at least A tier. This thing is genuinely nuts.
Rhyperior: Bad usage, bad w/r = bad mon? Rhyperior just isnt good. Sub is everywhere, pretty much every team has water/grass coverage, then when you add in that Machamp and Bronzong are seeing good amounts of usage, Rhyperior just struggles to find any good matchups. Definitely deserves a pretty big drop
Cresselia is in a somewhat similar boat to Rhyperiot with low usage and low w/r failing to justify its high place on the v/r. However unlike Rhyperior, it does still have its good matchups but with the likes of Zapdos favoring toxic stall over specs and Ape favoring Petaya over LO and its overall predictability, Cresselia probably does deserve to fall a bit down the v/r.
Zapdos: usage kinda nuts and still keeps a very solid w/r. A very very good mon, solidly s tier.
Suicune: usage probably a bit lower than it has been in the past but holds a very high w/r.
Infernape/Rotom: W/R's are very low. Probably very indicative of a large amount of prep for them. Personally a little surprising as Zapdos/Cune would going into this tour probably have been equally serious threats to prep for.
Shaymin: Modelled in the style of SM Serperior, this mon has really taken off. Good bulk and offensive presence back up leech seed spam, solid mon.
Metagross: Very good W/R. Good lure sets are good lure sets :shrug:
Kingdra: I've been saying for a year that Kingdra is the most underrated mon in DPP, its W/R in classic is just further proof. I've been looking a lot at physical and mixed sets (Adding DD gives you reliability vs fast sub users which rain dance cant guarantee, and physical moves slap calm mind boosters) and also considering disable which allows it to shit down a great many choiced sets, this mon is a huge force in the metagame and imo is probably deserving of at least A tier. This thing is genuinely nuts.
Rhyperior: Bad usage, bad w/r = bad mon? Rhyperior just isnt good. Sub is everywhere, pretty much every team has water/grass coverage, then when you add in that Machamp and Bronzong are seeing good amounts of usage, Rhyperior just struggles to find any good matchups. Definitely deserves a pretty big drop
Cresselia is in a somewhat similar boat to Rhyperiot with low usage and low w/r failing to justify its high place on the v/r. However unlike Rhyperior, it does still have its good matchups but with the likes of Zapdos favoring toxic stall over specs and Ape favoring Petaya over LO and its overall predictability, Cresselia probably does deserve to fall a bit down the v/r.
Hi,
the council has unanimously voted to ban sleep in ADV 1v1. We discussed it for quite some time if the better option was just banning jumpluff, or pluff and jynx but other sleepers have proven to be just as problematic (venusaur, breloom and even stuff like rapidash and ursaring, just to name a few) Quote Alakazam and idk who else to tag honestly. if there's any questions (which i seriously doubt since this has been long overdue) please feel free to ask
regarding pressure i cant say we will or even can do anything that solves the entire issue but we will do our best to figure it out in the coming weeks
also vr update soon and proper sample sets aswell n_n
the council has unanimously voted to ban sleep in ADV 1v1. We discussed it for quite some time if the better option was just banning jumpluff, or pluff and jynx but other sleepers have proven to be just as problematic (venusaur, breloom and even stuff like rapidash and ursaring, just to name a few) Quote Alakazam and idk who else to tag honestly. if there's any questions (which i seriously doubt since this has been long overdue) please feel free to ask
regarding pressure i cant say we will or even can do anything that solves the entire issue but we will do our best to figure it out in the coming weeks
also vr update soon and proper sample sets aswell n_n
Add the banned sleep moves to your post in the front of the thread, it’ll probably be implemented soon (just need to talk to people)
edit: also w/ pressure just look at individual abusers and suspect any Pokemon that is too much for the metagame speed-wise imo
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The Immortal please implement the adv sleep ban :]
The ORAS council got completely shifted. I took over the ORAS council and from now on will try and make this metagame the best that it can be with LittleRunnerXC and Robyn. We started working on changes VR wise and will release them once we finish them. They will, for sure, go up before PL starts.
Make a regular blaziken Resuspect if real
Old Gens Announcements
USUM
As the transition to Gen 8 has gone (relatively) smoothly, its time for the previous Gen to gain some independence. USUM will have five new(ish) council members consisting of:
Rosa
Nalei
Alakazam
Squirtell 1v1
annndddd someone else! We're opening up the floor for people to make their case as to why they think they should be in the USUM VR council.
