Serious 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

Who are your favorite candidates?

  • Kamala Harris

    Votes: 43 8.0%
  • Elizabeth Warren

    Votes: 99 18.4%
  • Julián Castro

    Votes: 16 3.0%
  • Pete Buttigieg

    Votes: 51 9.5%
  • Kirsten Gillibrand

    Votes: 7 1.3%
  • John Delaney

    Votes: 9 1.7%
  • Tulsi Gabbard

    Votes: 63 11.7%
  • Bernie Sanders

    Votes: 338 62.9%
  • Amy Klobuchar

    Votes: 12 2.2%
  • Joe Biden

    Votes: 45 8.4%
  • Andrew Yang

    Votes: 112 20.9%
  • Cory Booker

    Votes: 7 1.3%
  • Marianne Williamson

    Votes: 19 3.5%
  • Mike Bloomberg

    Votes: 12 2.2%

  • Total voters
    537
Honestly Bernie doesn’t need to worry about his chances in Florida in the general because he already has a pretty poor chance there demographically. his path is primarily through the Midwest alone. That’s not necessarily a bad thing. I mean there is still a path to 270 without Florida, but I mean ha... 21 of the last 23 elections have been decided with FL on the side of the winner.

Bloomberg would be the candidate most likely to win FL of the bunch, but I mean ew Bloomberg and that alone is far from a reason to nominate him.

Bernie would possibly have a negative down ballot effect in FL as well, but I could see people ticket split since the dem reps in south FL have very clearly stated their policy disagreements.
 
Honestly Bernie doesn’t need to worry about his chances in Florida in the general because he already has a pretty poor chance there demographically. his path is primarily through the Midwest alone. That’s not necessarily a bad thing. I mean there is still a path to 270 without Florida, but I mean ha... 21 of the last 23 elections have been decided with FL on the side of the winner.

Bloomberg would be the candidate most likely to win FL of the bunch, but I mean ew Bloomberg and that alone is far from a reason to nominate him.

Bernie would possibly have a negative down ballot effect in FL as well, but I could see people ticket split since the dem reps in south FL have very clearly stated their policy disagreements.

Agreed. Bernie’s most likely path is Michigan, Arizona, Pennsylvania. Wisconsin is has a disproportionate percentage of Trump-loving working class whites and most aggressive voter suppression of the four.

I think Bernie’s defense on his Cuba comments should be similar to how he defended himself in the town hall; he could probably do better on stressing that he does not endorse the authoritarianism of the Fidel Castro regime, which he really needs to stress in order to improve the Democrats’ standing in Florida. He’s surely already being briefed on how to respond to the moderators’ questions on this (which, if last night’s town hall is anything to go by, they will ask).

I think Bernie can claim victory in this debate so long as he maintains his current standing and brings Bloomberg’s standing down, so I would certainly expect him to attack Bloomberg whenever the opportunity arises

Adamant Zoroark his defense was fine. He actually spoke the truth regarding Cuba (the exact same position as Obama publicly stated). However, he needs to understand that this is an unforced error because there are ways to speak positively of social programs without voluntarily inviting discussion of authoritarian regimes.
 
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if you think some other candidate besides sanders is gonna win in florida i have multiple bridges to sell you, how could you so foolish as to really truly believe bloomberg has a better chance than Sanders? he has less name recognition in florida than Sanders for starters, you have to understand Trump has been a big thing for evangelicals and christians in America for decades. Christians aren't not voting for a dem because they want a nice moderate white man to replace him, they really legit have thought trump is great for decades. If you want to have a chance against that you have to offer them something substantive not the next best billionaire icon to trumo. If that's your strat your best candidate is seriously bill gates, they love him and his benevolent richness and charity makes progressive policies almost palatable, but they have no love of nor recognition of bloomberg. i could go on but wow, wake up ppl ur living in a dream world.
 
elizabeth warren spins everything bernie says like its her own agenda, shes literally proposing the same things in every debate and then slapping a catchy slogan at the end of her speech.
 
