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5th Gen PRNG Help / Info - Latest: RNG Reporter 9.96.5, PPRNG 1.15.0

So, I'm about to RNG a Thundurus and I'm lazy to check dozens of pages. If anyone could just answer this lingering question, it would be appreciated:

When are the IVs generated? Once the lady takes me into her house, or after listening to her story then heading outside?

IV's are generated just as they are with normal captures (at the moment you enter the game from the DS menu), but the rain caused by Thundurus causes the PIDRNG to advance very quickly, so you will prolly end up capturing it multiple times before you get the nature you want.
 
Darkblader:

If your initial frame is higher than your target, you can't hit it. You can't reverse the RNG.
Recalibrate for each cart; if they are the exact same version you can (probably) use the same parameters.
 
IV's are generated just as they are with normal captures (at the moment you enter the game from the DS menu), but the rain caused by Thundurus causes the PIDRNG to advance very quickly, so you will prolly end up capturing it multiple times before you get the nature you want.

Interesting...this is going to be a hassle, but might as well get it over with for Legendary Pokemon in-game.

Then Landorus.
 
Darkblader:

If your initial frame is higher than your target, you can't hit it. You can't reverse the RNG.
Recalibrate for each cart; if they are the exact same version you can (probably) use the same parameters.

I guess I should've clarified I was talking about the frames the guide mentions that are involved in TID/SID abuse, though I'm guessing the same rule applies?

Also, since i'm using a fresh out-of-the-box Black, would I basically have to play through the game until I'm able to catch Pokemon to recalibrate?
 
I guess I should've clarified I was talking about the frames the guide mentions that are involved in TID/SID abuse, though I'm guessing the same rule applies?

Also, since i'm using a fresh out-of-the-box Black, would I basically have to play through the game until I'm able to catch Pokemon to recalibrate?

Parameters are different between Black and White and different languages. You have to calibrate each game unless they are exactly the same :P

Seed Finder in Pandora's only works if you have your exact parameters for your game.
You'd have to get your IVs of a mon at a specific date time; however you achieve that, it is up to you.

When B/W came out we forbid any questions regarding ID abuse because people have to calibrate first.

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Roamers are a huge hassle, prepare to spend a few days on it :S
 
so when breeding, if i rely on using parents with everstone, do i just save in front of the old man with the egg and rng just like how i rng with legends/wild except that my frame is 8[?] And when i rng for DW pokemon to pass on egg moves from parents, does the male pokemon pass the nature while the female the ability?
 
It takes a long time to RNG them. Once you find your approximate starting frame, you can then begin the abuse. It'll be around 600+ (in the rain), or 300+ (in winter months because of snow).

The weather on the route depends on the date. On certain dates, there is no weather on the route naturally, so you only have to put up with the roamer-induced weather. Also, I'm not sure about the approximate starting frames you have... When I RNGed mine, my starting frame was roughly 450 with no natural weather. That is, unless I calculated the starting frame wrong; I hit my seed, and immediately flew to Victory Road, Sweet Scented a Pokémon, and used its nature/encounter slot/ability to determine its frame, which was around 500. Then, I searched backwards from there, and arrived at roughly 450 for the roamer frame. This suggests your snow frame is off, or that something else advanced the frame during my attempts (NPCs?).
 
Is RNG reporter 9.75 not working correctly with Dream World ability breeding? I just spent loads of time getting my parents ready, finding my seed with an acceptable shiny frame, finding my starting PID frame etc. Just hit my shiny frame, and everything is perfect except my Vulpix has Flash Fire, while in RNG reporter under Dream World it reads "True".
 
Do the parent's species effect the outcome of the egg's IVs? For example...I have a flawless spread for my Tynamo, but no matter what seed I use (I have alot), I always get 31/X/X/31/31/31 or 31/31/X/31/X/31.

My parents are a Male Sassy Litwick (31/X/31/31/31/31) and a Female Rash Tynamo (31/X/31/31/31/31). Litwick is holding a Sp.A item and Tynamo is holding an Everstone. My seeds are 31/31/31/X/31/31.
 
Do the parent's species effect the outcome of the egg's IVs? For example...I have a flawless spread for my Tynamo, but no matter what seed I use (I have alot), I always get 31/X/X/31/31/31 or 31/31/X/31/X/31.

My parents are a Male Sassy Litwick (31/X/31/31/31/31) and a Female Rash Tynamo (31/X/31/31/31/31). Litwick is holding a Sp.A item and Tynamo is holding an Everstone. My seeds are 31/31/31/X/31/31.

Power Items mess with the RNG.
 
Is RNG reporter 9.75 not working correctly with Dream World ability breeding? I just spent loads of time getting my parents ready, finding my seed with an acceptable shiny frame, finding my starting PID frame etc. Just hit my shiny frame, and everything is perfect except my Vulpix has Flash Fire, while in RNG reporter under Dream World it reads "True".

What are the parents? Also, are you using a Power item?
 