We will be looking at several qualities: the most important ones will be experience in USUM, activity, and maturity, but one can also show previous experience in leading a metagame, or anything else they can think of that may show that they are the right choice. Theres no hard deadline on the decision, as the next few days will have a lot of other events going on (Mew Suspect, PL Captain Signups), but we'll let people know when a decision is made. Post in this thread to make your case, no one liners or w/ever
ORAS
Similar to USUM, ORAS also is in need of a 5th councilmember. ORAS council already has a few people in mind, but if anyone here thinks they can show that they have the experience, activity, and maturity to deserve a spot in ORAS, then post here as well.
Lastly, ORAS council would like to know what people think about a potential regular Blaziken resuspect. Regular Blaziken was previously voted to be banned during a triple suspect, where Mega Salamence, Mega Blaziken, and regular Blaziken were being suspected. While the votes for Mega Salamence and Mega Blaziken were overwhelming, regular Blaziken barely got the banhammer, with only a couple votes deciding it. Seeing as the suspect test conditions were quite unusual (3 suspected mons at a time, Mega Blaziken potentially grouping regular Blaziken into its vote), we would like to ask other players experienced in ORAS what they think and why. Obviously anyone can respond to talk about this, but it'll be kind of obvious if you know what you're talking about or not. Again, no official deadline, but if theres an overwhelming consensus either way we'll probably decide before PL.
USUM
As the transition to Gen 8 has gone (relatively) smoothly, its time for the previous Gen to gain some independence. USUM will have five new(ish) council members consisting of:
Rosa
Nalei
Alakazam
Squirtell 1v1
annndddd someone else! We're opening up the floor for people to make their case as to why they think they should be in the USUM VR council.
We will be looking at several qualities: the most important ones will be experience in USUM, activity, and maturity, but one can also show previous experience in leading a metagame, or anything else they can think of that may show that they are the right choice. Theres no hard deadline on the decision, as the next few days will have a lot of other events going on (Mew Suspect, PL Captain Signups), but we'll let people know when a decision is made. Post in this thread to make your case, no one liners or w/ever
ORAS
Similar to USUM, ORAS also is in need of a 5th councilmember. ORAS council already has a few people in mind, but if anyone here thinks they can show that they have the experience, activity, and maturity to deserve a spot in ORAS, then post here as well.
Lastly, ORAS council would like to know what people think about a potential regular Blaziken resuspect. Regular Blaziken was previously voted to be banned during a triple suspect, where Mega Salamence, Mega Blaziken, and regular Blaziken were being suspected. While the votes for Mega Salamence and Mega Blaziken were overwhelming, regular Blaziken barely got the banhammer, with only a couple votes deciding it. Seeing as the suspect test conditions were quite unusual (3 suspected mons at a time, Mega Blaziken potentially grouping regular Blaziken into its vote), we would like to ask other players experienced in ORAS what they think and why. Obviously anyone can respond to talk about this, but it'll be kind of obvious if you know what you're talking about or not. Again, no official deadline, but if theres an overwhelming consensus either way we'll probably decide before PL.
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experience in usum: Well I've been very active on PS since early gen 7, like right before deod ban. I've participated in almost every sm-related tour since two years ago and I went 4-1 in my most recent. (wc) Also, I'm currently a gen 7/8 1v1 qc which would definitely need a lot of experience and trial to get.
activity: I'm on about at least 6 hours a day on weekends, and can usually fit in 3 or so hours and weekdays.life? what's that? As i've said before I've participated in a lot of tours as well as gen 7 metagame discussion and viability rankings.
maturity: Yeah i know i have my ups and downs with maturity but i've been looking to be better in the past months and have been able to lead some community projects in gen 8 along with writing analyses. i'm also friends with 4/5 of the community if that counts.
experience in leading a metagame: I led AAA 1v1 at the end of gen 7 and (tried) to make it semi-active again since it had been really dead before but it died out like a lot of other metagames at that time. National Dex 1v1 is also currently being lead by me and i'd say i'm doing a fairly good job at it, the discord is very active and i haven't done anything hugely wrong (yet).
