Belly Drum + Aqua Jet is a illegal move combination and therefor not allowed in competitive play.
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Belly Drum + Aqua Jet is a illegal move combination and therefor not allowed in competitive play.
Nobody is going to get banned, it's not a good idea to do something like that on WiFi though. There's a glitch with the Pomeg Berry (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pomeg_glitch) that allows a Pokémon to level up and learn moves it would learn later before it hatches from the egg, it is in fact a glitch. The Ditto glitch allows for a Ditto to learn any combination of moves along with Transform and pass them on to an offspring. So this allows previously impossible egg move combinations like Aqua Jet and Belly Drum for Azumarill as they come from different parents.
So somebody decided one glitch should be legal and another should be illegal. I understand some glitches can ruin the metagame but I don't think this does and it doesn't make sense to allow one and disallow the other
Okay, so what your saying is. They allow the first glitch(Pomeg), but disallow the Belly Drum thing?
Wouldn't the first contradict the other? As it seems your saying, the Pomeg glitch lets your Pokemon learn moves, it couldn't learn, until later, also including that the move itself isn't a Egg move, already.
Wouldn't the first contradict the other? As it seems your saying, the Pomeg glitch lets your Pokemon learn moves, it couldn't learn, until later, also including that the move itself isn't a Egg move, already.
The glitches aren't connected, but it's illogical to allow one glitch and ban the other glitch. But look at this: http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/zigzagoon
Read the very first line in the Belly Drum Sweeper set which says:
But on Azumarill's page: http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/azumarill, it isn't even mentioned that you can get Aqua Jet and Belly Drum through a glitch.
So yeah in summary, one glitch is banned and one glitch is accepted, which is pretty stupid in my opinion. Yes, Azumarill with Belly Drum and Aqua Jet would be broken, but that's what BL and OU are for.
Pomeg glitch basically only affects the Little Cup community, there's nothing interesting that Pomeg brings to the standard OU metagame. Basically I allowed the Pomeg glitch during my time with Little Cup because it added some interesting things to the metagame (Tri Attack Porygon, Recover Staryu, etc.) The reason why we disallow the Ditto glitch is because Jibaku found a way any pokemon could learn any move, that was deemed disastrous to the OU metagame and we decided to not implement it.
So basically you're complaining about a glitch which doesn't affect the OU metagame at all.
So basically you're complaining about a glitch which doesn't affect the OU metagame at all.
There's two different glitches here, one allows a Pokémon to learn any combination of egg moves previously available to it. The other allows them to learn anything essentially.
In my opinion, there is a fine line between those two glitches and I think that it should be allowed to have an Azumarill with Aqua Jet and Belly Drum or a Tropius with Leaf Blade and Dragon Dance or whatever. And I also think that it's not what tier is altered by the glitch, but the fact that one glitch is being allowed while other glitches are cast aside and people just say "oh it's illegal because it's a glitch.", but I just posted a link to the Zigzagoon page which is practically rejoicing over being able to use a glitch legally, I just think it seems dumb
Why would we allow a glitch that makes it so a pokemon can have a movepool that it was never allowed to have in the first place? Aqua Jet and Belly Drum have two different parents which can not be bred together so Azumarill can't have them. The difference between the two is one is game breaking while the other has no adverse effects.
Well I don't play Little Cup so I don't know how broken any Pomeg Glitch users are, but Belly Drum and Extremespeed Zigzagoon sounds pretty broken to me.
It just seems to me that certain glitches shouldn't be accepted while other glitches are banned. Just ban all of them
Basically all competitive communities decide which glitches (if there are any) to or to not ban. In the Smash Melee community the Ice climbers have a glitch where they freeze the opponent's frame so he can no longer move / do anything and then they are free to gget a free stock on the player. They didn't remove wavedash or l-cancel because there's one bad glitch, they simply ban the bad glitch.
Anyway speaking for Little Cup Belly Drum ExtremeSpeed Zigzagoon is very underwhelming. First and formost since the glitch is only found in Emerald, Zigzagoon can't have it's Gluttony ability, making pinch berries less effective. Secondly with Sub and Belly Drum Zigzagoon only has room for two attacking moves, and one is a Normal-type attack which Ghost-types don't mind switching in on, and if you decide to run Shadow Claw as your second move then Aron and Bronzor have an easy time switching in. I wouldn't have allowed these pokemon if they were disastrous the little cup metagame.
Okay you won this round. And after some damage calcs, Belly Drum Aqua Jet Azumarill would be extremely broken and be immediately banned from UU and maybe even OU, I just don't like the glitch bias
That's a well rounded team in terms of weaknesses and resistances, especially if Miltank has Thick Fat. But you can really add anything you want, I would stay away from a Fire or Ice weak Pokémon though
Lol. Everyone seems to say that, when they look at my team. xD
I was just thinking of Pokemon, while on the road, that were in my PC box.
I guess when the ride is 8 hours, your mind just wanders. xD
Anywho, I was thinking of maybe Starmie for a Rapid Spinner or maybe a Life Orb user. But eh, I am not sure. Maybe I could use a Physical Sweeper as my 6th member.
Oh and Miltank does have Thick Fat.
I was just thinking of Pokemon, while on the road, that were in my PC box.
I guess when the ride is 8 hours, your mind just wanders. xD
Anywho, I was thinking of maybe Starmie for a Rapid Spinner or maybe a Life Orb user. But eh, I am not sure. Maybe I could use a Physical Sweeper as my 6th member.
Oh and Miltank does have Thick Fat.
This isn't competitive is it? But with Thick Fat on Miltank, it really doesn't matter what your last Pokémon is, but I personally wouldn't use a Gliscor/Garchomp/Dragonite/Salamence/Altaria or Abomasnow/Parasect.
But really, Scizor is only weak to Fire which is resisted by Slowking, Flygon, and Miltank. Slowking is weak to Grass which is resisted by Scizor, it is also weak to Electric which is ineffective to Flygon, it is also weak to Ghost which is ineffective to Miltank and resisted by Scizor, it is also weak to Dark which is resisted by Scizor. Miltank is weak to Fighting which is resisted by Slowking and Gallade. Flygon is weak to Ice which is resisted by Scizor, Slowking, and Miltank, it is also weak to Dragon which is resisted by Scizor. Gallade is weak to Flying which goes unresisted and it is also weak to Ghost which is resisted by Scizor and ineffective to Miltank.
I think that covers it
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Already included.
you sure? The guy who made the second thread i posted with the name of greenjester420 seems pretty confident that the decision has already been made.
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