My current thoughts during this commercial break in the debates:

-Last debate was fun to watch despite the punches thrown, because the hits were done with effective and poignant language to draw contrast. This debate, it's just a messy brawl between all the candidates. Candidates are trying to make points but are entirely ineffective. Instead, it devolves into a contest of who can say "I'm right and you're wrong" the most times.
-Bernie mentioned Native Americans for the second night in a row.
-I personally am finding Warren's defense of the progressive agenda so much more effective than Sander's. Part of this is maybe because Sanders is the target of the most attacks... But I just can't see how the progressives can win this debate unless they both work together.

EDIT:

Thoughts during the second commercial break:
-Things have calmed down a bit, but overall this section seemed to produce relatively inconsequential questions where the candidates agreed on the same things.
-Bernie mentioned Native Americans again, but this time in a response to a Marijuana question... which seemed a bit unrelated? idk, maybe I'm wrong here, I might need to do more research.
-Hate to say it, but I think Biden is winning the debate. He's consistently staying on topic while others veer off, and he's been defending his speaking time so much better than in any past debate. He's fighting hard to keep a positive image for his firewall state.
-Bloomberg saying that he thought he won the last debate and that the other candidates should be scared of him is laughably wrong, but at the same time no one challenged on it and he looks like he got away with it.

EDIT 2:

Thoughts during the third commercial break:
-My mind is kinda mushy here. I'm not a foreign policy expert, but it does seem like Sander got a lot of unfair hit from the moderators implying that as a Jew, his stance of Israel goes against his own people.
-Again, not a ton of stand out things here, but Biden is comfortable in foreign policy portions and it showed.
-Warren was basically silent and it made me sad. Hoping she has a strong closing.

EDIT 3:

Thoughts on overall debate:
-I say this with much sadness, but I think this is the first debate that the progressives lost. I don't think anything happened that will chip into Sanders base at all, but for a state like South Carolina, I think Biden just ensured that he can stay competitive. I'm hoping this doesn't have a snowfall effect, hoping the progressives can still dominate Super Tuesday.
 
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elizabeth warren spins everything bernie says like its her own agenda, shes literally proposing the same things in every debate and then slapping a catchy slogan at the end of her speech.
This is not the case at all. She's defending their shared progressive agenda, with her careful plans. There's a few differences in some of those plans, but those are small and she is 100% the better one of the two in debating the merits of the progressive agenda. I'm not saying this to get Sanders supporters to back Warren, I'm saying that she's a needed voice to back the agenda while Sanders is incapacitated and wasting so much of his time defending attacks. Sander's has to spend his time defensively, Warren is aiding their cause by having her additional talking time.
 
(bias disclaimer: i don't work for a commercial health insurance company, but i work for an EHR (electronic health record) company—Epic Systems—on a team that makes software for some of them. if m4a was passed i would probably just be transferred to a different division, but all the code i've written in the last 3 years would be set on fire, which would make me kind of sad.)

I don't want to come out swinging here, but I don't see how anyone who's intimately familiar with the US health care / insurance industry can enthusiastically support Medicare for All. I'm not particularly interested in the "other countries have done it" argument because frankly a culturally homogenous nation the size of the southern half of California does not face the same challenges in implemention as the United States.

Point one: our government is evil.
I'm really not sure how much this kind of news penetrates my bubble, but you may have seen headlines like "Epic’s CEO is urging hospital customers to oppose rules that would make it easier to share medical info." My view in this matter is that the government is being evil, and the stooge who wrote this headline is either a useful idiot or an accomplice. To break it down simply, the government has proposed new rules that EHRs have to send their data to any random iPhone app that asks for it. That has obvious consumer privacy implementations because hospitals and EHRs are governed by HIPAA, but random iPhone apps aren't, so my company asked that we extend HIPAA to health care apps, which I think is pretty reasonable. Of course, iPhone apps all make a profit off of selling data so if they were actually governed by HIPAA random health startups would have a hard time attracting venture capital so the government's response was to cry BUHHH OLIGARCH ROBBER BARON. (There are other, more morally gray fights over the proposed regulation but I think this one is pretty black and white).

If you're giving control of your health care to the government, you have to accept that at some point you are giving control of your health care to whoever you hate, to people like Seema Verma and Donald Trump or maybe even worse, to evil immoral people.