activity: I'm on about at least 6 hours a day on weekends, and can usually fit in 3 or so hours and weekdays.
maturity: Yeah i know i have my ups and downs with maturity but i've been looking to be better in the past months and have been able to lead some community projects in gen 8 along with writing analyses. i'm also friends with 4/5 of the community if that counts.
experience in leading a metagame: I led AAA 1v1 at the end of gen 7 and (tried) to make it semi-active again since it had been really dead before but it died out like a lot of other metagames at that time. National Dex 1v1 is also currently being lead by me and i'd say i'm doing a fairly good job at it, the discord is very active and i haven't done anything hugely wrong (yet).
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Applying for SM council
My experience with sm 1v1: I joined somewhere in the earlier of sm 1v1, and played almost every sm tour that I’ve been able to sign up for. I’ve done really well in many of these tours like World Cup going 3-2 and making it to finals with the East team both times. I’ve also done well in the 1v1 Ladder tournament placing 4th in that tournament. One other place I did amazingly well on is the gen 7 1v1 ladder, having at one point the highest peak ever reached in gen 7 1v1 which has been recently broken but I’ve had the highest peak for little while being 1950. I am very experienced with gen 7 with all the tours I have played and all the ladder games I’ve played with high level of skill being high ladder at most times
My activity: i am on for a while almost every day, I have lots of free time on weekends and some time in the evening/night time of weekdays est
My Maturity: yes I have struggled with a select few ppl in the past, I seem to be doing much better now and am looking to keep improving my maturity.
Experience in leading: I do not have much experience with leading things, but I plan on starting up and leading Community Create a team for gen 8 1v1 after the mew suspect as quote said I can maybe start it up after the suspect.
My experience with sm 1v1: I joined somewhere in the earlier of sm 1v1, and played almost every sm tour that I’ve been able to sign up for. I’ve done really well in many of these tours like World Cup going 3-2 and making it to finals with the East team both times. I’ve also done well in the 1v1 Ladder tournament placing 4th in that tournament. One other place I did amazingly well on is the gen 7 1v1 ladder, having at one point the highest peak ever reached in gen 7 1v1 which has been recently broken but I’ve had the highest peak for little while being 1950. I am very experienced with gen 7 with all the tours I have played and all the ladder games I’ve played with high level of skill being high ladder at most times
My activity: i am on for a while almost every day, I have lots of free time on weekends and some time in the evening/night time of weekdays est
My Maturity: yes I have struggled with a select few ppl in the past, I seem to be doing much better now and am looking to keep improving my maturity.
Experience in leading: I do not have much experience with leading things, but I plan on starting up and leading Community Create a team for gen 8 1v1 after the mew suspect as quote said I can maybe start it up after the suspect.
Applying for SM council
Experience: I'm the DPP TL and on the ADV council, and play every old gen. I made LT semis and did well in SM, as well as contributing to analyses. I have a ton of metagame experience and can coordinate tiering for old gens pretty well. I've worked with Mace/Nalei on sets (kinda) and Ryy on the program so I understand the strengths and weaknesses of everything well.
Activity: I'm a little less active than I used to be but still on at least once a day. I'm experienced with smogona nd very active on discord.
Maturity: I'm a chill dude. I've written tons of analyses and haven't really raged or done anything notably stupid.
Experience in leading: stated above.
Experience: I'm the DPP TL and on the ADV council, and play every old gen. I made LT semis and did well in SM, as well as contributing to analyses. I have a ton of metagame experience and can coordinate tiering for old gens pretty well. I've worked with Mace/Nalei on sets (kinda) and Ryy on the program so I understand the strengths and weaknesses of everything well.
Activity: I'm a little less active than I used to be but still on at least once a day. I'm experienced with smogona nd very active on discord.
Maturity: I'm a chill dude. I've written tons of analyses and haven't really raged or done anything notably stupid.
Experience in leading: stated above.
council applications lol like TheShadowClaw wasn't the most accomplished player of gen7
Put me in Sm and maybe back in oras
I have too much experience with sm and how it works seen by my record in tt and individuals, i am mature and id like to genuinely help with the tier.
Oras wise id like to say that the council needs a few people that actually played when it was main gen its like that in any non super ancient ou old gen so if not me someone else that's played then please.
