I have a quick question, I've been reading up on the articles so far and trying to get my head round things. With breeding, i noticed there is a NPC on the same route. How do you control this? as they would advance the frame I'm guessing.
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5th Gen PRNG Help / Info - Latest: RNG Reporter 9.96.5, PPRNG 1.15.0
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I have a quick question, I've been reading up on the articles so far and trying to get my head round things. With breeding, i noticed there is a NPC on the same route. How do you control this? as they would advance the frame I'm guessing.
It's not the resetting that's difficult. It's the predicting seeds part. There are four values that are used in the seed encryption. We know the range of these values for a DS Lite+real cart. But a flashcart gives different values, and there are so many different models of flashcart, each with different values.
Furthermore, these values change if you are using an AR, and we don't know what they change to. So we can't predict seeds if you do.
When the NPCs advance the frame, all they are doing is changing which IVs are passed down from the parent. You should use Power items to overcome this.
Cheers for that, and thanks to you and everyone who contributed to the research :)
I'll have more questions soon....
Wouldn't Emulators have the same problem? People seem to be able to RNG abuse on them.
Bond697
Dies, died, will die.
OD is talking about predicting for non-cgear seeds. the values used in hashing the seed change depending on (along with some other values) a pair of timers in the 04000000 range of memory. the timers are different depending on whether you're using a real cart, a flash cart, an emu, an AR,etc. this is because the changes in hardware(faster, slower, etc) change the timing. see here:
http://nocash.emubase.de/gbatek.htm
for reference. these 2 in particular:
4000006h 2 R VCOUNT Vertical Counter (LY)
4000100h 2 R/W TM0CNT_L Timer 0 Counter/Reload
those 2 timers are... combined to create a special ID that is used in hashing. and due to minute differences in timing based on differing hardware/emulated hardware the IDs will change.
People using emulators have the benefit of using save states. Doing what they do on an actual DS would drive people mad.
And they're not actually predicting seeds. With the emulator they can look directly in the game's memory and find the state of the RNG, so they're in effect cheating to find out what happens next.
There's actually two more that are XOR'd with the MAC address. One's called GxStat, and the second one I call VFrame. I can't find an official name for VFrame, but the Japanese call it Frame so I just call it VFrame in order to not confuse it with RNG frames.
I already can do the non C-Gear seed prediction on an Acekard 2i. We have an AR code that retrieves the values of two of the timers, making it much easier to figure out the value of the other two. This code only works for flashcarts; on real carts the game whitescreens.
I am not looking forward to helping people with different models of flashcart figure out how to upload AR codes so they can find their values.
Have you tried different firmwares on the Acekard? I think those may affect the timings, my seeds changed a while back and I'm curious what caused that to happen.(A problem being that I can't remember if I updated the Firmware or not.)
Also, I'm sure people should be able to figure out how to add AR codes to their devices themselves. All you need for that is Google and a brain.
I had a problem like this too. When I updated my Supercard DStwo's firmware, I couldn't hit my non c-gear seed anymore. >_< I don't really know what's causing it.
Bond697
Dies, died, will die.
they occasionally tweak read speeds with new firmware/patch.dat. also, if your microSD card is on the slower side, it can affect loading times/saving times, and who knows what else. what class is yours? it should be a number on the front of the card.
Seed (target time and delay) then frame.
Ok, the wording in the guide sort of confused me. :p
Start by describing your entire procedure, step by step, so we can see what - if anything - you're doing wrong.
Ok, I check my seed with the code, check my frame, turn the codes off, walk around the house till I hit my frame, go outside and check the nature, if the nature sucks, I go to my save state and try again.
However, since the RNG reporter isn't working for my roamer, (works for random encounters, though!) I've been doing this over and over, recording my frames as I go. I have two Pokemon in my party (after I saved and got my save states set up I was like fffffffffffffff).
Seed: (Hex) 839f6ed0
My recorded frames (didn't record ones under twelve for some reason)
12= 17 5 1 18 20 3
14= 1/20/3/26/18/27
16= 3 18 27 20 26 9
18= 27 26 7 17 20 28
20= 9 20 28 17 17 31 !
22= 28 17 31 20 17 30 !
24= 31 17 30 27 20 13
26= 30 20 13 8 27 29
28= 13 27 29 28 8 25
30= 29 8 25 6 28 12
32= 25 28 12 28 6 14
34= 12 6 14 31 28 11
38= 11 31 16 18 30 2
40= 16 30 2 27 18 5
for an example of what the RNG is giving me, for frame 12 I'm supposed to get 20/27/24/23/15/19.
there's probably something else im missing here
EDIT: my c-gear is on fuck; gonna test with it off right quick
EDITEDIT: the frame check comes back with 624 right off the bat, so I turned the c-gear off and back on and I'm back at frame two, and my seed is 4483a286
according to the RNG i should get this:
10/8/19/21/11/29
or something like that since the roamers ivs are kinda scrambled?
gonna step out and check and edit this post with results
EDIT: I got 3/18/27/20/26/9 (and a hardy nature) on frame two; still doesn't match
EDITTIMESTEN: if this helps, this is my screen atm
However, since the RNG reporter isn't working for my roamer, (works for random encounters, though!) I've been doing this over and over, recording my frames as I go. I have two Pokemon in my party (after I saved and got my save states set up I was like fffffffffffffff).
Seed: (Hex) 839f6ed0
My recorded frames (didn't record ones under twelve for some reason)
12= 17 5 1 18 20 3
14= 1/20/3/26/18/27
16= 3 18 27 20 26 9
18= 27 26 7 17 20 28
20= 9 20 28 17 17 31 !
22= 28 17 31 20 17 30 !
24= 31 17 30 27 20 13
26= 30 20 13 8 27 29
28= 13 27 29 28 8 25
30= 29 8 25 6 28 12
32= 25 28 12 28 6 14
34= 12 6 14 31 28 11
38= 11 31 16 18 30 2
40= 16 30 2 27 18 5
for an example of what the RNG is giving me, for frame 12 I'm supposed to get 20/27/24/23/15/19.
there's probably something else im missing here
EDIT: my c-gear is on fuck; gonna test with it off right quick
EDITEDIT: the frame check comes back with 624 right off the bat, so I turned the c-gear off and back on and I'm back at frame two, and my seed is 4483a286
according to the RNG i should get this:
10/8/19/21/11/29
or something like that since the roamers ivs are kinda scrambled?
gonna step out and check and edit this post with results
EDIT: I got 3/18/27/20/26/9 (and a hardy nature) on frame two; still doesn't match
EDITTIMESTEN: if this helps, this is my screen atm
I assume you're asking for calibration purposes?
If so then there's no need. Just try to hit a seed, catch something to see what you hit and adjust the timer. You should be really close after the first update.