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Hail Team

Ok well I've done research on about 10 prevous Hail Teams, looking at the different Pokemon and movesets that they used/etc. From what I can conclude, these are among the best options to choose from, the movesets or even Pokemon I have listed don't have to be used, but what I'm trying to find out is what are the best choices to have to make a solid, consistent hail team. Here's the movesets I found or like that I've seen in the past:

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Rotom (w) @ Choice Scarf
Timid - Levitate
252 Hit Points - 60 Defense - 196 Speed
Shadow Ball / Thunderbolt
Hydro Pump / Thunderbolt
Reflect / Will-O-Wisp
Trick

Serves as a great suppot pokemon offering Reflect and immunity to ground attacks. Will-O-Wisp is an option over Reflect since it gives a different kind of relief on attacks but not quite as reliable. Trick is to screw over other walls or set up Pokemon so that they become not as efficient or useful. Shadow Ball / Thunderbolt for STAB then Hydro Pump / Thunderbolt for STAB/Power, right now I'd probably go with Hydro Pump and Shadow Ball. Also serves as a great Spin Blocker if the team has Stealth Rock/(Toxic) Spikes.

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Weavile @ Focus Sash
Jolly – Pressure
252 Attack – 252 Speed – 4 Hit Points
Fake Out
Taunt
Ice Shard
Counter

IF I used this I'd probably lead with it. Standard lead but it so obvious that the opponent tends to play around it or they're using a suicide lead so it kills it's purpose.

Weavile @ Focus Sash
Jolly – Pressure
252 Attack – 252 Speed – 4 Hit Points
Swords Dance
Night Slash
Ice Shard
Brick Break

The other alternation of Weavile that I like, Switch in on something that is afraid of it and Swords Dance on the switch, having a priority attack to abuse with the +2 Attack you get.

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Abomasnow @ Leftovers
Adamant – Snow Warning
252 Attack – 252 Speed – 4 Hit Points
Swords Dance
Ice Shard
Seed Bomb
Earthquake

Extremely similar to the above Weavile set, same concept. This is the 1st of 3 varients of Abomasnow's I like. This one is good for a more offensive appoach physical wise of him, sadly it leaves out his STAB'd 100% Blizzard but meh.

Abomasnow @ Leftovers
Sassy – Snow Warning
252 Hit Points – 20 Special Attack – 160 Special Defense – 76 Speed
Blizzard
Focus Punch
Leech Seed
Substitute

2nd Varient. Bulky SubSeed is a powerful version of his that can do a lot of damage if used correctly.

Abomasnow @ Choice Scarf
Timid – Snow Warning
252 Special Attack – 252 Speed – 4 Special Defense
Blizzard
Grass Knot
Hidden Power – Ground
Shadow Ball

Finaly version of Abomasnow is Scarf'd Special Sweeper. Having very good coverage, and a respectable 92 Base Special attack, makes this quite a dangerous threat.

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Froslass @ Focus Sash
Timid – Snow Cloak
252 Special Attack – 252 Speed – 4 Hit Points
Spikes
Blizzard
Thunderbolt
Destiny Bond

Has quite a few purposes, 1) Set up Spikes::2) Destiny Bond for an almost guarnteed kill::3) Spin Blocker. Blizzard and Thunderbolt give it BoltBeam coverage if need be. Main draw back is that it's so fragile but has a quite nice base 110 Speed.

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Breloom @ Toxic Orb
Jolly – Poison Heal
252 Attack – 252 Speed – 4 Defense
Focus Punch
Spore
Leech Seed
Substitute

Breloom is an option to be a Status Blocker and is resistent to Earthquake, but would only add more fire weakness to a Hail Team.

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Uxie @ Choice Scarf
Modest – Levitate
252 Hit Points – 252 Special Attack – 4 Speed
Trick
Stealth Rock
Psychic
Thunderbolt

Uxie support lead. Can Trick a scarf to something that can't use it while being able to set up Stealth Rock.

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Charizard @ Choice Specs
Modest – Blaze
252 Special Attack – 252 Speed – 4 Hit Points
Flamethrower
Hidden Power – Electric
Focus Blast
Air Slash

Charizard is an interesting pokemon who resists both Ground and Fire (both of which are very good resistencs fo a Hail Team, not even Heatran can do that). Although SpecsZard isn't as fast as Scarftran, it hits much harder and is not so "common" so people won't know what set it is. Has pretty good coverage too.

