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As I said, you NEED max special attack on on CM Mamanbou if you want it to do worthwhile damage to anything. Even super effective targets wouldn't care about +1 Boiling Water if you don't invest in any SpA.

Bold
40 HP/176 Def/252 SpA/40 SpD

^That's the best spread
Why? If you boost your SpA enough you'll hurt them eventually. That's what Calm Mind do. I don't "NEED" anything.
 
As I said, you NEED max special attack on on CM Mamanbou if you want it to do worthwhile damage to anything. Even super effective targets wouldn't care about +1 Boiling Water if you don't invest in any SpA.

Bold
40 HP/176 Def/252 SpA/40 SpD

^That's the best spread

You're suddenly all-knowing regarding best sets?
 
You may be boosting your special attack, but you still hit for PATHETIC damage with no EVs:

0 SpA +1 Boiling Water vs. 252 HP/252 SpD Calm Flareon: 25.7% - 31.1% (not even a 2HKO after SR damage)

0 SpA +1 Boiling Water vs. 0 HP/0 SpD Naive Magmortar: 51.5% - 60.5%

There is certainly something wrong when FIRE types can take a boosted hit from Water types. You guys are underestimating how utterly atrocious base 40 Special Attack actually is.

Oh, and just for fun:

0 SpA +6 Boiling Water vs. 252 HP/252 SpD Calm Heatran: 61.1% - 72% (LMAO)
 
You may be boosting your special attack, but you still hit for PATHETIC damage with no EVs:

0 SpA +1 Boiling Water vs. 252 HP/252 SpD Calm Flareon: 25.7% - 31.1% (not even a 2HKO after SR damage)

0 SpA +1 Boiling Water vs. 0 HP/0 SpD Naive Magmortar: 51.5% - 60.5%

There is certainly something wrong when FIRE types can handle Mamanbou. You guys are underestimating how utterly atrocious base 40 Special Attack actually is.

You do realize those Pokemon are set up fodder, right? That's the problem I have with your philosophy of EV distribution- Mamanbou is meant to be a defensive Pokemon. It will have the bulk to set up multiple Calm Minds, so investing in Special Attack is relatively pointless when you're trying to hit Pokemon that can't do shit to you.
 
The reason I showed how little Mamanbou did to those Fire types was to explain how utterly weak it is. Obviously, those Fire types wouldn't be stupid enough to switch in, but Mamanbou, even when boosting its special attack, is set up fodder for basically every sweeper out there.

Investing in Special Attack is absolutely detrimental to letting Mamanbou do reasonable damage to these Pokemon who would otherwise set up on it. By maxing out special attack and switching to Surf as your attacking option, you nearly double your damage output which is HUGE.
 
I'll use a moderate example. I'll use Scyhter with Evolution Stone for the calcs.

Attakcing calcs:

0 SpA +1 Bold Ice Beam vs. 4/0 Jolly Scyther with Evolution Stone: 29.2% - 34.9%
0 SpA +1 Bold Ice Beam vs. 248/0 Jolly Scyther with Evolution Stone: 23.9% - 28.6%

Holy shit, that's weak. Scyther can just stay in and go up to +6 if it wants to (while easily Roosting off
damage). Let's see how much it does on return assuming, again, Evolution Stone (so no LO)
and +6:



Defense calcs:

252 Atk +6 Jolly Scyther vs. 252/252 Bold Mamanbou using Technician Aerial Ace: 81.1% - 95.7%
0 Atk +6 Jolly Scyther vs. 252/252 Bold Mamanbou using Technician Aerial Ace: 65.2% - 77%

It's very likely Scyther wins the set up battle against Mamanbou.




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Now, let's see a Mamanbou that invests on SpA (EVs by Super Mario Bro):

Attack calcs:

252 SpA +1 Bold Ice Beam vs. 4/0 Scyther with Evolution Stone: 44.1% - 52.7%
252 SpA +1 Bold Ice Beam vs. 4/0 Scyther with Evolution Stone: 36.2% - 43.1%

Oooff. MUCH BETTER. Now Scyhther needs to play wise if it wants to set Swords Dance up.

