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Tiering council hasnt voted yet. We can’t vote until the cycle is over, in case new shifts are nommed
Sorry, my bad. I had forgotten
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Wait, shouldn't my banded Bulu nom be in the set nominations? There are already three sets for him in the list, but shouldn't band be included too?
Yeah, I saw that. I was specifically referencing the "Set Nominations" tab. The sets that you nommed for Bulu are there, but shouldn't mine be there too, since I specifically nominated Banded Bulu instead of Bulu as a whole?
If you were nomming the set, you should've specified the set, as well as posted it in the Sets VR thread.
Sorry. I was nomming Bulu, using the banded set as my example. So I guess you're right, it doesn't really fit.
Nominating Vaporeon for C-/C/C+
Vaporeon does what you expect it to do. It beats most A or higher ranked Pokemons provided you get one good roll, excepting Dragonite, Gyarados-Mega, Mew, Magnezone, Slowbro-Mega, and Zygarde. Even without good rolls, it can hold its own against prominent Pokemons such as not thicc Charizard X's, Magearna, some Porygons, Meloetta, and Megagross. It also beats most Pokemons in the meta below A- that don't have electric/grass stab, sturdy, or a resistance to Hydro Vortex. Although it faces competition from other fat water types like Tapu Fini and Primarina, it has advantages over each of them. For example, it has a better Magearna matchup than Primarina and has a winnable matchup against Charizard Y, which Fini struggles with. It also has a very good matchup with Metagross, which can trouble the other two. I believe it deserves at least a spot in C- because of its 100 accuracy sleep, multitude of positive matchups against higher tiers, ability to cheese unfavorable matchups with hax, amazing bulkiness, and because of how adorable it is.
Vivi (Vaporeon) (F) @ Waterium Z
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 168 HP / 200 Def / 116 SpA / 24 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Yawn
- Protect
- Fake Tears
- Hydro Pump
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 168 HP / 200 Def / 116 SpA / 24 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Yawn
- Protect
- Fake Tears
- Hydro Pump
116+ SpA Vaporeon Hydro Vortex (185 BP) vs. 8 HP / 0 SpD Charizard-Mega-X: 303-357 (101.3 - 119.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
116+ SpA Vaporeon Hydro Vortex (185 BP) vs. -2 252 HP / 252+ SpD Charizard-Mega-X: 423-498 (117.5 - 138.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Adaptability Porygon-Z Hyper Beam vs. 168 HP / 24 SpD Vaporeon: 374-442 (84.4 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
116+ SpA Vaporeon Hydro Vortex (185 BP) vs. 12 HP / 0 SpD Porygon-Z: 334-394 (106.3 - 125.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
80 Atk Metagross-Mega Thunder Punch vs. 168 HP / 200 Def Vaporeon: 180-214 (40.6 - 48.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
116+ SpA Vaporeon Hydro Vortex (185 BP) vs. -2 8 HP / 0 SpD Charizard-Mega-Y in Sun: 464-548 (155.1 - 183.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
24 SpA Magearna Twinkle Tackle (195 BP) vs. 168 HP / 24 SpD protected Vaporeon: 68-80 (15.3 - 18%) -- possible 6HKO
24 SpA Magearna Fleur Cannon vs. 168 HP / 24 SpD Vaporeon: 183-216 (41.3 - 48.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
or if he calm minds
116+ SpA Vaporeon Hydro Vortex (185 BP) vs. -1 232 HP / 36 SpD Magearna: 339-400 (94.4 - 111.4%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
116+ SpA Vaporeon Hydro Vortex (185 BP) vs. -2 252 HP / 252+ SpD Charizard-Mega-X: 423-498 (117.5 - 138.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Adaptability Porygon-Z Hyper Beam vs. 168 HP / 24 SpD Vaporeon: 374-442 (84.4 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
116+ SpA Vaporeon Hydro Vortex (185 BP) vs. 12 HP / 0 SpD Porygon-Z: 334-394 (106.3 - 125.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
80 Atk Metagross-Mega Thunder Punch vs. 168 HP / 200 Def Vaporeon: 180-214 (40.6 - 48.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
116+ SpA Vaporeon Hydro Vortex (185 BP) vs. -2 8 HP / 0 SpD Charizard-Mega-Y in Sun: 464-548 (155.1 - 183.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
24 SpA Magearna Twinkle Tackle (195 BP) vs. 168 HP / 24 SpD protected Vaporeon: 68-80 (15.3 - 18%) -- possible 6HKO
24 SpA Magearna Fleur Cannon vs. 168 HP / 24 SpD Vaporeon: 183-216 (41.3 - 48.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
or if he calm minds
116+ SpA Vaporeon Hydro Vortex (185 BP) vs. -1 232 HP / 36 SpD Magearna: 339-400 (94.4 - 111.4%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
Hey everyone. I found a new Pokémon with some decent potential that is not really seen around here in 1v1:
Mega Houndoom UR —> Untested
Mega Houndoom has some pretty nice stats all around and it gains nice bulk after Mega Evolving. Fire / Dark is a cool offensive typing and combined with coverage moves and a base 140 Special Attack makes this thing strong right away.
