Can old, non-core series games with competitive potential be discussed in this subforum? I was referred here when asking the same question in OI.
No, this is core series only. Conquest was a fun game and worth exploring in some aspect competitively for sure, but I don't know that there's a place for it here on smogon. Try talking to one of the OI moderators in PM and see if they'll give it a go, otherwise i'm afraid not.Can old, non-core series games with competitive potential be discussed in this subforum? I was referred here when asking the same question in OI.
You'll have to define "back in the day" to really get a good answer. In gens 2-4 the answer should be obvious - Blissey was the objectively superior choice due to its higher stats everywhere and the lack of Eviolite.Going back to my previous question (sorry for all the questions lol) why was Blissey often used over Chansey back in the day? Was it not obvious that Chansey was superior in basically every way except the passable special attack from Blissey?
Shouldve specified gen 5, sorryYou'll have to define "back in the day" to really get a good answer. In gens 2-4 the answer should be obvious - Blissey was the objectively superior choice due to its higher stats everywhere and the lack of Eviolite.
In early gen 5 the usual reasoning was the lack of Leftovers on Chansey allowed it to get chipped down in longer games vs sand or hail.
Are there any ways to check usage stats in old metagames like adv ou and dpp ou? I did a quick search on the forums but all I saw was gen 7 and tournament usage stats.
Also, you could check out the usage stats for old gens in major tournaments like Smogon Premier League and World Cup of Pokemon. Links here:
I think Moltres going to OU and Raikou going to BL is a sign that changes like this will happen in the near future, so maybe Regice will be looked at soon. In DPP they may very well update, but if they do it would only be OU and BL mons shifting into OU or BL. Lower tiers like UU and NU will not be disrupted in that process, which is why Nidoqueen and Clefable cannot rise up to OU, for example.Why is Regice still OU in ADV/RSE when it's in a similar situation as Raikou right now? Are tiers going to update for other generations, like maybe DPP Electivire drops to UU?
Also I know this question has been asked hundreds of times already, but what happens when people play GSC without Snorlax? Is that metagame "less healthy" than standard GSC? Does another Pokemon become the S+ ?
It's because Tauros received a Special drop, which reapplies the paralysis, making Exeggutor faster. It's a very weird mechanic that is exclusive to RBY.I'm going to ask here at the risk of looking like I don't know Gen I, because I thought I remembered everything about its mechanics.
The part of this image that's relevant is turn 102: how did this happen? Why did Exeggutor move first?
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Tauros and Eggy are both Paralyzed. Eggy is in kill range of hyper beam, so I go for the move and miss. Then it moves first on the next turn and gets the kill. Why did eggy move first?
Since evasion moves are banned from competitive game I haven't check how Double Team works with stat modifications but should be same as any other stats modificator move.Possibly somewhat related to the previous issue, with RBY stat mechanics. On cartridge, I have experienced that using Double Team seems to make the Attack stat rise as well. What is the explanation behind this?
How is the size of the BL banlist for ADV almost as big as the UU tier itself, how is this justified, and has it ever ben considered to make a concerted effort to reintroduce mons from BL into UU to promote the diversity of the tier?
Back then, we didn't have usage statistics so making tiers was a heavily arbitrary decision based on each pokemon's usage and all-around usefulness in the metagame. At some point the standard UU power level (let's call it that) was set around metagame staples like Electabuzz/Scyther/Vileplume/Fearow/Golem/Hypno, of course this was completely arbitrary.
BL was basically the UU banlist, and it included mons like Alakazam, Dodrio or Rhydon which were definitely not OU, but deemed "too strong" for the perceived UU metagame power level.
Some tournaments around 2003-2004 (for example Summer Freedom) had a weird format where you could use one BL in your UU team. In the following years there was much debate on this issue, by late RSE it was settled that BLs were completely banned.
Basically people really liked playing Fearow and Golem so Dodrio and Rhydon were banned because of that.
AFAIK Kangaskhan evaded the banlist and remained in UU forever, despite it being the most powerful mon in the meta.
And as far as I know, reviewing the banlist has been suggested a few times, but nobody cares enough to make it really happen. Several people think we have enough BL Pokemon to make a playable tier between OU and UU, and such BL players already have our own thread and Discord.Smogon Dex said:UUBL (UnderUsed Banlist) is the banlist for UU and is generally not a playable tier. UUBL was determined by community consensus at the time that ADV was the current generation as comprised of Pokemon that were "Borderline Standard" (Standard being the old name for "OU"). They were in effect Pokemon that were "usable" to a degree in OU, but "not quite there" as Pokemon that were consistent enough to be considered "standard."
After going through both the old UU forum (see thread cryonics) and the Policy review subforum, this is what I could find:Hey, I've been mulling this over for a few hours now and I decided to bring it up here to a bigger audience in hopes that I may find a concise answer.
Why is auto hail, namely the ability Snow Warning, banned in BW UU. It seems like an unnecessary complex ban when Abomasnow could just be moved up to BW OU. Additionally, this has effected non-official lower tiers. I understand these lower tiers do not affect the decision whatsoever. I just want an explanation as to why Snow Warning is banned.