Regarding blaziken as i stated above none of these people to my knowledge played a single game of oras where blaziken was allowed and everyone else who did play played ages ago(i dont even rmr games with it, just the suspect) so there is no good way of testing it, for example deo-d was allowed in tournaments and used quite frequently so 'quick suspecting' (no actual tests, just people voting) was reasonable. Idk how would u guys go about this except blind voting based on theorymoning, there is no oras ladder and unbanning a mon randomly for the upcoming pl just to 'test' would be weird and potentially catastrophic. Also as a side note ive only seen us east players wanting this suspect literally no one else.
I have too much experience with sm and how it works seen by my record in tt and individuals, i am mature and id like to genuinely help with the tier.
Oras wise id like to say that the council needs a few people that actually played when it was main gen its like that in any non super ancient ou old gen so if not me someone else that's played then please.
Regarding blaziken as i stated above none of these people to my knowledge played a single game of oras where blaziken was allowed and everyone else who did play played ages ago(i dont even rmr games with it, just the suspect) so there is no good way of testing it, for example deo-d was allowed in tournaments and used quite frequently so 'quick suspecting' (no actual tests, just people voting) was reasonable. Idk how would u guys go about this except blind voting based on theorymoning, there is no oras ladder and unbanning a mon randomly for the upcoming pl just to 'test' would be weird and potentially catastrophic. Also as a side note ive only seen us east players wanting this suspect literally no one else.
On Blaziken;
Dom and I,
The thing about blaziken is A) the current council has literally never played when oras was the main gen beside TDA OR when blaziken was allowed and b) it was already banned and c) the fact that it's pretty much a cheese mon. This mon realistically adds pretty much nothing to the tier. Not to mention it can cheese literally every single mon from S to A+ rank. With the right set it can tech any great mon it wants (besides like meloetta but u could probably run some insane papaya set). I don't think blaziken will be "standard" enough to have a specific set and instead just go around and cheese as many top mons as it can. Yes there's a lot of opportunity cost to run suboptimal sets to cteam top mons but realistically like 5 years after ORAS is done I don't see why we should do a move like this that really imo could only make the meta a little worse. I'm down to revisit the banlist but I like how we're talking about this thing but I don't think Blaziken specifically is worth adding back.
Dom and I,
The thing about blaziken is A) the current council has literally never played when oras was the main gen beside TDA OR when blaziken was allowed and b) it was already banned and c) the fact that it's pretty much a cheese mon. This mon realistically adds pretty much nothing to the tier. Not to mention it can cheese literally every single mon from S to A+ rank. With the right set it can tech any great mon it wants (besides like meloetta but u could probably run some insane papaya set). I don't think blaziken will be "standard" enough to have a specific set and instead just go around and cheese as many top mons as it can. Yes there's a lot of opportunity cost to run suboptimal sets to cteam top mons but realistically like 5 years after ORAS is done I don't see why we should do a move like this that really imo could only make the meta a little worse. I'm down to revisit the banlist but I like how we're talking about this thing but I don't think Blaziken specifically is worth adding back.
Applying for SM council:
Experience:
SM is the tier where I started to play 1v1. Since 2018 I’ve been enjoying the meta with enough tour-experience and success too. I would never let my team down and therefore I’ve won one Premier League and two World Cups almost flawless. This gen I’ve also nominated a variety of Pokémon that have made it in the VR-Ranking (Mega-Aerodactyl, Chandelure, Scolipede). I will always try to look for new strategies and being able to vote for them would therefore be amazing.
Activity:
You can find me online at least an hour per day, including the discord. While I’ve have taken a break last year, I noticed that my return was sooner than expected (this due to PL III), within 2 months. I expected to grow more socially IRL and I have, but not much as I expected which is fine. I got a job that puts me tight on certain days but I’m available around them.
Maturity:
Well, the 1v1 room had(/has?) this much faith in me that I was appointed Roomdriver for a couple of months. Furthermore I’ve only seen people like me and I’ve never created a fight with anyone. I’ve also captained a WC tour in 2018 and won that tour (and I hope to be PL captain this year). The two years that I’m around in this community have had a large influence on me, as I’d never think to grow this much on an online platform.
