Averagemons

[Bigrob8917]

Why isn't Marowak on the Viability Rankings? It can wreck teams apart without the need for support!

 

[EV]

Why isn't Marowak on the Viability Rankings? It can wreck teams apart without the need for support!

Thick Club is banned. It's not that impressive without it.

 

[Salamencizer]

So you think that those Pee Dons and Arceuses are enuf? You need some real PU mons! As everyones stats become 100/100/100/100/100/100, no need to worry bout them being not bulkeh!

Dedenne @ Petaya Berry
Ability: Cheek Pouch
EVs: 6 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Recycle
- Thunderbolt
- Signal Beam
- Parabolic Charge\Nuzzle
The recycle tho. You can also replace Petaya with Sitrus.

Chatot @ Focus Sash
Ability: Keen Eye
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Boomburst
- Heat Wave
- Chatter FILLER
Huh. Chatter is banned.Now wut? Well, use nasty plot and start sweeping if there be no talonflame of roxx.

Ninjask @ Leftovers
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Bug Buzz
- Protect
- Giga Drain
- Shadow Ball
It has a decent movepool, and...well, Speed Boost. You can even run a physical ninjask, because it has access to Swords Dance.

Ditto @ Leftovers/Choice Scarf
Ability: Imposter
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SpD
Bold Nature
- Transform
Well... Now Ditto has 100 base HP. When the Opposing Pokemon tries to set up, switch this guy in.

Thats it for now. Ill post more later.

 

[MaestroDeSWAG]

So you think that those Pee Dons and Arceuses are enuf? You need some real PU mons! As everyones stats become 100/100/100/100/100/100, no need to worry bout them being not bulkeh!

Dedenne @ Petaya Berry
Ability: Cheek Pouch
EVs: 6 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Recycle
- Thunderbolt
- Signal Beam
- Parabolic Charge\Nuzzle
The recycle tho. You can also replace Petaya with Sitrus.

Chatot @ Focus Sash
Ability: Keen Eye
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Boomburst
- Heat Wave
- Chatter FILLER
Huh. Chatter is banned.Now wut? Well, use nasty plot and start sweeping if there be no talonflame of roxx.

Ninjask @ Leftovers
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Bug Buzz
- Protect
- Giga Drain
- Shadow Ball
It has a decent movepool, and...well, Speed Boost. You can even run a physical ninjask, because it has access to Swords Dance.

Ditto @ Leftovers/Choice Scarf
Ability: Imposter
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SpD
Bold Nature
- Transform
Well... Now Ditto has 100 base HP. When the Opposing Pokemon tries to set up, switch this guy in.

Thats it for now. Ill post more later.

I would run physical ninjask; it has access to swords dance to boost, which makes it much more frightening than it is at +0. Also scolipede is probably just better since it doesn't have that awful typing.

 

[Salamencizer]

I would run physical ninjask; it has access to swords dance to boost, which makes it much more frightening than it is at +0. Also scolipede is probably just better since it doesn't have that awful typing.

Actually i agree with you over using Scolipede, and you can even use Blaziken.

 

[urkerab]

Given that it's now 30% bulkier and has no weakness (except Moldy EQ), how viable would you say Eelektross is? (In fact the whole meta seems bulky to me with everyone needing boosts or at least pseudo boosts.)

What do people think is the ideal way to deal with Speed

Some Speed-related ideas:

• Sticky Web, but watch out for those Contrary users who pick up a speed boost instead
• Trick Room
• Payback (double power if you're slower)
• Analytic (1.3x power if you're slower)
• Metal Burst (Aggron-Mega?)

Spinda @ Leftovers
Ability: Contrary
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
Careful Nature
- Superpower
- Double-Edge
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
Spinda for B- rank: Better typing and move set than Malamar. Too bad this rest talk set gets walled by ghost type.

Well, Spinda does learn Shadow Ball...

 

[LatiasDigs]

how isnt clawitzer on viability, its really good due to mega launcher

 

[G-Luke]

Will Venomoth be un-banned since the Baton Pass nerf and also maybe Smeargle.

Here is a set im sure no one sees coming.

Togekiss @ Choice Band
EVs: 252 Atk / 176 HP / 80 Spe
Ability: Hustle
Adamant Nature
- Extreme Speed
- Aerial Ace
- Drain Punch
- Zen Headbutt / Trick

A unexpected and powerful wallbreaker with Hustle + Choice Band boosting its attack to extreme levels. Aerial Ace is a powerful and spammable STAB, as it bypasses Hustle's accuracy nerf. Extreme Speed is powerful priority that allows it to revenge kill many threats. Drain Punch hits Steel types hard and provides semi-reliable recovery. Zen Headbutt smashes Poison types (cough couch Nidoking) hard, while Choice Scarf cripples Stallmons which are very popular in this meta.