If it does go up to +6, let's see (again, Super Mario Bro EVs. If you don't know, it's
40 HP/176 Def/252 SpA/40 SpD):



Defense calcs:

252 Atk +6 Jolly Scyther vs 40/176 Bold Mamanbou using Technician Aerial Ace: 96.9% - 114.3%
0 Atk +6 Jolly Scyther vs 40/176 Bold Mamanbou using Technician Aerial Ace: 78% - 91.9%


Just to remember: the calcs are just for some reference. I used the best example possible IMO so i could have the strongest attack possible (in that case, a SE Ice Beam) on the most plausuble case-scenario (also IMO).


I'll leave the calcs at that; i, personally, would just slap 252 EVs on SpA.
 
Well, the stats looks kinda good with those spreads, BUT, will it survive any Thunderbolts or Leaf Storms with that low SpD and no boosts?
 
Alright, I made a setup for this beast. It seems like Mamanbou is underrated around here... However, I'll explain why this pokemon is your best counter against physical attackers.
Mamanbou
HP 252/Defense 164/Special Defense 92

Spread really doesn't matter, but it's important to get at least HP EVs over 200.

Ability: Regeneration

Substitute/Submersion/Wish/Toxic

First of all, switch into a physical attacking pokemon (e.g. Metagross).
Second, make a substitute as soon as you switch in.
Third, use Submersion. This makes your opponent's typing into pure Water, messing up (most) physical attackers. This could eliminate STAB attacks. If the target has a Water typing, I suggest just skipping this part.
Now, finally, use Toxic. This could mess up a TON of pokemon if you manage to pull this off. Your opponent, for the most part, won't know what's coming until you pull it off. Submersion will make it so the target will definitely be poisoned. Imagine a Metagross being badly poisoned!
You can stall pretty hard, and if you're still in your substitute you can annoy the hell out of your opponent.
On paper, it seems horrible. You might think it's impossible. But trust me, people really think Mamanbou is a pushover or might underrate it's ability to ToxicStall.
If you get taunted, you can always use Regeneration to gain some fast HP.
Also, in this set, beware of Empoleon, your #1 counter. It's pretty deadly since you can't Submerge it, and you can't Toxic it. Grass Knot is a one hit KO.
 
I personally think it is futile to invest in SpA, but that's just me.

Oh, and...

Battle between Observer1 and Groshi started!

Tier: Dream World
Rule: Unrated
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Freeze Clause
Rule: Species Clause

Groshi sent out Mesprit!
Observer1 sent out Swellow!

Start of turn 1
Mesprit used Trick!
Mesprit switched items with the foe's Swellow!
Mesprit obtained one Flame Orb!
The foe's Swellow obtained one Choice Scarf!

The foe's Swellow used U-turn!
It's super effective!
Mesprit lost 120 HP! (39% of its health)
Observer1 called Swellow back!
Observer1 sent out Skarmory!

Mesprit's Flame Orb activated!
Mesprit was burned!

Start of turn 2
Mesprit used Thunderbolt!
It's super effective!
The foe's Skarmory lost 55% of its health!

The foe's Skarmory used Stealth Rock!
Pointed stones float in the air around Groshi's team!

Mesprit is hurt by its burn!
The foe's Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 3
Mesprit used Thunderbolt!
It's super effective!
The foe's Skarmory lost 50% of its health!
The foe's Skarmory fainted!

Mesprit is hurt by its burn!
Observer1 sent out Espeon!

Start of turn 4
The foe's Espeon used Calm Mind!
The foe's Espeon's Sp. Att. rose!
The foe's Espeon's Sp. Def. rose!

Mesprit used Trick!
Mesprit switched items with the foe's Espeon!
Mesprit obtained one Leftovers!
The foe's Espeon obtained one Flame Orb!

The foe's Espeon's Flame Orb activated!
The foe's Espeon was burned!
Mesprit restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mesprit is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 5
The foe's Espeon used Calm Mind!
The foe's Espeon's Sp. Att. rose!
The foe's Espeon's Sp. Def. rose!

