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NOC Animal Mafia ~Game Over~
- Thread starter Scarlet Firefly
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I see the point FH is making re redirector/commuter setup spec
Maybe the mafia was worried about your redirect but like now that you have no shot left for endgame seems like they didn't need to ?
Maybe the mafia was worried about your redirect but like now that you have no shot left for endgame seems like they didn't need to ?
I just want to vote FH and hope for the best
But part of me says that I can do better
what do, says me
But part of me says that I can do better
what do, says me
I just find it baffling that a 2 shot redirector would spend their shots that way
Regardless of faction
Day 1
Joking aroudn and
Hawkie then focuses blazade a lot. And reading the game now, I guess I do see they have a reason. But it does feel weird. He then kind of vanishes for the day while parking his vote on my slot (along with aubisio, which is weird because I do feel like two mafia putting their votes together at EOD is odd.
Day 2
He then basically vanishes for the rest of the day after parking his vote here. He did say quite litterally there he had stuff to do so I guess that's NAI. But still weird to tunnel till death.
-not related- but on this page KOC also pushes for Epik l
Still no content from proph but at this point he says he's in the
Okay reviewing that now. Their read on XX feels a bit shallow to me. Like, it's not *wrong* but it just read so generic and almost like "I read where my partner was fucking up and this is what they did" (or alternatively "I feel like this person is going to die so I want to be scumreading them"). Knights is somewhat teh same, but with a bit more depth imo. That said, I find the vote on KOC weird as town. Like if proph=town, here they go "XX is most likely scum, I vote KOC who I scumread less than XX". That said, I can see this easily fitting into a scum view. Where Proph, as scum, sees that XX is being universally read as scum while also going idle as fuck while KOC has been outed by a watcher. Now from the scum standpoint who is a better person to die between xx/KOC, well I guess really doesn't matter when there's been a mass claim. But I guess there is merit to the thought that scum=proph pushes KOC for....actually I don't know. I can't fit this weird vote in either way.
But they do get on KOC's case about
Proph then vanishes for awhile until Texas calls them out on it
1. Starts the mass claims
2. Presses on people for not giving full information
3. But then, after doing both of those things, THEN he claims
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So I'm going to continue the ISO from here on. But I wanted to post to let people read and evaluate and whatever.
My conclusion so far: Man, first of all, fuck this slot. They are in the kind of position where I think it's really hard to read. Hawkie basically spent his day just pushing for my lynch while having minimal interactions and then vanished while then Proph subs in at a point where KOC has been outed by whydon and XX is heavily suspect with aubisio receiving a far amount of suspicion for legitimate reasons. It's the kind of sitiuation where a decent town person would entirely pheasible catch onto the same tells that others are and push. BUT ALSO it's the ideal situation I feel like for a scum to come in, realize his team is fucked and go for the buss on all of them in order to establish the town cred needed for end game and so far. I do get the sense proph's play matches that. He pushes KOC instantly over XX when it's better for the scum team to lose KOC over XX. But then as soon as XX seems done for, Proph pushes for a mass claim, meaning it's safe for scum to lose XX at that point. Stuff like that sticks out particularly to me because it shows plans and stuff that town can't really do. Like, the sole difference between a town and scum in that postion would be deciding the value of losing scum in some order which proph hits. That said, gdi. A lot of their posts I ended up agreeing with at the time and frankly I think they did have town basis to them...but again, they also match up with the sort of plan and thought process I would have expected mafia to have around that time.
ie: fuck this slot, but as of page 50, scumreading it
Joking aroudn and
Interesting observation but, it's not like this really matters does it.
First real reads. Has KOC as town
oh hey look, proph and my slot are at odds consistantly now. Yay for finishing how we started?
Another knights TR, but this is still the same as his last reads basically so I now question why I bothered to quote.
Hawkie then focuses blazade a lot. And reading the game now, I guess I do see they have a reason. But it does feel weird. He then kind of vanishes for the day while parking his vote on my slot (along with aubisio, which is weird because I do feel like two mafia putting their votes together at EOD is odd.
Day 2
Keeps tunneling me, but also baits/jokes again with the role part.
He then basically vanishes for the rest of the day after parking his vote here. He did say quite litterally there he had stuff to do so I guess that's NAI. But still weird to tunnel till death.
So here KOC is doing an inactive ping for hawkie. Now there's WIFOM here, but the two sides are 1. KOC is pinging an idling village for town cred? To cause a mislynch? or 2. Well, basically the same thing so I guess this is NAI but still the first time I can find (though I haven't been reading though their 3 posts too much) where a scum interacts with the hawkie slot
Okay here he subs in. At this point for reference, XX has a lot of suspicion and so does aubisio. I was personally SR KOC here but I don't think too many other people were at the time.'