 

[lepton]

Prettyfied the VR

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S Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are the pinnacle of the Averagemons metagame. These Pokemon are able to perform a variety of roles very effectively, or can just do one extremely well. Their use has low risk involved and high reward exerted. Pokemon in this rank have very few flaws that are patched up by numerous positive traits. These Pokemon define the metagame.

Clefable

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Nidoking/Nidoqueen
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A Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are fantastic in the Averagemons metagame, and can sweep, support, or wall significant portions of the metagame. These Pokemon require less support than most others to be used effectively and have few flaws that can easily be compensated for when compared to their positive traits. These Pokemon exert a strong presence in the metagame.

A+ Rank:

Chatot

Kecleon

Sableye-Mega

Skrelp

Swoobat

Talonflame

A Rank:

Crawdaunt

Dragalge

Exploud

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Foongus/Amoonguss

Gliscor

Greninja

Serperior

Wooper

A- Rank:

Corsola

Klefki

Kyogre

Salamence-Mega

Xerneas

/

Zigzagoon/Linoone

B Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are great in the Averagemons metagame. These Pokemon have more notable flaws than those above them that affect how they function in the tier. Their positive traits still outshine their negatives, but they require a bit more team support to bring out their full potential. These Pokemon exert an above average presence in the metagame.

B+ Rank:

Arceus-Normal

Arceus-Rock

Blaziken

Gardevoir

Gyarados-Mega

Jirachi

Mawile
Rayquaza-Mega

Skarmory

Slowking

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Swirlix/Slurpuff

Tauros

Victini

B Rank:

Alomomomomomomomola
Altaria-Mega

Audino

Breloom

Excadrill

Gorebyss

Ho-oh

Huntail

Lucario-Mega

Masquerain

Ninetales

/

Pawniard/Bisharp

Porygon-Z
Primal Kyogre

Solrock

Staryu

Thundurus

Tornadus-Therian

Yveltal

B- Rank:

Aerodactyl

Banette-Mega

Darkrai

Ditto

Furfrou

Genesect

Gyarados

Heatran

/

Hippopotas/Hippowdon

Kabutops

Kingdra

Malamar

Manaphy

Mew

Mienshao

Numel

Shaymin-Sky

Shuckle

Surskit

Sylveon

Volbeat

C Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are mediocre in the Averagemons metagame, but have just as many notable flaws that prevent them from being effective. Pokemon in the C tier often require significant support to be effective. Pokemon from this rank tend to face a lot of competition with the more commonly used Pokemon. These Pokemon exert a below average presence in the metagame.

C+ Rank:

Arceus-Ghost

Arceus-Steel

Aurorus

Barbaracle

Charizard-Mega (X)

Deoxys

Ferrothorn

Hitmonlee

Landorus-Therian

Latias

Latios

Ludicolo

Palkia

Reuniclus

Salamence

Scizor

Sigilyph

Swellow

Tangrowth

Togekiss

Vivillon

/

Cottonee/Whimsicott

C Rank:

Aerodactyl-Mega

Alakazam

Arcanine
Arceus-Fairy

/

Bronzor/Bronzong

/

Carvahna/Sharpedo

Cloyster

Crustle

Diancie-Mega

Dragonite

Gardevoir-Mega

Giratina-Origin

Groudon

Hydreigon

Murkrow

Politoed

Qwilfish

Sawsbuck

Staraptor

Trevenant

Tyrantrum

Ursaring

Victreebel

Zangoose

C- Rank:

Azumarill

Basculin

Bibarel

Conkeldurr

Eelektross

Espeon

Farfetch'd

Flygon

Gengar

Honchkrow

/

Frillish/Jellicent

Larvitar

Lopunny-Mega

Lugia

Tyranitar

Xatu

D Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are highly mediocre in the Averagemons metagame, but are viable enough to justify their use on select teams. These Pokemon are only capable of doing their specific task and fail at doing anything more than that. Pokemon from this rank have multiple crippling flaws that prevent them from being successful a majority of the time, and are often severely outclassed because of it. These Pokemon exert a poor presence in the metagame.