Mesprit used Thunderbolt!
The foe's Espeon lost 17% of its health!

The foe's Espeon is hurt by its burn!
Mesprit restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mesprit is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 6
The foe's Espeon used Calm Mind!
The foe's Espeon's Sp. Att. rose!
The foe's Espeon's Sp. Def. rose!

Mesprit used Thunder Wave!
Mesprit's Thunder Wave was bounced back by Magic Mirror!
But it failed!

The foe's Espeon is hurt by its burn!
Mesprit restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mesprit is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 7
The foe's Espeon used Calm Mind!
The foe's Espeon's Sp. Att. rose!
The foe's Espeon's Sp. Def. rose!

Mesprit used Thunderbolt!
The foe's Espeon lost 11% of its health!

The foe's Espeon is hurt by its burn!
Mesprit restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mesprit is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 8
The foe's Espeon used Shadow Ball!
It's super effective!
Mesprit lost 31 HP! (10% of its health)
Mesprit fainted!

The foe's Espeon is hurt by its burn!
Groshi sent out Kyuremu!
Pointed stones dug into Kyuremu!

Kyuremu is exerting its Pressure!

Start of turn 9
Kyuremu used Outrage!
The foe's Espeon lost 22% of its health!
The foe's Espeon fainted!

Observer1 sent out Starmie!

Start of turn 10
The foe's Starmie used Surf!
It's not very effective...
Kyuremu lost 82 HP! (20% of its health)

Kyuremu used Outrage!
The foe's Starmie lost 85% of its health!

Start of turn 11
The foe's Starmie used Surf!
It's not very effective...
Kyuremu lost 79 HP! (20% of its health)

Kyuremu used Outrage!
The foe's Starmie lost 14% of its health!
The foe's Starmie fainted!

Kyuremu calmed down!
Kyuremu became confused!
Observer1 sent out Breloom!

Start of turn 12
Kyuremu is confused!
It hurt itself in its confusion!
Kyuremu lost 57 HP! (14% of its health)

The foe's Breloom used Swords Dance!
The foe's Breloom's Attack sharply rose!

Start of turn 13
The foe's Breloom used Mach Punch!
The foe's Breloom's Fight Jewel raised Mach Punch's power!
It's super effective!
Kyuremu lost 76 HP! (19% of its health)
Kyuremu fainted!

Groshi sent out Birijion!
Pointed stones dug into Birijion!

Start of turn 14
The foe's Breloom used Mach Punch!
Birijion lost 321 HP! (83% of its health)

Birijion used Holy Sword!
The foe's Breloom lost 60% of its health!

Start of turn 15
The foe's Breloom used Mach Punch!
Birijion lost 2 HP! (0% of its health)
Birijion fainted!

Groshi sent out Mamanbou!
Pointed stones dug into Mamanbou!

Start of turn 16
Mamanbou used Protect!
Mamanbou protected itself!

The foe's Breloom used Bullet Seed!
Mamanbou protected itself!

Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 17
Groshi called Mamanbou back!
Groshi sent out Doredia!
Pointed stones dug into Doredia!

The foe's Breloom used Bullet Seed!
It's not very effective...
Doredia lost 74 HP! (21% of its health)
Doredia lost 63 HP! (18% of its health)
Doredia lost 74 HP! (21% of its health)
Doredia lost 68 HP! (19% of its health)
Hit 4 times!

Start of turn 18
The foe's Breloom used Mach Punch!
A critical hit!
Doredia lost 22 HP! (6% of its health)
Doredia fainted!

Groshi sent out Shibirudon!
Pointed stones dug into Shibirudon!

Start of turn 19
The foe's Breloom used Mach Punch!
Shibirudon lost 295 HP! (78% of its health)

Shibirudon used Flamethrower!
It's super effective!
The foe's Breloom lost 39% of its health!
The foe's Breloom fainted!

Shibirudon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Observer1 sent out Swellow!