Here is my prototype set! The Snarl Duskanroc set inspired some of the mechanics here. I think it was VG who made that but anyways:
bork bork (Houndoom-Mega) (M) @ Houndoominite
Ability: Solar Power
EVs: 192 HP / 248 SpD / 68 Spe
Calm Nature
- Snarl
- Fire Blast
- Rest
- Flame Charge
I tried to make this thing versatile and on paper it looks nice. 192 HP / 248+ Sp.Def lets it live one 252+ Adaptability Hyper Beam from Porygon-Z. The rest of the EVs were dumped into speed and after a Flame Charge it outpaces 252 speed Choice Scarf Porygon-Z and 252+ speed Zeraora. Flame Charge also lets it reliably beat Jumpluff. For the purposes of this set it is strong enough that it does not need any Special Attack investment:
0 SpA Houndoom-Mega Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Porygon-Z: 201-237 (53.7 - 63.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
I never found out what Snarl / Rest can take on, which is why I think this should go in untested.
Other options you say? We have Nasty Plot, Sludge Bomb, Counter, Will-O-Wisp, Thunder Fang, Dark Pulse, and Sucker Punch (examples for now).
Anyways, I think Houndoom has pretty good speed and power, plus solid enough bulk to be versatile. What are your thoughts?
EDIT 8:09 PM: I have tested this thing against a couple sets. It has pretty good matchups vs. Magearna, Naganadel, scarf P-Z, and psychium Lele (Z-Psychic/Reflect + CM).
Mega Houndoom UR —> Untested
Mega Houndoom has some pretty nice stats all around and it gains nice bulk after Mega Evolving. Fire / Dark is a cool offensive typing and combined with coverage moves and a base 140 Special Attack makes this thing strong right away.
Here is my prototype set! The Snarl Duskanroc set inspired some of the mechanics here. I think it was VG who made that but anyways:
bork bork (Houndoom-Mega) (M) @ Houndoominite
Ability: Solar Power
EVs: 192 HP / 248 SpD / 68 Spe
Calm Nature
- Snarl
- Fire Blast
- Rest
- Flame Charge
I tried to make this thing versatile and on paper it looks nice. 192 HP / 248+ Sp.Def lets it live one 252+ Adaptability Hyper Beam from Porygon-Z. The rest of the EVs were dumped into speed and after a Flame Charge it outpaces 252 speed Choice Scarf Porygon-Z and 252+ speed Zeraora. Flame Charge also lets it reliably beat Jumpluff. For the purposes of this set it is strong enough that it does not need any Special Attack investment:
0 SpA Houndoom-Mega Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Porygon-Z: 201-237 (53.7 - 63.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
I never found out what Snarl / Rest can take on, which is why I think this should go in untested.
Other options you say? We have Nasty Plot, Sludge Bomb, Counter, Will-O-Wisp, Thunder Fang, Dark Pulse, and Sucker Punch (examples for now).
Anyways, I think Houndoom has pretty good speed and power, plus solid enough bulk to be versatile. What are your thoughts?
EDIT 8:09 PM: I have tested this thing against a couple sets. It has pretty good matchups vs. Magearna, Naganadel, scarf P-Z, and psychium Lele (Z-Psychic/Reflect + CM).
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Golisopod UR-> UT.