Aegislash

Beedrill-Mega

Chansey

Charizard-Mega-Y

Dialga

Diancie

Dustox

Eevee

Garchomp

Klinklang

Landorus-Incarnate

Lilligant

/

/

Magnemite/Magneton/Magnezone

Mewtwo

Ninjask

Rayquaza

/

Roselia/Roserade

Rotom-Wash

Tropius

Zekrom

 

[MAMP]

Prettyfied the VR

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S Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are the pinnacle of the Averagemons metagame. These Pokemon are able to perform a variety of roles very effectively, or can just do one extremely well. Their use has low risk involved and high reward exerted. Pokemon in this rank have very few flaws that are patched up by numerous positive traits. These Pokemon define the metagame.

Clefable

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Nidoking/Nidoqueen
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A Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are fantastic in the Averagemons metagame, and can sweep, support, or wall significant portions of the metagame. These Pokemon require less support than most others to be used effectively and have few flaws that can easily be compensated for when compared to their positive traits. These Pokemon exert a strong presence in the metagame.

A+ Rank:

Chatot

Kecleon

Sableye-Mega

Skrelp

Swoobat

Talonflame

A Rank:

Crawdaunt

Dragalge

Exploud

/

Foongus/Amoonguss

Gliscor

Greninja

Serperior

Wooper

A- Rank:

Corsola

Klefki

Kyogre

Salamence-Mega

Xerneas

/

Zigzagoon/Linoone

B Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are great in the Averagemons metagame. These Pokemon have more notable flaws than those above them that affect how they function in the tier. Their positive traits still outshine their negatives, but they require a bit more team support to bring out their full potential. These Pokemon exert an above average presence in the metagame.

B+ Rank:

Arceus-Normal

Arceus-Rock

Blaziken

Gardevoir

Gyarados-Mega

Jirachi

Mawile
Rayquaza-Mega

Skarmory

Slowking

/

Swirlix/Slurpuff

Tauros

Victini

B Rank:

Alomomomomomomomola
Altaria-Mega

Audino

Breloom

Excadrill

Gorebyss

Ho-oh

Huntail

Lucario-Mega

Masquerain

Ninetales

/

Pawniard/Bisharp

Porygon-Z
Primal Kyogre

Solrock

Staryu

Thundurus

Tornadus-Therian

Yveltal

B- Rank:

Aerodactyl

Banette-Mega

Darkrai

Ditto

Furfrou

Genesect

Gyarados

Heatran

/

Hippopotas/Hippowdon

Kabutops

Kingdra

Malamar

Manaphy

Mew

Mienshao

Numel

Shaymin-Sky

Shuckle

Surskit

Sylveon

Volbeat

C Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are mediocre in the Averagemons metagame, but have just as many notable flaws that prevent them from being effective. Pokemon in the C tier often require significant support to be effective. Pokemon from this rank tend to face a lot of competition with the more commonly used Pokemon. These Pokemon exert a below average presence in the metagame.

C+ Rank:

Arceus-Ghost

Arceus-Steel

Aurorus

Barbaracle

Charizard-Mega (X)

Deoxys

Ferrothorn

Hitmonlee

Landorus-Therian

Latias

Latios

Ludicolo

Palkia

Reuniclus

Salamence

Scizor

Sigilyph

Swellow

Tangrowth

Togekiss

Vivillon

/

Cottonee/Whimsicott

C Rank:

Aerodactyl-Mega

Alakazam

Arcanine
Arceus-Fairy

/

Bronzor/Bronzong

/

Carvahna/Sharpedo

Cloyster

Crustle

Diancie-Mega

Dragonite

Gardevoir-Mega

Giratina-Origin

Groudon

Hydreigon

Murkrow

Politoed

Qwilfish

Sawsbuck

Staraptor

Trevenant

Tyrantrum

Ursaring

Victreebel

Zangoose

C- Rank:

Azumarill

Basculin

Bibarel

Conkeldurr

Eelektross

Espeon

Farfetch'd

Flygon

Gengar

Honchkrow

/

Frillish/Jellicent

Larvitar

Lopunny-Mega

Lugia

Tyranitar

Xatu

D Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are highly mediocre in the Averagemons metagame, but are viable enough to justify their use on select teams. These Pokemon are only capable of doing their specific task and fail at doing anything more than that. Pokemon from this rank have multiple crippling flaws that prevent them from being successful a majority of the time, and are often severely outclassed because of it. These Pokemon exert a poor presence in the metagame.