Start of turn 20
The foe's Swellow used U-turn!
Shibirudon lost 56 HP! (14% of its health)
Shibirudon fainted!
Observer1 called Swellow back!
Observer1 sent out Ninetales!

The foe's Ninetales's Drought intensified the sun's rays!

The sunlight is strong!
Groshi sent out Mamanbou!
Pointed stones dug into Mamanbou!

Start of turn 21
The foe's Ninetales used SolarBeam!
It's super effective!
Mamanbou lost 172 HP! (32% of its health)

Mamanbou used Wish!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 22
The foe's Ninetales used Hypnosis!
The attack of the foe's Ninetales missed!

Mamanbou hid underwater!

Mamanbou's wish came true!
The sunlight is strong!

Start of turn 23
The foe's Ninetales used Hypnosis!
The attack of the foe's Ninetales missed!

Mamanbou used Dive!
It's super effective!
The foe's Ninetales lost 18% of its health!

The sunlight is strong!

Start of turn 24
Mamanbou used Protect!
Mamanbou protected itself!

The foe's Ninetales used Hypnosis!
The attack of the foe's Ninetales missed!

The sunlight is strong!

Start of turn 25
The foe's Ninetales used Hypnosis!
Mamanbou fell asleep!

Mamanbou is fast asleep!

The sunlight is strong!

Start of turn 26
The foe's Ninetales used SolarBeam!
It's super effective!
Mamanbou lost 186 HP! (34% of its health)

Mamanbou woke up!
Mamanbou used Wish!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 27
Mamanbou used Protect!
Mamanbou protected itself!

The foe's Ninetales used Hypnosis!
The attack of the foe's Ninetales missed!

Mamanbou's wish came true!
The sunlight is strong!

Start of turn 28
The foe's Ninetales used Hypnosis!
Mamanbou fell asleep!

Mamanbou is fast asleep!

The sunlight is strong!

Start of turn 29
The foe's Ninetales used SolarBeam!
It's super effective!
Mamanbou lost 194 HP! (36% of its health)

Mamanbou is fast asleep!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 30
The foe's Ninetales used SolarBeam!
It's super effective!
Mamanbou lost 170 HP! (31% of its health)

Mamanbou woke up!
Mamanbou used Wish!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 31
The foe's Ninetales used SolarBeam!
It's super effective!
Mamanbou lost 182 HP! (34% of its health)

Mamanbou used Substitute!
Mamanbou hasn't enough energy left!

Mamanbou's wish came true!
The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 32
The foe's Ninetales used Hypnosis!
The attack of the foe's Ninetales missed!

Mamanbou used Wish!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 33
The foe's Ninetales used Hypnosis!
The attack of the foe's Ninetales missed!

Mamanbou used Substitute!
Mamanbou made a substitute!

Mamanbou's wish came true!
The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 34
Mamanbou used Protect!
Mamanbou protected itself!

The foe's Ninetales used SolarBeam!
Mamanbou protected itself!

The sunlight is strong!

Start of turn 35
The foe's Ninetales used SolarBeam!
It's super effective!
Mamanbou's substitute faded!

Mamanbou hid underwater!

The sunlight is strong!

Start of turn 36
The foe's Ninetales used Will-O-Wisp!
The attack of the foe's Ninetales missed!

Mamanbou used Dive!
It's super effective!
The foe's Ninetales lost 19% of its health!

The sunlight is strong!

Start of turn 37
The foe's Ninetales used Will-O-Wisp!
Mamanbou was burned!

Mamanbou used Substitute!
Mamanbou made a substitute!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 38
The foe's Ninetales used SolarBeam!
It's super effective!
Mamanbou's substitute faded!

Mamanbou used Wish!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 39
The foe's Ninetales used SolarBeam!
It's super effective!
Mamanbou lost 188 HP! (35% of its health)

Mamanbou hid underwater!

Mamanbou's wish came true!
The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 40
The foe's Ninetales used SolarBeam!
The attack of the foe's Ninetales missed!

