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NOC Amnesiac Mafia Game 1 - N2

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Yo people we're not making progress here. Let's sum it up

For massclaim of targets, and some results:
UncleSam
Walrein
Aska

Against mass claim:
Blazade
Jumpluff

Not weighed in afaik:
Yeti
Ditto
Flyhn

Probs silenced:
rssp1

Those who haven't put an opinion on claiming out there should do that so we can decide what we're doing and commit to it. I still think it's a bad idea and explained why but I'd rather not get stuck on this.
 
I'd prefer if we did out roles now that i've had time to look over the possibilities. Still paranoid about the slim chance i'm maf and being pro-gamesolving would be screwing myself over lol
 
UncleSam said:
ugh Aska while I agree with you that it seems like a logic puzzle game the problem is that we have to make sure there's enough people who agree with that perspective that we can force everyone to play that way and not let the mafia hide among paranoid villagers. You shouldn't just claim target+result without making sure that we can get everyone to do so or else risk getting lynched.

I'd like to call it for a vote: what do people think everyone ought to claim? Choices are:
Option 1: Claim all targets and results, bar none. Pros of this include that it'll be really, really hard for the mafia to fake claim and the two who don't know they are mafia probably will get caught quickly. Cons will be that the mafia will know all of our roles potentially even before we do, which could be quite bad.
Option 2: Claim only targets and results which indicate someone is mafia. Pros of this include getting good drops on who most roles are and still give us a fair bit of things to hold people to, without publicly revealing as much information or giving away nearly as many villagers. Cons involve Leaving more room for the mafia to skate by and leave some people in the dark
Option 3: Claim nothing except results which indicate someone else is mafia. Honestly I'm not even sure what the pros of this are except that maybe the mafia have a bit less information to work with, I'd like the people who have supported this idea (Blazade jumpluff) to justify it tbh because I don't see any real benefits to it

I vote for option 2 personally. I think that we should all vote on one of these three options and then, if we can get 5 or 6 people to vote for one of the non-option 3 options, we force the dissenters to go with the supermajority at risk of getting lynched.

If there's other good options bring those up as well.

I also think that most public calculation posts like Ditto's above are generally more harmful than helpful
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option 2

Ditto's post looked like he thought he was the silencer frankly. ?Overly interested in the obvious

I didn't support option 3, I said no mass claiming. I am concerned about the don solving and finding mafia in such a swingy setup. This is not c5 despite the logical resemblances, it is too chaotic.
 
I believe we can scum hunt as well today and no lunch if nothing good comes up is fine, and d2 lynch is very viable, reason being d2 results qualitatively different to d1

On,y problem is the kills swing votes

I'd ask people to be mindful of vigging too,
 
for the record blazade (and everyone else i guess) i'm not supporting a massclaim, i'm just supporting the claiming of targets/results which would indicate that someone is mafia

like pluff, however, i will claim my shit if all the cool kids are doin' it
 
What info do you guys think is still out there for option 2? We will be notified of failed actions (hooked or blocked) and Psychiatrist. If someone comes out and says that they've been cleaned (assuming they are even Village), don't you think that would be the Don's first target? You'd be putting that guy on a chopping block. If someone claims that their action failed and who they targeted, that could alert those who are the hooker or omniguard.

If we choose Option 2, then I don't realistically think there's much more to go on for the day. If we really want more information, then it seems we have to claim all targets. Maybe I'm missing something that you all see, but I don't see what you guys keep referring to for option 2.

jumpluff said:
Ditto's post looked like he thought he was the silencer frankly. ?Overly interested in the obvious
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Interesting that you'd say that, because that's the one role I know I'm not. Well that and the Don.
 
I think what we should say now, as a little tidbit, is if anyone idled. I didn't. I will say that I used whatever action I may have right now, and I'd be fine sharing who my target was if we agree on that.
 
Claiming targets even without results is still dangerous IMO and I've been speaking as if this is massclaim, mostly because I can't really see a scenario where that happens and we don't end up taking about results anyway. It'd start with hooker-OG-(mayor?) feuled 50-50s and get worse from there, especially since there'd be no reason not to attempt to fully solve the game by outing the psych.