Golisopod @ Assault Vest
Ability: Emergency Exit
EVs: 252 HP / 164 Atk / 92 SpD
Adamant Nature
- First Impression
- Sucker Punch
- Drill Run/Poison Jab/ Liquidation
- Rock Tomb/ Rock Slide
This set beats zards, thats about it. from my testing it just feels like a second araquanid, but it is slightly more bulky and has coverage in exchange for the water bubble+ hydro vortex. other sets can beat lopunny if you invest a bit more defensively. regardless I feel as if this mon has potential, especially because of the coverage that it has that araquanid lacks.
Golisopod @ Assault Vest
Ability: Emergency Exit
EVs: 252 HP / 164 Atk / 92 SpD
Adamant Nature
- First Impression
- Sucker Punch
- Drill Run/Poison Jab/ Liquidation
- Rock Tomb/ Rock Slide
This set beats zards, thats about it. from my testing it just feels like a second araquanid, but it is slightly more bulky and has coverage in exchange for the water bubble+ hydro vortex. other sets can beat lopunny if you invest a bit more defensively. regardless I feel as if this mon has potential, especially because of the coverage that it has that araquanid lacks.
Neat set, I only have one question. how does this do against magerna/magnezone?
I think Flame Charge into Fire Blast should beat both of them. Houndoom outspeeds both so using Snarl is also an okay option.
I think snarl might be mandatory against Modest Z-zap zone, but I haven't done the calcs yet.
Edit : nvm
252+ SpA Magnezone Gigavolt Havoc (190 BP) vs. 192 HP / 248+ SpD Houndoom-Mega: 264-312 (77.8 - 92%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Also, is there a place where I can just think out loud without any form and have people pitch in to find the best sets for mons I'd like to use (and also help others ofc) ?
Edit : nvm
252+ SpA Magnezone Gigavolt Havoc (190 BP) vs. 192 HP / 248+ SpD Houndoom-Mega: 264-312 (77.8 - 92%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Also, is there a place where I can just think out loud without any form and have people pitch in to find the best sets for mons I'd like to use (and also help others ofc) ?
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The room and discord, ideally.
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The voting has ended, results (as well as oranges) have been tallied, and now I present to you all: the VR shifts!
Click here to see the voting results for every Main VR nomination from this cycle.
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https://tiermaker.com/categories/pokemon/1v1-viability-rankings-v20-119112
This might feel shitposty, but I made this tier list for the VR. I know the incineroar pic is whasck but I really don't have to remake. Feel free to make your own rankings!
This might feel shitposty, but I made this tier list for the VR. I know the incineroar pic is whasck but I really don't have to remake. Feel free to make your own rankings!
That's more of advertisement than a shitpost. To me anyways.
That's not a nom, just food for thoughts about Victini's viability :
Z-Will-o'wisp is actually a good way to beat Sturdy pokemons (bar Magnezone). The burn status actually prevents most of them from straight up oneshotting you with their Z-move, and the attack boost lets you deal with them once the burn gets rid of sturdy.
Z-Will-o'wisp is actually a good way to beat Sturdy pokemons (bar Magnezone). The burn status actually prevents most of them from straight up oneshotting you with their Z-move, and the attack boost lets you deal with them once the burn gets rid of sturdy.