Mamanbou used Dive!
It's super effective!
The foe's Ninetales lost 10% of its health!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 41
The foe's Ninetales used SolarBeam!
It's super effective!
Mamanbou lost 174 HP! (32% of its health)

Mamanbou used Wish!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 42
Mamanbou used Protect!
Mamanbou protected itself!

The foe's Ninetales used SolarBeam!
Mamanbou protected itself!

Mamanbou's wish came true!
The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 43
The foe's Ninetales used SolarBeam!
It's super effective!
Mamanbou lost 188 HP! (35% of its health)

Mamanbou used Wish!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 44
Mamanbou used Protect!
Mamanbou protected itself!

The foe's Ninetales used SolarBeam!
Mamanbou protected itself!

Mamanbou's wish came true!
The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 45
Observer1 called Ninetales back!
Observer1 sent out Swellow!

Mamanbou used Wish!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 46
The foe's Swellow used Facade!
Mamanbou lost 121 HP! (22% of its health)

Mamanbou used Substitute!
Mamanbou made a substitute!

Mamanbou's wish came true!
The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 47
The foe's Swellow used Facade!
Mamanbou's substitute took the damage!

Mamanbou used Wish!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 48
The foe's Swellow used Facade!
Mamanbou's substitute faded!

Mamanbou hid underwater!

Mamanbou's wish came true!
The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 49
The foe's Swellow used Facade!
The attack of the foe's Swellow missed!

Mamanbou used Dive!
The foe's Swellow lost 8% of its health!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 50
The foe's Swellow used Facade!
Mamanbou lost 114 HP! (21% of its health)

Mamanbou used Substitute!
Mamanbou made a substitute!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 51
The foe's Swellow used Facade!
Mamanbou's substitute took the damage!

Mamanbou used Wish!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 52
The foe's Swellow used Facade!
Mamanbou's substitute faded!

Mamanbou hid underwater!

Mamanbou's wish came true!
The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 53
The foe's Swellow used Facade!
The attack of the foe's Swellow missed!

Mamanbou used Dive!
The foe's Swellow lost 8% of its health!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 54
The foe's Swellow used Facade!
Mamanbou lost 118 HP! (22% of its health)

Mamanbou used Substitute!
Mamanbou made a substitute!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 55
The foe's Swellow used Facade!
Mamanbou's substitute took the damage!

Mamanbou used Wish!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 56
The foe's Swellow used Facade!
Mamanbou's substitute faded!

Mamanbou hid underwater!

Mamanbou's wish came true!
The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 57
The foe's Swellow used Facade!
The attack of the foe's Swellow missed!

Mamanbou used Dive!
The foe's Swellow lost 7% of its health!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 58
The foe's Swellow used Facade!
Mamanbou lost 115 HP! (21% of its health)

Mamanbou used Wish!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 59
Mamanbou used Protect!
Mamanbou protected itself!

The foe's Swellow used Facade!
Mamanbou protected itself!

Mamanbou's wish came true!
The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 60
The foe's Swellow used Facade!
Mamanbou lost 112 HP! (20% of its health)

Mamanbou used Wish!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 61
Mamanbou used Protect!
Mamanbou protected itself!

The foe's Swellow used Facade!
Mamanbou protected itself!

Mamanbou's wish came true!
The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 62
The foe's Swellow used Facade!
Mamanbou lost 105 HP! (19% of its health)

Mamanbou used Substitute!
Mamanbou made a substitute!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 20
The foe's Swellow used U-turn!
Shibirudon lost 56 HP! (14% of its health)
Shibirudon fainted!
Observer1 called Swellow back!
Observer1 sent out Ninetales!

The foe's Ninetales's Drought intensified the sun's rays!

The sunlight is strong!
Groshi sent out Mamanbou!
Pointed stones dug into Mamanbou!

Start of turn 21
The foe's Ninetales used SolarBeam!
It's super effective!
Mamanbou lost 172 HP! (32% of its health)

Mamanbou used Wish!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 22
The foe's Ninetales used Hypnosis!
The attack of the foe's Ninetales missed!

Mamanbou hid underwater!