Point two: our government is incompetent.
There is talk about how M4A will save money. Bernie has some numbers he likes to bring up in every debate. I absolutely don't believe it. The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) is already the biggest payer in the US by leaps and bounds. Because they pay reliably (even if usually less than private payers), they are courted by providers around the nation. CMS has incredible influence on health prices currently—many private insurers don't even bother setting their own rates for many services, just saying they will reimburse at x% of CMS—yet they have consistently failed to keep costs down. And it's not like they haven't tried; they've come up with a dozen schemes in as many years. They just don't work. Medicare Advantage failed to save money. So did Next Gen ACOs. Ironically, something that has saved a little money is managed Medicaid, which is the practice of capitating out Medicaid populations to private insurers, i.e. the exact opposite of M4A. Food for thought.

I don't think M4A will cause a ton of deaths or anything, but I don't think our government is capable of making anything more efficient. Expect prices to rise even further and lots of very perplexed op-eds from kool aid drinkers.

Point three: our government is political.
Politics has a ton of unfortunate implications on how things are run. For just two examples: NASA gets fucked by politics; every time a new president is elected, or a new party takes control of congress, or someone breaks wind in DC their priorities completely shift, which hamstrings them from actually making long-term strides toward their goals (I could point to similar examples in healthcare here, but this is an example I expect more people to identify with). healthcare.gov got fucked by politics; various aspects of the technical design which should have just been a black-box were codified in law, which turned the implementation into a disaster. Every large scale project our government tackles gets to pick one of two modes: get ruined by 535 cooks trying to salt the pot at once, or get ruined by delegating power to the executive branch and watching it get whiplash every four to eight years.

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In the end, do I support m4a? It's a tough call but very trepidatiously, I think I do. Despite what I've said above, private industry is equally evil (though at least in a more predictable way), less incompetent and less political. I'm rich, so if M4A is passed I expect that my health care will become worse. But if we're all gonna get fucked by the big dick of fate I think it's morally right that we all get fucked equally, rather than by how much wealth we were born into.
 
(bias disclaimer: i don't work for a commercial health insurance company, but i work for an EHR (electronic health record) company—Epic Systems—on a team that makes software for some of them. if m4a was passed i would probably just be transferred to a different division, but all the code i've written in the last 3 years would be set on fire, which would make me kind of sad.)

I don't want to come out swinging here, but I don't see how anyone who's intimately familiar with the US health care / insurance industry can enthusiastically support Medicare for All. I'm not particularly interested in the "other countries have done it" argument because frankly a culturally homogenous nation the size of the southern half of California does not face the same challenges in implemention as the United States.

Point one: our government is evil.
I'm really not sure how much this kind of news penetrates my bubble, but you may have seen headlines like "Epic’s CEO is urging hospital customers to oppose rules that would make it easier to share medical info." My view in this matter is that the government is being evil, and the stooge who wrote this headline is either a useful idiot or an accomplice. To break it down simply, the government has proposed new rules that EHRs have to send their data to any random iPhone app that asks for it. That has obvious consumer privacy implementations because hospitals and EHRs are governed by HIPAA, but random iPhone apps aren't, so my company asked that we extend HIPAA to health care apps, which I think is pretty reasonable. Of course, iPhone apps all make a profit off of selling data so if they were actually governed by HIPAA random health startups would have a hard time attracting venture capital so the government's response was to cry BUHHH OLIGARCH ROBBER BARON. (There are other, more morally gray fights over the proposed regulation but I think this one is pretty black and white).

If you're giving control of your health care to the government, you have to accept that at some point you are giving control of your health care to whoever you hate, to people like Seema Verma and Donald Trump or maybe even worse, to evil immoral people.

Point two: our government is incompetent.
There is talk about how M4A will save money. Bernie has some numbers he likes to bring up in every debate. I absolutely don't believe it. The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) is already the biggest payer in the US by leaps and bounds. Because they pay reliably (even if usually less than private payers), they are courted by providers around the nation. CMS has incredible influence on health prices currently—many private insurers don't even bother setting their own rates for many services, just saying they will reimburse at x% of CMS—yet they have consistently failed to keep costs down. And it's not like they haven't tried; they've come up with a dozen schemes in as many years. They just don't work. Medicare Advantage failed to save money. So did Next Gen ACOs. Ironically, something that has saved a little money is managed Medicaid, which is the practice of capitating out Medicaid populations to private insurers, i.e. the exact opposite of M4A. Food for thought.

