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#2
I've been running a Mandibuzz/Tangela/Claydol/Clefable defensive core. It works for everything except yanmega. (Clefable can't switch into speclens bug buzz when it's lower than 80%. I've been looking for improvements, but I haven't found one.

Can anyone give a suggestion?

edit: first post wooooot
 

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As you already have a generic Special Wall, I'll say not Munchlax (who gets forced to rest and become setup fodder anyways), or other Normal-type special walls for that matter. Lesser known checks include things like Specially Defensive Subroost Moltres, (which you might try, but requires SR off the field at all times), Eviolite Golbat (redundant with Mandibuzz) and Eviolite Lampent (which you might try--if you're spiking up like other defensive teams, you'll need a spinblocker-but it can't block the most common spinner in Blasty). All of them quad-resist Bug Buzz, and Air Slash is a lot weaker. The fact that you force it to Air Slash instead allows you to use Clefable with moderation as well-- still, they aren't perfect checks (aka, Air Flinch Hax). In fact, I don't think there is a single 'mon that you can throw out in front of Yanmega and not fear anything. But then, I might be missing something.
 

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Will the cutoff between RU and NU be the same as the cutoff between the other tiers?
It depends on what you mean by that. As far as I know the 3.41% will remain the cutoff point.

I'd say probopass is as good of a yanmega counter as any.
Only if Yanmega isn't using HP Ground (which most only do on a Specs set). But yes, I too am a fan of Probopass.
 

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#9
SpD Mandibuzz also checks Yanmega as my own mixed set even functions in tanking the hits provided that SR is gone on your own side of the field
clearly someone isn't considering that bravebird recoil will make you a suicide bomber, or that you become weak to Bug once you roost.

As for Mega counters, a quirky yet great one is Electrode. He gets soundproof, resists airslash, and outspeeds with electric typing.
 
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clearly someone isn't considering that bravebird recoil will make you a suicide bomber, or that you become weak to Bug once you roost.

As for Mega counters, a quirky yet great one is Electrode. He gets soundproof, resists airslash, and outspeeds with electric typing.
Some other good ones are
-SpD Roselia with Sludge Bomb or HP Rock
-Haven't tried it yet but Golbat could probably work
-Scarf Typhlosion is you double switch (which is pretty easy to predict)
-Mr. Mime because it's immune to Bug Buzz and has a good SpD stat

edit: Electrode is a check not a counter because it shouldn't be switching in on Specs Air Slash.
 

Stratos

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Some other good ones are
-SpD Roselia with Sludge Bomb or HP Rock
-Haven't tried it yet but Golbat could probably work
-Scarf Typhlosion is you double switch (which is pretty easy to predict)
-Mr. Mime because it's immune to Bug Buzz and has a good SpD stat

edit: Electrode is a check not a counter because it shouldn't be switching in on Specs Air Slash.
Idk about you but the only Mega i've been seeing recently are Speed Boost
 
#14
Guys, let's face it. SpecsLens is practically uncounterable, bar a few gimmicky pokes that have no real impact on the tier. Sure it has checks, but not many pokes can switch into a Bug Buzz/ Air Slash, whichever hits harder (which is really what you use to see if its a proper counter, i.e. Eviolite Roselia might be able to come in on Bug Buzz, but it can not come in on Air Slash, so it is not a formal counter, much like Gliscor is not a counter to, say, Specs Thundurus). And, going back to the definition of broken "Being able to sweep through a large amount of teams with relative ease," it does just that. Can we please stop asking "what counters Yanmega"
 

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Guys, let's face it. SpecsLens is practically uncounterable, bar a few gimmicky pokes that have no real impact on the tier. Sure it has checks, but not many pokes can switch into a Bug Buzz/ Air Slash, whichever hits harder (which is really what you use to see if its a proper counter, i.e. Eviolite Roselia might be able to come in on Bug Buzz, but it can not come in on Air Slash, so it is not a formal counter, much like Gliscor is not a counter to, say, Specs Thundurus). And, going back to the definition of broken "Being able to sweep through a large amount of teams with relative ease," it does just that. Can we please stop asking "what counters Yanmega"

munchlax says hi to the specs lens set and either phazes or sets up on it (i use curse :0 )
 
#16
-Scarf Typhlosion is you double switch (which is pretty easy to predict)
Double switch? On a Yanmega? So you switch to your pivot (lol pivot against Yanmega) to find out what set it is running: If it is SB then you switch to Typhlosion and... it's outspeeding you. If it's TL then you switch to Typhlosion and... Typhlosion is OHKOed by a resisted attack... The word 'counter' is being used pretty loosely there.

Evio Golbat sounds interesting though; but I'm sceptical because all these bulky Flying types like Mandibuzz sound great on paper with recovery and phazing and support moves but they always disappoint because of Stealth Rock putting them in 2HKO range.
 
#17
clearly someone isn't considering that bravebird recoil will make you a suicide bomber, or that you become weak to Bug once you roost.

As for Mega counters, a quirky yet great one is Electrode. He gets soundproof, resists airslash, and outspeeds with electric typing.
And clearly someone is considering that Toxicstalling can be used as well lol. Let's stop with these arguments already :D
 
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Don't take my word for at, as I'm just guessing, but I believe that tiers will be updated after suspect voting for OU takes place, as they'll (probably) have to change the tiers to kick Thundurus/ Excadrill (Thundurus was almost banned last round, Excadrill has been suspect from the very beginning) out, and they'll also change up UU and RU while they're at it.
 

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