Mamanbou's wish came true!
The sunlight is strong!

Start of turn 23
The foe's Ninetales used Hypnosis!
The attack of the foe's Ninetales missed!

Mamanbou used Dive!
It's super effective!
The foe's Ninetales lost 18% of its health!

The sunlight is strong!

Start of turn 24
Mamanbou used Protect!
Mamanbou protected itself!

The foe's Ninetales used Hypnosis!
The attack of the foe's Ninetales missed!

The sunlight is strong!

Start of turn 25
The foe's Ninetales used Hypnosis!
Mamanbou fell asleep!

Mamanbou is fast asleep!

The sunlight is strong!

Start of turn 26
The foe's Ninetales used SolarBeam!
It's super effective!
Mamanbou lost 186 HP! (34% of its health)

Mamanbou woke up!
Mamanbou used Wish!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 27
Mamanbou used Protect!
Mamanbou protected itself!

The foe's Ninetales used Hypnosis!
The attack of the foe's Ninetales missed!

Mamanbou's wish came true!
The sunlight is strong!

Start of turn 28
The foe's Ninetales used Hypnosis!
Mamanbou fell asleep!

Mamanbou is fast asleep!

The sunlight is strong!

Start of turn 29
The foe's Ninetales used SolarBeam!
It's super effective!
Mamanbou lost 194 HP! (36% of its health)

Mamanbou is fast asleep!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 30
The foe's Ninetales used SolarBeam!
It's super effective!
Mamanbou lost 170 HP! (31% of its health)

Mamanbou woke up!
Mamanbou used Wish!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 31
The foe's Ninetales used SolarBeam!
It's super effective!
Mamanbou lost 182 HP! (34% of its health)

Mamanbou used Substitute!
Mamanbou hasn't enough energy left!

Mamanbou's wish came true!
The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 32
The foe's Ninetales used Hypnosis!
The attack of the foe's Ninetales missed!

Mamanbou used Wish!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 33
The foe's Ninetales used Hypnosis!
The attack of the foe's Ninetales missed!

Mamanbou used Substitute!
Mamanbou made a substitute!

Mamanbou's wish came true!
The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 34
Mamanbou used Protect!
Mamanbou protected itself!

The foe's Ninetales used SolarBeam!
Mamanbou protected itself!

The sunlight is strong!

Start of turn 35
The foe's Ninetales used SolarBeam!
It's super effective!
Mamanbou's substitute faded!

Mamanbou hid underwater!

The sunlight is strong!

Start of turn 36
The foe's Ninetales used Will-O-Wisp!
The attack of the foe's Ninetales missed!

Mamanbou used Dive!
It's super effective!
The foe's Ninetales lost 19% of its health!

The sunlight is strong!

Start of turn 37
The foe's Ninetales used Will-O-Wisp!
Mamanbou was burned!

Mamanbou used Substitute!
Mamanbou made a substitute!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 38
The foe's Ninetales used SolarBeam!
It's super effective!
Mamanbou's substitute faded!

Mamanbou used Wish!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 39
The foe's Ninetales used SolarBeam!
It's super effective!
Mamanbou lost 188 HP! (35% of its health)

Mamanbou hid underwater!

Mamanbou's wish came true!
The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 40
The foe's Ninetales used SolarBeam!
The attack of the foe's Ninetales missed!

Mamanbou used Dive!
It's super effective!
The foe's Ninetales lost 10% of its health!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 41
The foe's Ninetales used SolarBeam!
It's super effective!
Mamanbou lost 174 HP! (32% of its health)

Mamanbou used Wish!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 42
Mamanbou used Protect!
Mamanbou protected itself!

The foe's Ninetales used SolarBeam!
Mamanbou protected itself!

Mamanbou's wish came true!
The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 43
The foe's Ninetales used SolarBeam!
It's super effective!
Mamanbou lost 188 HP! (35% of its health)

Mamanbou used Wish!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 44
Mamanbou used Protect!
Mamanbou protected itself!

The foe's Ninetales used SolarBeam!
Mamanbou protected itself!