I don't think M4A will cause a ton of deaths or anything, but I don't think our government is capable of making anything more efficient. Expect prices to rise even further and lots of very perplexed op-eds from kool aid drinkers.

Point three: our government is political.
Politics has a ton of unfortunate implications on how things are run. For just two examples: NASA gets fucked by politics; every time a new president is elected, or a new party takes control of congress, or someone breaks wind in DC their priorities completely shift, which hamstrings them from actually making long-term strides toward their goals (I could point to similar examples in healthcare here, but this is an example I expect more people to identify with). healthcare.gov got fucked by politics; various aspects of the technical design which should have just been a black-box were codified in law, which turned the implementation into a disaster. Every large scale project our government tackles gets to pick one of two modes: get ruined by 535 cooks trying to salt the pot at once, or get ruined by delegating power to the executive branch and watching it get whiplash every four to eight years.

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In the end, do I support m4a? It's a tough call but very trepidatiously, I think I do. Despite what I've said above, private industry is equally evil (though at least in a more predictable way), less incompetent and less political. I'm rich, so if M4A is passed I expect that my health care will become worse. But if we're all gonna get fucked by the big dick of fate I think it's morally right that we all get fucked equally, rather than by how much wealth we were born into.

Government is an extension of the people. If our government is "evil," "incompetent," and "political" it's because we the people failed to take responsibility for self-governance. We choose our government, not vice versa.

Medicare For All needs no defense. Why?

Medicare already works.
 
My position on m4a is that it may NOT cut costs vs the current cost, but the service it provides would be far more valuable. Fewer people not going to the hospital because they can't afford it. I'm extremely privileged myself and it does still hurt to pay a $1000 hospital bill; imagine if I didn't have those funds? So no matter what the numbers say on the cost of m4a vs our current system, m4a is a necessary investment in the future of american lives: even if we lose money in the next 10 years, money is phantom in our current debt model anyway so who cares. M4a is a future investment to lower drug prices, it's a step in the right direction and will not instantly solve our problems. It might increase costs but to NOT switch to a socialized healthcare system in the USA is going to be just as bad.

Hey if people stop worrying about health insurance they may live a little longer, that's more taxes paid eh
 
(bias disclaimer: i don't work for a commercial health insurance company, but i work for an EHR (electronic health record) company—Epic Systems—on a team that makes software for some of them. if m4a was passed i would probably just be transferred to a different division, but all the code i've written in the last 3 years would be set on fire, which would make me kind of sad.)

I don't want to come out swinging here, but I don't see how anyone who's intimately familiar with the US health care / insurance industry can enthusiastically support Medicare for All. I'm not particularly interested in the "other countries have done it" argument because frankly a culturally homogenous nation the size of the southern half of California does not face the same challenges in implemention as the United States.

Point one: our government is evil.
I'm really not sure how much this kind of news penetrates my bubble, but you may have seen headlines like "Epic’s CEO is urging hospital customers to oppose rules that would make it easier to share medical info." My view in this matter is that the government is being evil, and the stooge who wrote this headline is either a useful idiot or an accomplice. To break it down simply, the government has proposed new rules that EHRs have to send their data to any random iPhone app that asks for it. That has obvious consumer privacy implementations because hospitals and EHRs are governed by HIPAA, but random iPhone apps aren't, so my company asked that we extend HIPAA to health care apps, which I think is pretty reasonable. Of course, iPhone apps all make a profit off of selling data so if they were actually governed by HIPAA random health startups would have a hard time attracting venture capital so the government's response was to cry BUHHH OLIGARCH ROBBER BARON. (There are other, more morally gray fights over the proposed regulation but I think this one is pretty black and white).

If you're giving control of your health care to the government, you have to accept that at some point you are giving control of your health care to whoever you hate, to people like Seema Verma and Donald Trump or maybe even worse, to evil immoral people.

Point two: our government is incompetent.
There is talk about how M4A will save money. Bernie has some numbers he likes to bring up in every debate. I absolutely don't believe it. The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) is already the biggest payer in the US by leaps and bounds. Because they pay reliably (even if usually less than private payers), they are courted by providers around the nation. CMS has incredible influence on health prices currently—many private insurers don't even bother setting their own rates for many services, just saying they will reimburse at x% of CMS—yet they have consistently failed to keep costs down. And it's not like they haven't tried; they've come up with a dozen schemes in as many years. They just don't work. Medicare Advantage failed to save money. So did Next Gen ACOs. Ironically, something that has saved a little money is managed Medicaid, which is the practice of capitating out Medicaid populations to private insurers, i.e. the exact opposite of M4A. Food for thought.