-not related- but on this page KOC also pushes for Epik l
Still no content from proph but at this point he says he's in the
starts to actually do stuff (and this ISO is about to get more nuanced blah). Starts off with a haruno/KOC swing, particularly aimed at KOC. Now I do want to put in here as I haven't (re)read his other stuff yet. But at this point if Proph were scum, he would see that KOC was outed by the whydon flip and XX/Aubisio had a fair amount of suspicion. If he is scum, me expectation here is that he would see that defending at least KOC was hopeless/KOC was doomed and go for a hard SR on them as well as SR on his buddies to take the town credit, while also wanting to steer a lynch to someone that's not his buddies (or potentially on KOC who is seeminly the most screwed at this point?)
Soft defense of aubisio here
Goes for the hard scum read on XX and Knights here.
Then votes KOC here, despite XX being the stronger scumread?
Okay reviewing that now. Their read on XX feels a bit shallow to me. Like, it's not *wrong* but it just read so generic and almost like "I read where my partner was fucking up and this is what they did" (or alternatively "I feel like this person is going to die so I want to be scumreading them"). Knights is somewhat teh same, but with a bit more depth imo. That said, I find the vote on KOC weird as town. Like if proph=town, here they go "XX is most likely scum, I vote KOC who I scumread less than XX". That said, I can see this easily fitting into a scum view. Where Proph, as scum, sees that XX is being universally read as scum while also going idle as fuck while KOC has been outed by a watcher. Now from the scum standpoint who is a better person to die between xx/KOC, well I guess really doesn't matter when there's been a mass claim. But I guess there is merit to the thought that scum=proph pushes KOC for....actually I don't know. I can't fit this weird vote in either way.
But they do get on KOC's case about
Proph then vanishes for awhile until Texas calls them out on it
Oh I guess we hadn't done the mass claim earlier when I thought we had. Well that actually does change the math a bit. If there hasn't been a full claim, then XX's role becomes much more valuble to the mafia as it gives them guidance for who to kill at night. Which makes Proph's behvaior here really really interesting. Essentially, when the lynch could go anywhere, he backs a KOC lynch at a point where KOC being lynched over XX is more adventagous. However when it looks like XX is going to be lynched no matter what, Proph then engages and starts the process of massclaiming, thereby also eliminating the need for the mafia to have XX's role around.
Here he presses apricity and while that's not unreasonable or particularly scum (hell i was doing it as well since I wanted to know if apricity conflicted with XX's claim) but in retrospect proph doesn't really give a reason. Leading to the sad WIFOM of was Proph just trying to get more information as town or a
Okay, gives reasoning here and...I actually do semi agree with him. So meh.
Huh, didn't catch this my first time around.
1. Starts the mass claims
2. Presses on people for not giving full information
3. But then, after doing both of those things, THEN he claims
Gets on KOC's case here, but it's sort of weak in the threatening part. Like it's calling out KOC for taking a joke litterally but he doesn't seem to g
Okay, he goes places with it a bit later. In this case using it to reiterate his earlier stated scum read. Which I guess is good and I believe I actually semi agreed with this. But at the same time, just ugh. This is what I hate about this slot (actually I think I'm about to post this in a second so I'll get to that point then)
Just the slightest defense for aubisio here. But not really going anywhere with it, except telling people to look at aubisio from behavior and not consider the role which sadly is just NAI to me.
ie "I think XX is mafia but I think he might also be town"
hm. This is a strange post. Especially the first bit. Like, if you are in this game and think KOC is mafia and whydon is towny/or at least believe his watcher results. Why do you ever put Haruno and KOC into the same scum pool? Like, with the claims and believing KOC is scum, it does become solvable to town at this point that it was likely KOC failing a kill on texas when haruno blocked it and whydon saw it.
Okay I feel like this is better. If Proph is scum, then why does he bring up XX posssibly flipping green? It doesn't really come off as defending or trying to get the lynch off XX (or if that was teh intent, it's super subtle) but at the same time. It also feels like a soft defense. Like if Proph is scum and just listed 2 scum + 2 town as scum team + his other last buddy as a possible scum and feels that the 3 of his buddies are screwed, I would expect the scum here to want to bring up the idea of a deep mole as to draw suspicion off his scum buddies and cause the kind of paranoia that makes a town kill itself instead of going for the obvious lynch.
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So I'm going to continue the ISO from here on. But I wanted to post to let people read and evaluate and whatever.