Experience:
SM is the tier where I started to play 1v1. Since 2018 I’ve been enjoying the meta with enough tour-experience and success too. I would never let my team down and therefore I’ve won one Premier League and two World Cups almost flawless. This gen I’ve also nominated a variety of Pokémon that have made it in the VR-Ranking (Mega-Aerodactyl, Chandelure, Scolipede). I will always try to look for new strategies and being able to vote for them would therefore be amazing.
Activity:
You can find me online at least an hour per day, including the discord. While I’ve have taken a break last year, I noticed that my return was sooner than expected (this due to PL III), within 2 months. I expected to grow more socially IRL and I have, but not much as I expected which is fine. I got a job that puts me tight on certain days but I’m available around them.
Maturity:
Well, the 1v1 room had(/has?) this much faith in me that I was appointed Roomdriver for a couple of months. Furthermore I’ve only seen people like me and I’ve never created a fight with anyone. I’ve also captained a WC tour in 2018 and won that tour (and I hope to be PL captain this year). The two years that I’m around in this community have had a large influence on me, as I’d never think to grow this much on an online platform.
New DPP VR + Sample teams are up!
Infernape S- -> A+
Metagross A -> A+
Raikou A -> A+
Shaymin A- -> A
Kingdra B+ -> A-
Tangrowth B -> B+
Registeel B- -> B
Togekiss B- -> B
Regice C -> C+
Weavile C -> C+
Aerodactyl C+ -> B
Alakazam C+ -> B-
Ambipom UR -> B+
Drifblim UR -> C-
Electrivire UR -> B-
Honchkrow UR -> C
Metagross A -> A+
Raikou A -> A+
Shaymin A- -> A
Kingdra B+ -> A-
Tangrowth B -> B+
Registeel B- -> B
Togekiss B- -> B
Regice C -> C+
Weavile C -> C+
Aerodactyl C+ -> B
Alakazam C+ -> B-
Ambipom UR -> B+
Drifblim UR -> C-
Electrivire UR -> B-
Honchkrow UR -> C
USUM VR Council!
Heyo, voting for the last member of the USUM VR council has finally ended. It was a tough choice, but in the end we found the person we needed.
Introducing Dire Strait as our last VR member! Dire Strait is a well known community member in 1v1, joining during Gen 7 and quickly making a name for himself on ladder, utilizing unorthodox strategies like Mono Fire and ahead-of-its-time Tapu Bulu/Ambipom cores to great success, peaking at a 4 digit ELO rank. 1v1's very own Greek soldier was kind of the obvious choice, when compared to the submissions, and he will provide excellent insight into USUM now and forever. What is your name, soldier? <3
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Heyo, voting for the last member of the USUM VR council has finally ended. It was a tough choice, but in the end we found the person we needed.
Introducing Dire Strait as our last VR member! Dire Strait is a well known community member in 1v1, joining during Gen 7 and quickly making a name for himself on ladder, utilizing unorthodox strategies like Mono Fire and ahead-of-its-time Tapu Bulu/Ambipom cores to great success, peaking at a 4 digit ELO rank. 1v1's very own Greek soldier was kind of the obvious choice, when compared to the submissions, and he will provide excellent insight into USUM now and forever. What is your name, soldier? <3
...
Punked again, we actually chose three people for USUM VR, totaling to 7 USUM VR members! Not joking this time.
Congratulations to:
Elo Bandit
TheShadowClaw
and pqs
for being the final USUM VR members! We realized having 7 members would be better for USUM, because even as an Old Gen it needs a massive amount of upkeeping, considering its size, diversity and popularity. All three of these players have shown resourcefulness, skill, activity, and necessary maturity to handle being a member of USUM VR. We think they will be excellent in maintaining the activity for projects to come, like with creating more sample teams.
It legitimately was a very hard choice to narrow down the final few members for the VR council, the people who applied all had the necessary skill to judge a Pokemon's viability in USUM, and we ended up having to vote with scaling voting (ranking people 1, 2, 3, etc) to figure out who would be the best choice. I thank everyone who applied, and I hope that just because you weren't selected today doesn't deter your commitment to the metagame.