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Heracross @ Choice Scarf
Adamant – Guts
252 Attack – 252 Speed – 4 Hit Points
Megahorn
Close Combat
Pursuit
Stone Edge

ScarfCross is always worth mentioning since he's a good pokemon in almost any team.

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Gengar @ Choice Scarf
Timid – Levitate
252 Special Attack – 252 Speed – 4 Hit Points
Shadow Ball
Trick
Focus Blast
Hidden Power – Ice

Gengar has Immunity to Ground and can Spin Block. Revenge Kills extremely well with the scarf and still a good special sweeper once it's gone via trick.

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Starmie @ Leftovers
Timid – Natural Cure
160 Hit Points - 132 Special Attack - 216 Speed
Blizzard / Thunderbolt
Rapid Spin
Recover
Surf

Option 1 for Rapid Spin Pokemon. Since Ice = Bad vs stealth rock = spinner needed. Blizzard allows it to hit harder than Ice Beam, but with all the Ice moves already on the team thunderbolt is a possible replacement. Surf is to be able to actually kill the Infernape it's meant to counter (and heatran).

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Mamoswine @ Life Orb
Naughty – Snow Cloak
252 Attack – 20 Special Attack – 236 Speed
Earthquake
Ice Shard
Blizzard
Stone Edge

Found this set to be pretty interesting, allowing Mamo to hit from Special spectrum thanks to Blizzards big Base Power.

Mamoswine @ Life Orb
Adamant – Snow Cloak
124 Hit Points – 252 Attack – 64 Defense – 68 Special Defense
Curse
Earthquake
Avalanche
Ice Shard

Another set I saw that I liked, Curseswine seems to be extremely dangerous if a team isn't prepared for it.

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Tentacruel @ Black Sludge
Calm – Liquid Ooze
204 Hit Points – 96 Special Attack – 172 Special Defense – 36 Speed
Toxic Spikes
Surf
Blizzard
Rapid Spin

Spin Option 2. Basicly it's Recover vs Toxic Spikes...leaning more toward Starmie.

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Heatran @ Choice Scarf
Hasty – Flash Fire
252 Special Attack – 252 Speed – 4 Attack
Fire Blast
Hidden Power – Ice
Earth Power
Explosion

And of course heatran. Since Ice is so weak to fire this is the best thing to soak them up, but his ground weakness isn't very great since ice also has that weakness =/


So anyway I put a small description by them, so what do you guys think are the best of these sets? (or if you know better ones please do tell).

Thanks,
-Matt
 
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I just noticed that there's no sign of him on the site anywhere and I didn't really see any explanation anywhere.
 
IMO she probably requested a ban because of midterms and such, not for infractions.

Matt, ignoring your post's errors (Ice isn't weak to Ground), a guide to Hail Pokemon isn't a simple question or answer.
 
I just hatched a great flareon.

I know that's an oxymoron, but i'm going to EV it anyway to see how it does.

I have access to Platinum, so I want to give it Superpower.

How much attack EVs do you suggest? It's mild. I want to OHKO Blissey, or at least OHKO it after a flamethrower and stealth rock. The problem is that I don't know of any Damage Calculators besides MetalKids, which overshoots.
 
IMO she probably requested a ban because of midterms and such, not for infractions.

Matt, ignoring your post's errors (Ice isn't weak to Ground), a guide to Hail Pokemon isn't a simple question or answer.

Hmm I don't know why I thought it was lol. Well anyway I tried out a sequence and here's what I got

4 Wins 2 Loses (so far)

Abomasnow @ Choice Scarf
Timid – Snow Warning
252 Special Attack – 252 Speed – 4 Special Defense
Blizzard
Grass Knot
Hidden Power – Ground
Shadow Ball

This lead actually faired very well, being able to hit most of the leads I faced without much problems or just switching if I couldn't handle it (IE Scizor, switched to Charizard who took the Bullet Punch and forced a switch).

Froslass @ Focus Sash
Timid – Snow Cloak
252 Special Attack – 252 Speed – 4 Hit Points
Spikes
Blizzard
Thunderbolt
Destiny Bond

(Really considering something else, hasn't done much)
Ya the Spikes were nice but everything else is just horrile, considering a ghost still, but I still want support so thinking about finding Stealth Rock on the team somwhere and putting Rotom Wash here.