Mamanbou's wish came true!
The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 45
Observer1 called Ninetales back!
Observer1 sent out Swellow!

Mamanbou used Wish!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 46
The foe's Swellow used Facade!
Mamanbou lost 121 HP! (22% of its health)

Mamanbou used Substitute!
Mamanbou made a substitute!

Mamanbou's wish came true!
The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 47
The foe's Swellow used Facade!
Mamanbou's substitute took the damage!

Mamanbou used Wish!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 48
The foe's Swellow used Facade!
Mamanbou's substitute faded!

Mamanbou hid underwater!

Mamanbou's wish came true!
The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 49
The foe's Swellow used Facade!
The attack of the foe's Swellow missed!

Mamanbou used Dive!
The foe's Swellow lost 8% of its health!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 50
The foe's Swellow used Facade!
Mamanbou lost 114 HP! (21% of its health)

Mamanbou used Substitute!
Mamanbou made a substitute!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 51
The foe's Swellow used Facade!
Mamanbou's substitute took the damage!

Mamanbou used Wish!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 52
The foe's Swellow used Facade!
Mamanbou's substitute faded!

Mamanbou hid underwater!

Mamanbou's wish came true!
The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 53
The foe's Swellow used Facade!
The attack of the foe's Swellow missed!

Mamanbou used Dive!
The foe's Swellow lost 8% of its health!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 54
The foe's Swellow used Facade!
Mamanbou lost 118 HP! (22% of its health)

Mamanbou used Substitute!
Mamanbou made a substitute!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 55
The foe's Swellow used Facade!
Mamanbou's substitute took the damage!

Mamanbou used Wish!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 56
The foe's Swellow used Facade!
Mamanbou's substitute faded!

Mamanbou hid underwater!

Mamanbou's wish came true!
The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 57
The foe's Swellow used Facade!
The attack of the foe's Swellow missed!

Mamanbou used Dive!
The foe's Swellow lost 7% of its health!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 58
The foe's Swellow used Facade!
Mamanbou lost 115 HP! (21% of its health)

Mamanbou used Wish!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 59
Mamanbou used Protect!
Mamanbou protected itself!

The foe's Swellow used Facade!
Mamanbou protected itself!

Mamanbou's wish came true!
The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 60
The foe's Swellow used Facade!
Mamanbou lost 112 HP! (20% of its health)

Mamanbou used Wish!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 61
Mamanbou used Protect!
Mamanbou protected itself!

The foe's Swellow used Facade!
Mamanbou protected itself!

Mamanbou's wish came true!
The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 62
The foe's Swellow used Facade!
Mamanbou lost 105 HP! (19% of its health)

Mamanbou used Substitute!
Mamanbou made a substitute!

The sunlight is strong!
Mamanbou restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Mamanbou is hurt by its burn!

Too bad my opponent rage quitted. If I had Toxic instead of Dive I would of won quickly.
 
Even if you invest a lot in Spl Def, you are not going to take too many Special hits. Most Spl attacks from sweepers would be a 3HKO unless you have CM, or play carefully with Wish+Protect+Substitute. This thing also runs the risk of being maimed by Taunt.
 
Even if you invest a lot in Spl Def, you are not going to take too many Special hits. Most Spl attacks from sweepers would be a 3HKO unless you have CM, or play carefully with Wish+Protect+Substitute. This thing also runs the risk of being maimed by Taunt.

Look at how my Mamanbou took Ninetales' Solarbeams. It's in the previous post's battle log.

3HKO is OK; Blissey gets 3HKOed by most physical non-fighting moves as well. Does that hinder it's walling abilities? Not too much.

Every wall is running the risk of being maimed by Taunt. You can add Waterfall to that average attack stat if you want.
 
Still don't see this thing passing vaporeon anytime soon. Regenration is about its best advantage as a bulky water, and a slightly better wish, but still both have insane HP, just vaporeon can't get set up on, due to either roar or acctually decent SpA. Its a sad sad day, when your main stab option can't break gengar's substitute (seriously, this thing needed its Att & SpA switched)
 
beware of Empoleon, your #1 counter. It's pretty deadly since you can't Submerge it
Has it been tested that submerge won't affect dual water types? I for one would love to make some strategic use of Azumarill with submerge against Burungeru...