After sitting here and thinking for another 3 minutes the only way I can see us realistically getting a slam dunk out of claiming targets is if the OG knew themselves or if we get really lucky with target bunching, so I'm still against it.

No lynch is low risk since when we solve the game it's over. I'll follow majority if it happens, however.
 
claiming is sort of w/e to me, i can see uses for it and i can see disadvantages for it if it turns out the mafia will gain a lot more information/insight than us. especially since at thsi point the silencer is going to lie about targeting rssp1
 
Yeti said:
claiming is sort of w/e to me, i can see uses for it and i can see disadvantages for it if it turns out the mafia will gain a lot more information/insight than us. especially since at thsi point the silencer is going to lie about targeting rssp1
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Again, whoever targeted rssp1 could be the Personal Trainer and rssp1 could be there Silencer.

jumpluff might see this as me thinking I'm the silencer, or that I'm over interested in the obvious, but I think things like this need to be said. There are a lot of variables that we don't know at this stage, and people are going to start making conclusions. This isn't a traditional NOC. We are all going to be making reads on people (of course we are, it's part of the game), but the majority of us have little idea what we are. I know that I've personally only knocked off a couple of roles that I couldn't be, and I'm sure the number can't be too much higher for most people. Even if we get all the targets/results, we are most likely still going to be in an area where a lot of 50/50 (at best) situations occur. Do not think that just because it looks like you are a certain role that you are definitely that role. We need to be open to the idea that there are other possibilities.
 
ya the problem here is, scumhunting is only viable onto the gf. the hooker PROBABLY doesn't know who they are yet. so you can't even find the hooker by behavior, because they still thnik they are town.

the silencer is probably suspecting they are mafia since it is numerically more likely that if person x targeted rssp1, they are simply the silencer rather than person x being the PT AND ALSO rssp1 being the silencer. that requires 2 roles to have lined up very specifically, and also encounters the dilemma of "what if flyhn is PT and bounced watcher-yeti back onto herself" which could be false but it is something to consider when analyzing if rssp1 is the silencer and person x the PT, rather than silencer x.

so the problem is now that we need to find someone who doesn't know their scumbuddies to be buddying and thus is probably going to pass for pretty town on d1. the gf wants to lynch today since there are higher odds of hitting town than one of his unknown scumbuddies but of course he doesn't have to state that as his opinion early in the day.

i think no lynch is the safest option today. mislynching and the silencer or gf hitting the mayor would be pretty darn fatal unless the hooker messes up/can't be identified yet.
 
i didnt really think discussion today was complete but i guess so, i feel like there's a very high chance the gf and possibly believed!silencer have voted no lynch to end the day before any more discussion. if you aren't gonna get mass claims to go off then make sure town has little to go on, too, and look town by voting nl.
 
I'm not really convinced that ending the day is such a bad idea, since there's literally only one of us who knows they're mafia for sure

the silencer can't be sure that they're the silencer due to the possibility of a double target, so making scumreads on them would be necessarily pretty difficult

not voting no lynch yet though because I fear Yeti
 
I mean, there hasn't been any real discussion for over 24 hours. I don't think we can do too much on this D1. I think D2 conversations will be exponentially more useful and founded. I think there's still too many variables right now.
 
Though you all arrived at the town square with murder on the mind, long-winded discussion led you to decide that no lynch was the best course of action. As such, you go to bed without having killed anyone.

It is now night 1. Night one will last for 48 hours or until all actions are in.
 
You can barely sleep at night, knowing someone will be brutally eliminated. You get out of bed in the morning, trying to think about other things, and realize there was no psychic communication. This must mean the watcher failed to spot anyone. When you gather with your fellow townspeople in the town square to see who's been killed, and to try and avenge the fallen... you quickly realize nobody's been killed!

It is now day 2. Day two will last for 72 hours.

Notifications (silence, psychiatrist, failed actions) are all out.
 
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