I don't think M4A will cause a ton of deaths or anything, but I don't think our government is capable of making anything more efficient. Expect prices to rise even further and lots of very perplexed op-eds from kool aid drinkers.

Point three: our government is political.
Politics has a ton of unfortunate implications on how things are run. For just two examples: NASA gets fucked by politics; every time a new president is elected, or a new party takes control of congress, or someone breaks wind in DC their priorities completely shift, which hamstrings them from actually making long-term strides toward their goals (I could point to similar examples in healthcare here, but this is an example I expect more people to identify with). healthcare.gov got fucked by politics; various aspects of the technical design which should have just been a black-box were codified in law, which turned the implementation into a disaster. Every large scale project our government tackles gets to pick one of two modes: get ruined by 535 cooks trying to salt the pot at once, or get ruined by delegating power to the executive branch and watching it get whiplash every four to eight years.

---

In the end, do I support m4a? It's a tough call but very trepidatiously, I think I do. Despite what I've said above, private industry is equally evil (though at least in a more predictable way), less incompetent and less political. I'm rich, so if M4A is passed I expect that my health care will become worse. But if we're all gonna get fucked by the big dick of fate I think it's morally right that we all get fucked equally, rather than by how much wealth we were born into.
Interesting post

1 and 3 are similar points, and quite frankly, have less to do directly with healthcare and more with the fear of power consolidation and the ability for corruption and malicious behavior from elected officials and government agencies as a whole - healthcare is involved because of the vast troves of personal data used in the field and its ubiquitous nature (everyone needs healthcare). For the most part, I agree with your points at face value - dissension (rules change out of spite, ideology; hard to pass a good version initially), corruption (rules change for personal gain; hard to pass a good bill initially), ignorance (rules change because issues are misrepresented or lawmakers are ill-informed), and desire for power (health insurance can now be used a leveraging chip by power-hungry authoritarians). I think major reforms are needed to address these types of issues (lobbying reform, campaign finance reform, term limits, weakening of executive power, ranked choice voting, etc) as they are more intrinsic to current government function as a whole than any other concept. Private companies already use insurance as a tool to control the workforce by linking affordable coverage to employment status.

VS point 2
  1. Private companies pay on average 241% more than Medicare coverage for the same treatment (source: CBO analysis)
  2. With reliable (ie predictable) payment comes the ability to lower prices (from a provider standpoint)
  3. Medicare covers 44 million people. Medicaid covers 75 million people. UnitedHealthCare (largest insurer) covers 49 million people. The top 5 largest insurance firms cover 145 million people. Government-run healthcare has a large market share and is reliable, but isn't larger than the private sector. When Medicare covers 100% of people, it will be able to choose the market value for an operation based on its payout structure; they don't need to save money when they control the market. (sources: 1 2)
  4. Profit motive already makes the private system inefficient for the customer; the government just has to beat that margin.

Other related thoughts: Private insurance probably won't die completely because of Medicare's reverse catastrophic cap payment structure; those who can afford additional coverage will buy it due to risk aversion. M4A should be supplemented with better health education and policies to promote healthier habits and diet (will significantly lower medical need). Such a large industry being disrupted probably requires safety net programs to help those who will be changing fields or public/private sector employment. 120 million Americans (more than 1 in 3) are already covered by a public option and nearly every hospital accepts their coverage; how challenging/successful will implementation be?
 
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Sales / politics 101:

Ask for the order. None of the candidates are asking for our vote. "It's implied" is not good enough. "I want to be your nominee for President." "X is why you should vote for me." Who is consulting these people?

This debate was uneventful. Policy out the ying yang. No one held their composure well. Pete Buttigieg is a know it all. Klobuchar is a nervous wreck. Bernie looked like he was about to explode when he was put on the defensive. Biden was mediocre but looked good shouting among a bunch of trainwrecks. Warren's voice gets annoying after a while. Bloomberg is a robot. Steyer is just lame. Ugh.
 
When Trump speaks, such as at his rallies, the tone is positive, hopeful, and patriotic. Then listen to the Dems, all doom and hatred. Trump is going to win the general in a walk.