Congratulations to:
Elo Bandit
TheShadowClaw
and pqs
for being the final USUM VR members! We realized having 7 members would be better for USUM, because even as an Old Gen it needs a massive amount of upkeeping, considering its size, diversity and popularity. All three of these players have shown resourcefulness, skill, activity, and necessary maturity to handle being a member of USUM VR. We think they will be excellent in maintaining the activity for projects to come, like with creating more sample teams.
It legitimately was a very hard choice to narrow down the final few members for the VR council, the people who applied all had the necessary skill to judge a Pokemon's viability in USUM, and we ended up having to vote with scaling voting (ranking people 1, 2, 3, etc) to figure out who would be the best choice. I thank everyone who applied, and I hope that just because you weren't selected today doesn't deter your commitment to the metagame.
ORAS VR Announcement
Elo Bandit and Whaleeeee have both been added to ORAS VR council. They are sure to use their years of ORAS knowledge to benefit the resources available for ORAS uwu
Elo Bandit and Whaleeeee have both been added to ORAS VR council. They are sure to use their years of ORAS knowledge to benefit the resources available for ORAS uwu
ORAS VR-Update
As promised in the announced of reviving the ORAS council we updated the VR properly before the PL.
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One explanation for the big Chansey drop: It lost its major set which is Charm+Seismic Toss because it was recently discovered that this combo isnt achievable in a legal way.
The VR is updated properly.
As promised in the announced of reviving the ORAS council we updated the VR properly before the PL.
S- - S A - A+ A- - A A- - A B+ - A- B - B+ B - A- B- - B B- - B C+ - B- C - C+ C - B- C - B- C - C+ C- - C C- - B- C- - C C- - C C- - CC- - C S - S- A+ - A A - A- A - A- A- - B- A- - B+ A- - B+ A- - B B+ - B B+ - B B - B- B - B- B - B- B- - C+ B- - C+ C+ - C C - C- C - C- C- - D C- - DThe VR is updated properly.
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Can we get an explanation about the rise and drops in A and S ranks cause a lot of these changes don't make sense at all, there's no obvious reasons as to why mega gyarados and Meloetta dropped and why kyub / mega alt / VICTINI risedORAS VR-Update
As promised in the announced of reviving the ORAS council we updated the VR properly before the PL.
One explanation for the big Chansey drop: It lost its major set which is Charm+Seismic Toss because it was recently discovered that this combo isnt achievable in a legal way.
The VR is updated properly.
As well as Talonflame and Deoxys-S ruseand Do
has virtually no answers to prominent Steel-types like Mega Mawile, Mega Metagross, Heatran, and Aegislash. It's most prominent set is Choice Scarf, and it's other options, like Choice Band, Choice Specs, WP, or Haban, doesn't make up for what it loses or only half succeeds in what it sets out to do. Furthermore, KyuB has a serious Stall problem. Mega Sableye, Mega Slowbro, can easily wall and stall its sets and any moderately bulky pokemon like Mega Gyarados and Mega Blastoise can all easily live hits and respond back.
Wow these are some interesting changes that could definitely use some explanations.ORAS VR-Update
As promised in the announced of reviving the ORAS council we updated the VR properly before the PL.
One explanation for the big Chansey drop: It lost its major set which is Charm+Seismic Toss because it was recently discovered that this combo isnt achievable in a legal way.
The VR is updated properly.
has virtually no answers to prominent Steel-types like Mega Mawile, Mega Metagross, Heatran, and Aegislash. It's most prominent set is Choice Scarf, and it's other options, like Choice Band, Choice Specs, WP, or Haban, doesn't make up for what it loses or only half succeeds in what it sets out to do. Furthermore, KyuB has a serious Stall problem. Mega Sableye, Mega Slowbro, can easily wall and stall its sets and any moderately bulky pokemon like Mega Gyarados and Mega Blastoise can all easily live hits and respond back.I don't exclusively reference "real" sets and EVs in favor of showing benchmarks.