Parents are a male Timid Watchog holding an Everstone, and my female Drought Vulpix. No Power item.

That's strange then. I managed to RNG a shiny HP fighting 70 drought vulpix earlier. Same parents, too, except my female Vulpix is holding the everstone.

Perhaps it's not reporting dream world abilities correctly in all cases.
 
I remember a guide back in this thread about RNGing Eggs. He/She said that you NEEDED at least one parent with a flawless IV, and to put a power item on that parent for that stat.

What do you suggest I do then?

same, i saw a guide that recommends that you let the other parent hold a power item in order to make it easier for you to get the spread you want.
 
I remember a guide back in this thread about RNGing Eggs. He/She said that you NEEDED at least one parent with a flawless IV, and to put a power item on that parent for that stat.

What do you suggest I do then?

The way that requires the least thought is this:

Search for a frame 8 IV spread with exactly what you want your baby to have. Then, have the parents also have the spread you want.

That way, no matter what inheritance profile you end up with, you'll always get the egg with the right spread.

Edit: In your case, just find the frame 8 spread you want and you could just use those parents and try to hit an inheritance profile where your "X"s aren't inherited.

Or, if you want an easier time finding a frame 8 spread, pick 3 stats, so for example, search for X/X/X/31/31/31 and then find an inheritance frame where the other 3 stats are inherited from the parents. You'll get more hits that way, but it's more intense on the PIDRNG part.
 
The same questions are being asked over and over again about breeding, so I figured I'd type this up to try to help. This is based entirely upon my own experience, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong and I'll edit this post. I'm positive this works, though, as I've been able to get 31/31/31/31/31/31 spreads consistently with no problem. This is not an absolute beginner's guide; I'll assume you're familiar with the bearsfan videos - they do a wonderful job of getting people started. Props, bearsfan! :)

I'm not covering shinies here because I don't understand how they work. If someone wants to explain that to me, I'll be happy to update this guide to reflect it.

RNG ABUSE BREEDING GUIDE
by SaxMeister13

Prerequisites:
RNG Reporter (latest at the time of this writing is 9 beta 6.2)
DS Phat / DS Lite

The better your parents are, the easier this will be. Get them as close to flawless as possible. Note that one parent MUST have at least one 31 stat for this to work at all.

Find your DS's parameters. See the bearsfan video, as it covers this very nicely. You only have to do this once, but if you change DS systems OR game carts, you need to do it again.

Get your parents set up in the daycare. Put an Everstone on one parent to get the right nature, but make sure you put a Power item on one parent that has a flawless IV in that stat. If I have a Ditto that's 2/14/29/31/20/9, I'd put the Power Lens (SpA) on him so that he always passes down that 31.

Breed an egg or two just to make sure you're getting the right nature most of the time and that you're passing down that 31. Also, this is the time to set up egg moves if you want them.

Save the game after you know you have an egg (talk to the wife; she won't let you take your Pokemon out if you have an egg waiting). Stay inside the house - I recommend saving in one of the bottom corners.

Go into the Time Finder in RNG Reporter. You want to look for a "pentaflawless" spread excluding the IV you're getting with the Power Item. In this example, I've got a Power Lens (SpA) on my Ditto, so I'd search for 31/31/31/x/31/31.
* Change the Method to Method 5 (Standard Seed). You can leave Encounter Type on Wild Pokemon.
* Fill in the Month - start with the current month just to make life easier.
* Set Min Frame to 8. This is because we're breeding, and the frame starts on 8. Anything below that will be unusable anyway.
* Hit the "==31" buttons on the five stats you're searching for.
* Hit Generate.
* Grab a coffee.

Hit your seed by starting the game at the time you found in the time finder - but don't forget to subtract a second when you start the game (in most cases; you should know the exact value from finding your DS's parameters). Use the touch screen to hit the start game icon while you're already holding the keys you need to for your seed. Keep the keys held down firmly until the screen with the comet (having your volume turned up helps too).

Advance the IV frame if you need to do so (I'm gonna assume you know how to do this). It's 10 steps from one corner of the house to the other corner. When you've advanced it the right amount, leave the house and mash left and A to get the egg as soon as possible.

Hatch the egg and check its IV's. If the IV's are wrong, you missed your seed or your Timer0 screwed you over. If they're correct, but your nature is wrong, repeat this process, but add a save in before you leave the house. If that still gives you the wrong nature, save twice, and so forth.

(A quick note about Timer0: There's still quite a bit of random chance in whether your Timer0 value is correct, but holding buttons as you start your game appears to increase it. When I search for spreads, I search Timer0 min C7B and max C7C, and only look for C7B values where I don't press a button or C7C values where I do. It's still not a guarantee every time, but it works fairly consistently.)

How does it work?

Inheritance is determined after the original IV's for the baby - in other words, the baby is first randomly created, and then modified to reflect its parents. So the baby is first randomly set to your pentaflawless spread, and then its parent's IV's are "inherited" and overwrite the existing ones. The key to this method is to make sure your parents have enough 31s that most of the time, the IV's that are determined for the parents to inherit are 31s.