In relation to Mamanbou, I'd just like to mention that with 108Hp EVs, he passes wishes that heal 244 HP. That will fully heal a maxed out Shuckle for (a weird, situational) example, and will heal ~85% of the standard choice scarf Magnezone's HP.

Take outrage with magnezone and kill the dragon, then wish pass him the health he lost and he can take more necessary hits. Assuming event moves are finally acted upon (as Blissey's potential 307 HP wishes seem broken to me), Mamanbou could be the healthiest wish passer in existence.

That is critical! Even Vaporeon can't heal that insanely well. Not only that, but due to regeneration, Mamanbou can afford to skip out on receiving her own wishes to heal her and doesn't have any need to run protect. Mamanbou is the greatest thing to team support since sliced bread was discovered to heal all status conditions.
 
Has it been tested that submerge won't affect dual water types? I for one would love to make some strategic use of Azumarill with submerge against Burungeru...

Yeah I tested it on Dual Water types. Doesn't work. But you're set unless you're facing Tentacruel, Empoleon, or a Subset user.
Actually, it does have a lot of counters, but an unprepared team will feel its full blast.
 
This is the "Piss you off to tears" set
252 Def/252 Hp/6 Atk
Hydration
Aqua Ring
Return/Toxic/Boiling Water
Protect/Toxic/Boiling Water
Waterfall/Aqua Jet/Toxic
 
How much would mamanbos 0 attack waterfall do to doryuzu and how much would a +2 252 atk earthquake do to mamanbo?

0 Attack Careful Mamanbou Waterfall vs a Standard Doryuuzu = 57.1% - 68.1%

+2 252 Attack Jolly Balloon Doryuzuu Earthquake vs 252 HP / 252 SpD Careful Mamanbou = 62.9% - 74.2%

Obviously they're not going to KO each other on the first try. Assuming the right conditions, a Doryuuzu that has taken some prior damage might be KO'd by a Mamanbou Waterfall. Assuming Doryuzuu even gets a Swords Dance off, Mamanbou almost always beats it if its at full health and Doryuzuu has set up once against a previous Waterfall or prior damage. If Doryuzuu has a Swords Dance up and both it and Mamanbou is at full heath, Doryuzuu wins.
 
Hmmm, so I was checking this guy out as potential doubles support and realized it's amazing.

Mamabou
Healing Heart
Careful 252 HP, 252 SD, 4DF
Leftovers

Heal Beam
Wish
Protect
Wide Guard / Aqua Jet / Boiling Water / Helping Hand

Basically the team cleric. Heal Beam to heal your partners, Wish to heal yourself or switch ins, Protect to stall a turn waiting for Wish or to save yourself from getting gang-banged (lol you know as soon as you start using Heal Beam that your opponent is going aim both their pokemon at Mama). Wide Guard (if I understand it's use correctly) protects your partner from Earthquake (I was planning to run this with Shibirudon, just to negate Onono's Mold Breaker EQ) and other multi-target moves. Helping Hand is probably your second best bet, just because it gives Mama a way to deal a good amount of damage to your opponent without investing in its own attack. Aqua Jet is priority STAB and Mama has better attack than Special, but Boiling Water is an option just for random burns. EVs are to even out her defenses, as it is more important to be a mixed wall in doubles than a specialized one.

This set looks like it would be awesome with Bulky Set-Up sweepers. I was thinking about running Zuruzukin with it and since Mama has Healing Heart, I could actually run Overconfidence on Zuru instead of Shed Skin. With Rain Support, you're better off with the HydraRest combo and maybe keeping a Aromatherapy/Heal Bell pokemon in reserves.
 
Don't bother attacking IMO. Mirror coat is amazing.

I'm testing a MC, wish, protect, toxic set right now. Great so far...
 
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