252+ Atk burned Donphan Tectonic Rage (180 BP) vs. 144 HP / 0 Def Victini: 306-360 (81.1 - 95.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk burned Donphan Continental Crush (200 BP) vs. 144 HP / 0 Def Victini: 226-266 (59.9 - 70.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk burned Donphan Ice Shard vs. 144 HP / 0 Def Victini: 11-13 (2.9 - 3.4%) -- possibly the worst move ever
(Ice shard's calcs being there because Priority is nice)
Meanwhile :
+1 252+ Atk Victini V-create vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Donphan: 345-406 (89.8 - 105.7%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO after burn damage
252+ Atk burned Donphan Continental Crush (200 BP) vs. 144 HP / 0 Def Victini: 226-266 (59.9 - 70.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk burned Donphan Ice Shard vs. 144 HP / 0 Def Victini: 11-13 (2.9 - 3.4%) -- possibly the worst move ever
(Ice shard's calcs being there because Priority is nice)
Meanwhile :
+1 252+ Atk Victini V-create vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Donphan: 345-406 (89.8 - 105.7%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO after burn damage
Heatran: B+ to A-/A
I think in a meta where mega charizard is the best and most pokemon by virtue of its versatility, pokes that can beat it + other threats are usually pretty good. Heatran, one of these pokemon, is really cool in the meta right now. I think what really limits its rank at B+ is the notion that it needs to run overheat, rock tomb, earthpower, and maybe flash cannon. I think heatran is very versatile in the metagame right now and the set that i mentioned earlier is super "meh". On balloon, I think taunt and hp ice are really cool options. Taunt is awesome for those Registeel/Serp cores that kind of showed up randomly on the really high parts of the ladder, but also cool for bulky pokes in general like venusaur and kind of jumpluff. HP ice is good for landorust/garchomp if you're weak to that. But I also think both Grassium-Z and Firium-Z are good in the meta. Free wins vs primarina/tapufini/slowbro teams (if you build right) are really cool and it can beat gyarados too. Firium-Z with metal sound on overheat is super nice for all the super bulky meloettas running around not to mention tapu lele and porygonz that like to boost their special defense stats. You can still beat those regi/serp cores just as well with it.
Overall heatran is a super nice pokemon in the current metagame and also easy to put on a team to cover really relevant metagame pokemon like steel types, charizard, and faries. Garchomp too because banded garchomp does a lot of the same things and sub + groundz is nice for pokes like venusaur so I think that should rise.
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Also another look at this B+ rank is reallyconfusing intersting.. Why pokemon that define 1v1 like tapufini and primarina are ranked the same as MAGNETON really bothers me. Magneton should definetely drop, completely worse magnezone (Gyarados will quake magneton just like it will quake magnezone) and I think victini should drop too. I think tapufini and primarina should rise to probably A rank but A- works too I guess. A lot of tried and true pokemon reside in this rank for whatever reason like mega altaria and genesect while pokes like naganadel, sawk and mega lopunny are in lower ranks? I think a lot of B+ pokemon should rise, specifically mega altaria, garchomp, genesect, primarina, mega sableye, tapu fini, mega venusaur for sure, mega tyranitar and rising star zeraora. I think B pokes like necrozma (since guessing whether offensive or defensive is a pain) and the previously mentioned B pokes should rise along with some B+ pokes.
Serperior should rise with registeel too. Serperior in B I think and registeel in B-
I think in a meta where mega charizard is the best and most pokemon by virtue of its versatility, pokes that can beat it + other threats are usually pretty good. Heatran, one of these pokemon, is really cool in the meta right now. I think what really limits its rank at B+ is the notion that it needs to run overheat, rock tomb, earthpower, and maybe flash cannon. I think heatran is very versatile in the metagame right now and the set that i mentioned earlier is super "meh". On balloon, I think taunt and hp ice are really cool options. Taunt is awesome for those Registeel/Serp cores that kind of showed up randomly on the really high parts of the ladder, but also cool for bulky pokes in general like venusaur and kind of jumpluff. HP ice is good for landorust/garchomp if you're weak to that. But I also think both Grassium-Z and Firium-Z are good in the meta. Free wins vs primarina/tapufini/slowbro teams (if you build right) are really cool and it can beat gyarados too. Firium-Z with metal sound on overheat is super nice for all the super bulky meloettas running around not to mention tapu lele and porygonz that like to boost their special defense stats. You can still beat those regi/serp cores just as well with it.
Overall heatran is a super nice pokemon in the current metagame and also easy to put on a team to cover really relevant metagame pokemon like steel types, charizard, and faries. Garchomp too because banded garchomp does a lot of the same things and sub + groundz is nice for pokes like venusaur so I think that should rise.
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Also another look at this B+ rank is really
Serperior should rise with registeel too. Serperior in B I think and registeel in B-
Appreciate the enthusiasm, though you're off on a few points here:
- You kinda need tomb + ep for zards, unless you're running physdef metal sound + ancient power or something, and you always need a fire move, which rly only leaves you the one free slot.