Charizard @ Choice Specs
Modest – Blaze
252 Special Attack – 252 Speed – 4 Hit Points
Flamethrower
Hidden Power – Electric
Focus Blast
Air Slash

This worked very well, I had a few people switching thinking it's Bellyzard just to get nailed on the switch XD.

Starmie @ Leftovers
Timid – Natural Cure
160 Hit Points - 132 Special Attack - 216 Speed
Blizzard / Thunderbolt
Rapid Spin
Recover
Surf

The Rapid Spin helped A LOT, I went with Blizzard and that was working OK too.

Mamoswine @ Life Orb
Adamant – Snow Cloak
124 Hit Points – 252 Attack – 64 Defense – 68 Special Defense
Curse
Earthquake
Avalanche
Ice Shard

OMG this thing was amazing! 1 Curse and things happen....this thing is scarry lol.

Heatran @ Choice Scarf
Timid – Flash Fire
252 Special Attack – 252 Speed – 4 Attack
Fire Blast
Hidden Power – Ice
Earth Power
Dragon Pulse

2nd Fire type to help against fire types really helped in the battles, Dragon Pulse > Explosion because I can take care of Blissey and Dragon Pulse helps me cover Kingdra (who gave me a lot of problems).

That's what I tried out and there it is, what do y'all think I should do from here?

-Matt
 
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Yeah.

Hail teams are not weak to Ground, but another reason for maybe using Charizard is for the Steel Resist (i.e. Metagross and Scizor). It is all the more important to have a Steel resist because of all the Bullet Punches shooting around nowadays, and Charizard counters Scizor nicely by taking X-Scissors and Superpowers pretty well too.
Oh, and I recommend using Overheat over Flamethrower on a Specs set.
 
Yeah.

Hail teams are not weak to Ground, but another reason for maybe using Charizard is for the Steel Resist (i.e. Metagross and Scizor). It is all the more important to have a Steel resist because of all the Bullet Punches shooting around nowadays, and Charizard counters Scizor nicely by taking X-Scissors and Superpowers pretty well too.
Oh, and I recommend using Overheat over Flamethrower on a Specs set.

Again, I'm not sure why I thought Ground was super effective. Alright Overheat sounds like a good idea so I'll change that. Technically it was a question though, the question was what are some good fundamental (sp?) pokemon to start with when I'm building it, then I listed a lot of movesets so that I wasn't saying "make me the moveset too".
 
Well I would suggest perhaps putting a StallRein in your examples of Hail Team pokes, seeing as its the third most common poke seen in Hail teams after Abomasnow and Mamoswine.

Walrein
@ Leftovers
Ice Body
Bold (+Def, -Atk)
220 HP, 252 Def, 36 SpD

- Substitute
- Protect
- Roar
- Surf

Oh, and if its not saying too much, you can look at my now retired hail team if you are struggling with ideas.

EDIT: This is gold - Dragontamer's Hail Team Guide
 
Well I would suggest perhaps putting a StallRein in your examples of Hail Team pokes, seeing as its the third most common poke seen in Hail teams after Abomasnow and Mamoswine.

Walrein
@ Leftovers
Ice Body
Bold (+Def, -Atk)
220 HP, 252 Def, 36 SpD

- Substitute
- Protect
- Roar
- Surf

Oh, and if its not saying too much, you can look at my now retired hail team if you are struggling with ideas.

EDIT: This is gold - Dragontamer's Hail Team Guide

Well I don't want to use Walrein due to the speed of the metagame now, however I do wanna consider your Tentecruel over my Starmie and Rotome W over Froslass, but then that also makes me want Gliscor since like you said it covers Tentacruel and visaversa, but I don't know what to take off for Gliscor now. For now I'll just try it without Gliscor. Also thanks for the guide, it did help.
 
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It's down for me too, to answer your first question- I haven't been able to get on all day so it's not just you. I just registered yesterday. Does this happen regularly?
 
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You should find us as "Smogon University" on the server list, but if you can't you can connect to shoddybattle.smogon.com on port 50000

you can do that when you click on "Advanced" and put shoddybattle.smogon.com as Host and 50000 as Port
 
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I've uploaded a frontier battle successfully before, but this time, while i try and upload my wifi battle, the blue dots circle for a little bit then this text appears on the top screen:

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I touch the bottom screen, and it goes to the main upload video menu.. so it's not uploading. Anyone know whats going wrong?
 
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