Mega Mawile
4 SpA Teravolt Kyurem-Black Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mawile-Mega: 158-188 (51.9 - 61.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Huge Power Mawile-Mega Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kyurem-Black: 494-584 (126.3 - 149.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Teravolt Kyurem-Black Earth Power vs. 248 HP / 124 SpD Mawile-Mega: 256-302 (84.4 - 99.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Special Defensive Mawile can easily tank Earth Power and KO with Iron Head/Play Rough
252 SpA Choice Specs Teravolt Kyurem-Black Earth Power vs. 16 HP / 0 SpD Metagross-Mega: 258-304 (84.5 - 99.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Tough Claws Metagross-Mega Meteor Mash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kyurem-Black: 414-488 (105.8 - 124.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Low benchmark can easily tank Specs EP and can KO back with Mash + BP on any bulky variant
Heatran uses Air Balloon while KyuB is almost always choiced.
252 Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Fusion Bolt vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 127-150 (39.3 - 46.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 SpA Heatran Flash Cannon vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kyurem-Black: 236-282 (60.3 - 72.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Aegislash typically uses WP. So a Earth Power from KyuB will just end in it being OHKO'd, while any other move will do next to nothing.
252 Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Fusion Bolt vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Aegislash-Blade: 94-111 (29 - 34.2%) -- 99.5% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
Mega Sableye
Turn 1 Prankster Will-o-Wisp will neuter any physical attacks from scarf. And Sableye can shrug off mispredicted Ice Beam. Band and Specs sets also get punished hard by metal burst sets.
Mega Slowbro
is bulky.
252 Atk Choice Band Teravolt burned Kyurem-Black Fusion Bolt vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Slowbro-Mega: 119-141 (30.2 - 35.7%) -- 37.7% chance to 3HKO
Mega Gyarados
Mega Gyarados can benchmark to survive the 2HKO from Fusion Bolt from Scarf and 2HKO with Outrage.
-1 252 Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Fusion Bolt vs. 104 HP / 104 Def Gyarados-Mega: 150-178 (42 - 49.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Mega Blastoise
Lives and Counters. Or against the common Naive Scarf, Fake Out + Dragon Pulse also will win,
252 Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Fusion Bolt vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Blastoise-Mega: 228-270 (76.2 - 90.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Mega Mawile
4 SpA Teravolt Kyurem-Black Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mawile-Mega: 158-188 (51.9 - 61.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Huge Power Mawile-Mega Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kyurem-Black: 494-584 (126.3 - 149.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Teravolt Kyurem-Black Earth Power vs. 248 HP / 124 SpD Mawile-Mega: 256-302 (84.4 - 99.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Special Defensive Mawile can easily tank Earth Power and KO with Iron Head/Play Rough
252 SpA Choice Specs Teravolt Kyurem-Black Earth Power vs. 16 HP / 0 SpD Metagross-Mega: 258-304 (84.5 - 99.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Tough Claws Metagross-Mega Meteor Mash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kyurem-Black: 414-488 (105.8 - 124.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Low benchmark can easily tank Specs EP and can KO back with Mash + BP on any bulky variant
Heatran uses Air Balloon while KyuB is almost always choiced.
252 Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Fusion Bolt vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 127-150 (39.3 - 46.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 SpA Heatran Flash Cannon vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kyurem-Black: 236-282 (60.3 - 72.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Aegislash typically uses WP. So a Earth Power from KyuB will just end in it being OHKO'd, while any other move will do next to nothing.
252 Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Fusion Bolt vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Aegislash-Blade: 94-111 (29 - 34.2%) -- 99.5% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
Mega Sableye
Turn 1 Prankster Will-o-Wisp will neuter any physical attacks from scarf. And Sableye can shrug off mispredicted Ice Beam. Band and Specs sets also get punished hard by metal burst sets.
Mega Slowbro
is bulky.
252 Atk Choice Band Teravolt burned Kyurem-Black Fusion Bolt vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Slowbro-Mega: 119-141 (30.2 - 35.7%) -- 37.7% chance to 3HKO
Mega Gyarados
Mega Gyarados can benchmark to survive the 2HKO from Fusion Bolt from Scarf and 2HKO with Outrage.
-1 252 Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Fusion Bolt vs. 104 HP / 104 Def Gyarados-Mega: 150-178 (42 - 49.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Mega Blastoise
Lives and Counters. Or against the common Naive Scarf, Fake Out + Dragon Pulse also will win,
252 Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Fusion Bolt vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Blastoise-Mega: 228-270 (76.2 - 90.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Mega Altaria, Kyurem-B, Victini, Talonflame, Mega Gyarados, and Meloetta