This is all well and good, but you're assuming I have good parents in order to get good babies. How do I get the good parents in the first place?

The same way you get other good Pokemon. You can either catch them, breed them, or trade for them. Get your hands on a flawless Ditto and that will immediately solve most of your problems. Catching flawless Pokemon (or pentaflawless, or just really good) is a lot easier than hatching them because you don't have to deal with inheritance, so I'd suggest that.

Even if you don't have nearly-flawless parents, you can follow the same steps to get good spreads. They just won't be perfect. But who wants to settle for that? ;-)


^ is this guide correct? it;s what ive been doing.
 
Yeah I've got a chatot and I'm advancing frames no problem, but I'm doing it blindly because I don't know which frame I'm currently on.

Based on what you said in the last post, I'm RNG'ing in a winter month, so I'm looking at 300+ the first Lonely pokemon there is on frame 313 for that seed. Its PID is 822E5059. That's where I lose you. How do I deduce what the PID%6 given the PID? What's the equation?

Bump for Kaphotics.
 
As others have said previously, the power items seem to disjoint the frames somehow.

Try finding spreads/parents where you don't need power items for flawless inheritance.
 
  • RNG Reporter 9.74 Beta
  • I'm trying to capture a shiny Vanillite with specific IV's using non C-Gear seeds, I'm using Frame 1 mainly because I'm not very good at it.
  • I dont have a specific Frame/Seed, I keep switching because I cant work it properly.
  • I caught Pokemon.
  • I got the IV's the first time, but it was a Herdier (23) which is apparently encounter slot 8 whereas I wanted Vanillite (23) which is 9. Anytime I do encounter Vanillite its the wrong nature/IV's. The shiny frame is Encounter Slot 9, so is it okay is I find Herdier nonshiny?
Also, I was trying to RNG Litwick but couldnt. I was on the floor with the bell to advance the frame without advancing the PIDRNG, but when I walk back into the floor below, does that count as walking in an area where wild Pokemon appear, so does the PIDRNG go up by 2?

I was testing a Quirky, bad IV'd, Encounter Slot 4 frame in Wellspring Cave (1F) and got a shiny Roggenrola on the first try while trying to find where the PIDRNG had started, so I did it again and it worked again. Then I went to Victory Road (1F) to test it and got a shiny Durant, but according to eggmove.com, Encounter Slot 4 is Woobat?

Finally, I was in Victory Road (1F) trying to get a shiny, I forget the seed now though. I got 4 natures that matched up to RNG Reporter's list and that meant I was 29 away from the shiny frame but when I saved 29 times (tried this twice), it was the wrong Pokemon altogether. :/

Oh and another thing I tried with the Litwicks was saving once, noting the nature, then using a Chatot with Chatter once instead of saving and it wasnt the same nature. I thought saving and Chatot both advanced the PIDRNG by 1?

Please help, I'm so confused. :pirate:
 
  • RNG Reporter 9.74 Beta
  • I'm trying to capture a shiny Vanillite with specific IV's using non C-Gear seeds, I'm using Frame 1 mainly because I'm not very good at it.
  • I dont have a specific Frame/Seed, I keep switching because I cant work it properly.
  • I caught Pokemon.
  • I got the IV's the first time, but it was a Herdier (23) which is apparently encounter slot 8 whereas I wanted Vanillite (23) which is 9. Anytime I do encounter Vanillite its the wrong nature/IV's. The shiny frame is Encounter Slot 9, so is it okay is I find Herdier nonshiny?
Also, I was trying to RNG Litwick but couldnt. I was on the floor with the bell to advance the frame without advancing the PIDRNG, but when I walk back into the floor below, does that count as walking in an area where wild Pokemon appear, so does the PIDRNG go up by 2?

I was testing a Quirky, bad IV'd, Encounter Slot 4 frame in Wellspring Cave (1F) and got a shiny Roggenrola on the first try while trying to find where the PIDRNG had started, so I did it again and it worked again. Then I went to Victory Road (1F) to test it and got a shiny Durant, but according to eggmove.com, Encounter Slot 4 is Woobat?

Finally, I was in Victory Road (1F) trying to get a shiny, I forget the seed now though. I got 4 natures that matched up to RNG Reporter's list and that meant I was 29 away from the shiny frame but when I saved 29 times (tried this twice), it was the wrong Pokemon altogether. :/

Oh and another thing I tried with the Litwicks was saving once, noting the nature, then using a Chatot with Chatter once instead of saving and it wasnt the same nature. I thought saving and Chatot both advanced the PIDRNG by 1?

Please help, I'm so confused. :pirate:

the only thing i can recommend is that you get the latest version of rng reporter beta.

edit: iirc, chatter then going to summary then saving advances the PIDRNG by 1. and i recommend abusing litwick on the second floor.
 
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