- HP Ice isn't killing lando/chomp super reliably
- 252+ SpA Heatran Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 348-412 (91 - 107.8%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO (tbf here, most landos don't run hp so meh)
- 252+ SpA Heatran Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 332-392 (92.9 - 109.8%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
- Gyarados that mega vs a balloonless tran deserve to eat a Z-Solar Beam-
- Magneton with Timid outpaces Adamant Gyarados by 1 point in Speed, and ohkos with Z-Zap, in addition to maintaining just about all the same matchups as Magnezone, plus reliably beating a couple more things, thanks to its ability to outspeed things like Meloetta and Heatran, at the expense of losing the ability to KO other things.
- No matter how much these B+ mons "define 1v1", they simply just aren't as viable as their A- counterparts, namely, they don't beat as many top tier pokemon as reliably, or they simply struggle far too much with everything else.
Also please be sure to clarify if this is just a nom for heatran or if you're also nomming all the other things you think should rise-
whats this bullet wave
With the rise of grass types such as bulu and serp, gren is at a really good spot at the moment. It can beat the aforementioned serp, naga, slowbro, zygarde all them shits. Charizards bulked to tank a specs hydro cannon get blasted back by modest. Magnezone loses to hp ground. Hell even, shit like choice band is seen from time to time. hp ground hp fire ice beam hydro cannon grass knot dark pulse extrasensory shits got it all
What the fuck does this dogshit do except beating less stuff than zone and beating gyarados speedcrept for zone. I love ton but srsly?
Gardevoir is really good in the current meta, beating Lele, porygonz, gyarados and it's an actual dnite check. Beats even stuff like slowbro, zygarde and landot. Definitely A tier material
dragoniumz with iron defense outrage roost and dd is a really solid set. I've personally had decent amount of ladder success with it. Notable matchups are gyarados, kommo-o, slow charizard-x, charizard-y, zeraora (not dragz) and landorus-t. B- is definitely not out of nowhere and even B wouldn't be too far out
Diancie has seen a small spark in usage as a zard killer that also beats stuff like Altaria, Kommo-o. Magnet Rise allows it to beat Donphan and Golem. rock tomb magnet rise moonblast earthpower/diamondstorm/hp fire and even calm mind.
this thing is fucking amazing, its a successful subseed staller while having leaf storm boosts to have any power. It beats gyara magearna magnezone metagross. It can even beat heatran. this is fucking broken pls S tier tda san
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Gren A -> strong agree. it does so much, I feel as if this is self explanatory.A to A+
whats this bullet wave
With the rise of grass types such as bulu and serp, gren is at a really good spot at the moment. It can beat the aforementioned serp, naga, slowbro, zygarde all them shits. Charizards bulked to tank a specs hydro cannon get blasted back by modest. Magnezone loses to hp ground. Hell even, shit like choice band is seen from time to time. hp ground hp fire ice beam hydro cannon grass knot dark pulse extrasensory shits got it all
B+ to B-
What the fuck does this dogshit do except beating less stuff than zone and beating gyarados speedcrept for zone. I love ton but srsly?
A- to A
Gardevoir is really good in the current meta, beating Lele, porygonz, gyarados and it's an actual dnite check. Beats even stuff like slowbro, zygarde and landot. Definitely A tier material
C+ to B- / B
dragoniumz with iron defense outrage roost and dd is a really solid set. I've personally had decent amount of ladder success with it. Notable matchups are gyarados, kommo-o, slow charizard-x, charizard-y, zeraora (not dragz) and landorus-t. B- is definitely not out of nowhere and even B wouldn't be too far out
Mag B+ -> B- Agree, even regular magnezone is kinda falling out of favor right now, I wouldn't even be opposed to C+.
M-Gardevoir A- -> A I haven't play tested with this mon enough to make a strong opinion
Mence C+ -> B-/B Through my playtesting, 9/10 times its a worse dragonite. its fine where it is.
While the priority first impression is nice, thats all it has going for it, as much as I love this mon, its niche isn't even that good, with. it beats a whole 1 S rank mon, being mega zards, and then you have to go all the way to A to find another favorable match up. This mon just doesn't do enough to justify a spot above D when araquanid exists and does its job better 9/10 times
EDIT: I would like to edit my vr ranking to just keep it UT for now. I feel as if I haven't given it enough of a chance, and I have yet to see anyone else give an opinion.
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mence actually beats gyarados which dragonite can't do without some niche electriumz set as well as outrage zera which completely counters regular dnite, it's definitely worthy of B- at least.
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