What the fuck are you talking about? I said you were using anecdotal evidence, you said you weren't, I linked you to a definition of anecdotal evidence which proved you were. You can't say 'had the given birth she would have been fine', you don't know that. She could have died in childbirth.
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one single, isolated example doesn't prove anything about a global issue
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Seriously Akuchi, how could you even say that?
I mean, Lexites friend who was an adult and could have said no, defied her parents and moved out and had the baby. But she was forced by her parents.
Wait, what?
Why didn't she just move out if she didn't want to have the operation? I mean, if you're in your 20's and your parents are still controlling your life then I would think that it's probably in your best interests to not have a fucking child because YOU ARE A CHILD.
Also: Lexite, abortion is surgery. Complications happen, abortion is a last measure. Your friend should have practiced safe sex, if she wanted to get pregnant then she should have moved out of her parents house and maybe gotten her life in order first so that her parents could have forced her to have an abortion.
also lol anecdotal evidence.
can someone explain to me how a single cell is "living" but a "clump" of cells is "non-living"
or how cells maintaining homeostasis are "living" but a network or grouping of cells maintaining homeostasis are "non-living"
Unlike the argument that a fetus is not human in a way that differentiates it from the mother, the argument that a fetus is not living is ridiculous - are you really going to argue that living + living = non-living?
I understand the arguments of people who cite pregnant 15 year olds, rape victims, and other situations where having a baby can be a really bad thing for the woman...these are difficult situations, and it is difficult for someone to accept that despite their circumstances, it would be unethical to end the pregnancy...however, the first goal of an ethical system is to elevate individual life over all other considerations; while those circumstances can mitigate the act, it does not make it, in an ethical system that respects individual life, a moral or morally neutral act.
My ethical system is deontologist - I think certain acts are wrong no matter what, and if a fetus is a human life, then abortion is always unethical, and always an initiation of force.
or how cells maintaining homeostasis are "living" but a network or grouping of cells maintaining homeostasis are "non-living"
Unlike the argument that a fetus is not human in a way that differentiates it from the mother, the argument that a fetus is not living is ridiculous - are you really going to argue that living + living = non-living?
I understand the arguments of people who cite pregnant 15 year olds, rape victims, and other situations where having a baby can be a really bad thing for the woman...these are difficult situations, and it is difficult for someone to accept that despite their circumstances, it would be unethical to end the pregnancy...however, the first goal of an ethical system is to elevate individual life over all other considerations; while those circumstances can mitigate the act, it does not make it, in an ethical system that respects individual life, a moral or morally neutral act.
My ethical system is deontologist - I think certain acts are wrong no matter what, and if a fetus is a human life, then abortion is always unethical, and always an initiation of force.
Yes I told you a story but it actually happened. I know what the word means. Last time I checked, eye witness testimony is accepted as evidence in trials. And i backed it up with hard proof, a doctors note was submitted! I saw the doctors note! I read the doctors note and she told me the rest of what happened to her. Can you not read? And are you really going to try that, very few women die from child birth, I am 99% certain that she would have lived through the delivery. And statistically, more women die from abortions then child birth. Dont grasp straws. And since you want me to provide proof since your bias makes you so blind to everything I say, here. http://www.afterabortion.org/PAR/V8/n2/finland.html
Well, briefly put, regarding the whole stage in which the fetus is deemed to be human, should that truly be of concern? I believe that it is the end result that factors into the more important weight here, thus no matter the stage of the fetus, it WILL become a human, without intervention the end result is a living being. Plant a seed, in the right conditions it will grow, its no different here. Too many fortuitous factors come into play to decide who is right and wrong, yada yada yada. However my disposition is this, abortion should not be an alternative to a couple of hard up people that couldnt control themselves, as for time and unforseen occurance, I still believe it is wrong to eradicate the soon to be human, however I cannot advocate the emotional/mental impact a woman has to being raped. The end result however is a life is being taken, taking every variable of life that my insignificant mind can fathom, abortion is wrong, the highest dictaticon(represented in the bible) commands justice upon a woman who takes the life of an unborn, no matter the developmental stage of the fetus.
how fucking unbiased is this:
This is the web's most complete source of information on the aftereffects of abortion and post-abortion healing. We have over 500 links to thousands of printed pages of original research, testimonies, articles, and resources. Most of these are drawn from articles and books published by the Elliot Institute, one of the nation's leading authorities on post-abortion issues.
This is the web's most complete source of information on the aftereffects of abortion and post-abortion healing. We have over 500 links to thousands of printed pages of original research, testimonies, articles, and resources. Most of these are drawn from articles and books published by the Elliot Institute, one of the nation's leading authorities on post-abortion issues.
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seriously you're not even trying at this point
From my lurking at smogon I know that this sentence is usually said to Lexite not by Lexite.
Lexite, that's not the point. She shouldn't have had the abortion in the first place if she didn't want to. She can't blame her parents and she can't blame the doctor. Complications happen during surgery and ideally she shouldn't have gotten pregnant in the first place.
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