My conclusion so far: Man, first of all, fuck this slot. They are in the kind of position where I think it's really hard to read. Hawkie basically spent his day just pushing for my lynch while having minimal interactions and then vanished while then Proph subs in at a point where KOC has been outed by whydon and XX is heavily suspect with aubisio receiving a far amount of suspicion for legitimate reasons. It's the kind of sitiuation where a decent town person would entirely pheasible catch onto the same tells that others are and push. BUT ALSO it's the ideal situation I feel like for a scum to come in, realize his team is fucked and go for the buss on all of them in order to establish the town cred needed for end game and so far. I do get the sense proph's play matches that. He pushes KOC instantly over XX when it's better for the scum team to lose KOC over XX. But then as soon as XX seems done for, Proph pushes for a mass claim, meaning it's safe for scum to lose XX at that point. Stuff like that sticks out particularly to me because it shows plans and stuff that town can't really do. Like, the sole difference between a town and scum in that postion would be deciding the value of losing scum in some order which proph hits. That said, gdi. A lot of their posts I ended up agreeing with at the time and frankly I think they did have town basis to them...but again, they also match up with the sort of plan and thought process I would have expected mafia to have around that time.
ie: fuck this slot, but as of page 50, scumreading it
Maybe I'm too deep into confirmation bias and tired of reevaluating but I feel like the redirector shots+advocating for a lynch order which I disagree with is too damning for me not to want this lynch to happen
i read FH's ISO of me
it was fairly amusing because I can sort of figure out where he's coming from WRT my slot being sort of difficult to read
I'll just say that I replaced in, ISO'd all of Xnadroj's posts, and none of what he posted striked me as town in any way
I was also weirded out by Knights because I townread him easily in the last game and I wasn't getting the same vibes I was getting in that game here
it was fairly amusing because I can sort of figure out where he's coming from WRT my slot being sort of difficult to read
I'll just say that I replaced in, ISO'd all of Xnadroj's posts, and none of what he posted striked me as town in any way
I was also weirded out by Knights because I townread him easily in the last game and I wasn't getting the same vibes I was getting in that game here
I don't even know what to say at this point.
I feel like burying my face into my hands because I see this mountain of effort from FH, and I see some really strong deliberations (like the last paragraph, I want to townread it so bad)
but then we just start to lynch him and I'm like "man is this another Hitmonleet again"
I'm so paralyzed right now because every SPLIT SECOND I keep wavering on FH. There are moments throughout my day where I'm like "yeah lets lynch this scum and win" and then there are moments like this one where I just get so fencesitty and afraid to pull the trigger.
I feel like burying my face into my hands because I see this mountain of effort from FH, and I see some really strong deliberations (like the last paragraph, I want to townread it so bad)
but then we just start to lynch him and I'm like "man is this another Hitmonleet again"
I'm so paralyzed right now because every SPLIT SECOND I keep wavering on FH. There are moments throughout my day where I'm like "yeah lets lynch this scum and win" and then there are moments like this one where I just get so fencesitty and afraid to pull the trigger.
Idk seeing FH iso Proph's slot rather than being outraged at my lynch order and talking to me seems strange
Pushes for Apricity/EPik as part of their deep mole question. But gives an IOU for anything more than a basic explination.
This feels genuine to me. Which if I do want to take it as genuine, then that's proph being frusturated/indecisive on the XX wagon which would make sense I guess and support the reasons for his past posts.
ngl, at this poitn some how I'm
Okay, read from this post to Proph's next and this never gets followed up on (unless it does later and I'm too early). But I find this question interesting, in this case even though texas is wrong about Knights + Aubisio being scum because of the 'persuade', he is right though about their alignments. Which makes it interesting that Proph then gives texas flake about doing that. Like, he doesn't really *d
I hate how much WIFOM this iso has. But what is this? KOC hoping proph takes more town points? He doesn't really defend himself or do anything against proph's read of him so just ugh, I hate wine right now.
also posting this chunk right now because ...wow I actually just did 8 pages. But re: earlio lynch, I don't like it. My votes on it because I know lynching me is a loss for town and the simple statistical thing that from my POV anyone has a higher chance of being scum than I do. But here's the thing I hate. If earlio isn't the scum, then we enter tomorow as LYLO with this same proph/fh debate going
I've straight up said I've wanted to do this for awhile.
Also, like I just mentioend, I see this coming to ahead tomorrow. Which would absolutely suck if proph was town because then in lylo you have a town v town sitution which is why I want to get to the bottom of this and see how I read proph at the end of the ISO
is jalmont just scum
and laughing at us
while we're town on town slaughtering
and laughing at us
while we're town on town slaughtering
I thought Jalmont was probably town and then he disappeared and lurked thread/online
i feel like screaming right now
aaaaaaaAAAAAAA
aaaaaaaAAAAAAA
biggest thing in jalmont's favor is when FH revealed that Jalmont was the messenge sender aubisio snap voted for him
and of course being a messenger in a game with a mafia neighborizer
but.. he hasn't been active, he scumread a bunch of townies early on
it's why I wanted to find a Jalmont scumgame, so I could see what he would do
and of course being a messenger in a game with a mafia neighborizer
but.. he hasn't been active, he scumread a bunch of townies early on
it's why I wanted to find a Jalmont scumgame, so I could see what he would do
idk man
just shaking my head at this point
i feel like i'm flipping a bunch of coins between FH/Earlio/Jalmont and seeing who flips scum versus town
just shaking my head at this point
i feel like i'm flipping a bunch of coins between FH/Earlio/Jalmont and seeing who flips scum versus town
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