Trump is a petulant crybaby. Every rally is a profanity laced tirade against Democrats and the few (ex) Republicans that oppose him.

The Republican primary in 2016 was even more egregious. At least the Democrats fight on substance.

“Low T Jeb”
“Little Marco”
“Tiny hands mean tiny...”
“Ted Cruz’s wife”

The GOP is a global laughing stock, destined to burn the country (and the planet) down with it.
 
Trump is a petulant crybaby. Every rally is a profanity laced tirade against Democrats and the few (ex) Republicans that oppose him.

The Republican primary in 2016 was even more egregious. At least the Democrats fight on substance.

“Low T Jeb”
“Little Marco”
“Tiny hands mean tiny...”
“Ted Cruz’s wife”

The GOP is a global laughing stock, destined to burn the country (and the planet) down with it.
Kind of disagree. Trump doesn’t sound particularly profane in comparison to average people, he just sounds like an average person in both intelligence and comportment because that is his intelligence and morality level (and we should strive for more from the president).

I do agree with the idea that the Democrats need to run a positive campaign against Trump. This is honestly why I think Bernie is winning above any other single factor. If you look at the other candidates, most of what they do is attack, attack, attack - there is very little in terms of projecting a superior positive vision to the present.

Bernie, on the other hand, constantly provides people a glimpse into a legitimately better life. You can rail and complain about Trump all day long but unless you project something positive yourself all you’ll end up being as a candidate is a Hillary clone.

Unfortunately, I also think that Bernie’s policies would hit too many people hard in their wallets for him to be palatable to a general electorate. I was really really hoping for a while that Buttigieg would bridge this gap and simultaneously provide a younger, more future-looking vision than Bernie’s age would allow, while providing some hope to marginalized segments of the population that the other white guys don’t exactly inspire. I think Buttigieg has gone down the typical Clintonian politico path, however, and is pretty much done for now.

I actually think Amy has the best chance out of the remaining candidates of winning the general at this point, but she’s going to drop out after Super Tuesday. Bernie can absolutely win but I think he’s going to have to focus on climate change and things like getting dark money out of politics (you know, things that people care about but that won’t cost trillions of dollars), rather than free college or M4A. We will see though! He’s basically the presumptive nominee at this point and nothing that happened on the debate stage last night changed that.
 
Kind of disagree. Trump doesn’t sound particularly profane in comparison to average people, he just sounds like an average person in both intelligence and comportment because that is his intelligence and morality level (and we should strive for more from the president).

What kind of leader goes on stage and calls all criticism against him “bullshit?” He’s a carnival barking clown. He’s the antithesis of a leader. He’s barely literate. The only reason he has credibility among the misinformed is because they can’t see through his tax returns how broke he is. He knows Americans follow equate wealth with winners. The moment this gets revealed his support will crater.
 
how do you know hes broke or illiterate lol

seems equally as literate as biden or reagan to me, and by that i mean theyre all senile old men
Pretty much this. I don’t think it is necessary to play up how bad Trump is as a person to beat him. People already dislike him. Democrats just need to sell their vision to the country as being a better way forward.
 
how do you know hes broke or illiterate lol

seems equally as literate as biden or reagan to me, and by that i mean theyre all senile old men

What’s in them tax returns?

Facts:
He’s under investigation for tax fraud and insurance fraud. His charity was already given the death penalty for fraud. He can’t get any loans from domestic banks.

That’s disrespectful to both Biden and Reagan. Biden has a stuttering problem. Reagan was a great orator in cognitive decline.

Pretty much this. I don’t think it is necessary to play up how bad Trump is as a person to beat him. People already dislike him. Democrats just need to sell their vision to the country as being a better way forward.

That’s a poor strategy. Incumbents have to be attacked to draw contrast. Trump has a long term 52-55% disapproval rating - solid majority. If it’s a referendum on Trump, he will lose. That’s why he wants a choice election of his economy vs. socialism.
 
Idk there's been so many silver bullets the dems have claimed will finally take down Trump. I doubt the tax return thing is gonna be it. I can't really picture a scenario where his followers really care about the contents of his tax returns enough to make his support plummet. Just gotta beat him at the ballot box at this point I'm pretty sure.
 
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