Aegislash

Beedrill-Mega

Chansey

Charizard-Mega-Y

Dialga

Diancie

Dustox

Eevee

Garchomp

Klinklang

Landorus-Incarnate

Lilligant

/

/

Magnemite/Magneton/Magnezone

Mewtwo

Ninjask

Rayquaza

/

Roselia/Roserade

Rotom-Wash

Tropius

Zekrom

Oml, thank you so much for this! I've been meaning to get around to this but I kept procrastinating on it, you just saved me a ton of work! I'll edit this into the OP

 

[lepton]

your very welcome! i have way too much free time

 

[Bluerain]

So since the baton pass clause is in effect, does Venomoth have a chance at being unbanned? Going by the post about it, that seemed to be the main reason for its banning.

Maybe Smeargle as well, although I'm not sure on that since I can't find the post for it.

 

[Dededork 649]

I'm thinking of a decent set to abuse Final Gambit in this meta, but don't know what item

Ninjask @ Mental Herb / Safety Goggles
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Spe / 4 Atk
Timid Nature
- Final Gambit
- Protect
- U-Turn
- Baton Pass

Suicide mon that kills everything, Protect to outspeed everything that isn't boosted. Can Baton Pass a speed boost, and U-Turn to get out of bad situations.

Also really liking this Trevenant set, SubSeed with Harvest.

Trevenant @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Harvest
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SDef / 4 Def
Calm Nature
- Leech Seed
- Substitute
- Giga Drain
- Will-O-Wisp

EDIT: Thanks sin(pi)

 

[sin(pi)]

I'm thinking of a decent set to abuse Final Gambit in this meta, but don't know what item

Ninjask @ ???
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Final Gambit
- Protect

Suicide mon that kills everything, Protect to outspeed everything that isn't boosted.

Mental Herb blocks Prankster Encore, while Safety Goggles helps with Sand/Hail damage.

or run itemless with thief to hit ghosts

 

[MAMP]

ive been meaning to do this for a while but it kept slipping my mind, sorry bout that!

Venomoth is unbanned. With the recent implementation of Baton Pass clause, it can no longer pass Quiver Dance boosts and thus isn't really broken anymore.

I'll get around to updating the VR soon, but in the meantime, where do y'all think Venomoth should go on the rankings? It still has access to one of the best boosting moves in the game, as well as Tinted Lens.

As well, I want to open up some discussion on the banlist. A few people have raised concerns to me that the tier is not as well balanced as it could be, specifically that a well built stall team is obnoxiously difficulty to break through (looking at u Deathly ♛The King), and that Clefable in particular is very difficult to beat. As well, I've thought for a while that the Nidos are really dumb and restrict teambuilding to a high degree. Do y'all think that we should do something about this, and if so, what should be done?

 

[G-Luke]

Here is simething i could suggest.... Suspect Clefable and Sheer Force.

Clefable is stupidly strong being EXTREMELY versatile with so much sets. Unlike most viable Pokemon in Averagemons, Clefable is 100% better, since every stat gets buffed (its S Ranked in standard where no stat hits 100). Its checks while ok, Clefable easily has a way to get around it, since not every set as the same checks and counters. Unaware Wall, CM Magic Guard, Offensive, Unaware + CM, Bulky SR setter..... yeah thats how good this is. Definately needs to get a look into.

The Nidos are a different story. While they are super restrictive, its because of one thing: Sheer Force. Without Sheer Force the Nidos would simply be good offensive pokes with great coverage options.

 

[The Immortal]

I have unbanned Shedinja. PS! had it implemented incorrectly; it always has 1 HP no matter what its base HP is.

(If it's broken at 1 HP, MAMP can reban, but I doubt it)

 

[MAMP]

I have unbanned Shedinja. PS! had it implemented incorrectly; it always has 1 HP no matter what its base HP is.

(If it's broken at 1 HP, MAMP can reban, but I doubt it)

Thanks TI! With 1 HP Shedinja shouldn't be an issue. In Averagemons it suffers from the same crippling issue as it does in standard tiers, its horrific weakness to hazards and any form of passive damage. Even though its greater speed and attack allow it to more effectively take advantage of the free turns it creates than in standard tiers, I can't see it being too much of a threat.

 

[Kit Kasai]

Thanks TI! With 1 HP Shedinja shouldn't be an issue. In Averagemons it suffers from the same crippling issue as it does in standard tiers, its horrific weakness to hazards and any form of passive damage. Even though its greater speed and attack allow it to more effectively take advantage of the free turns it creates than in standard tiers, I can't see it being too much of a threat.

famous last words before you get rekt by a sab + shed stall team

 

[AnimeGOD]

Some things that look interesting in Averagemons now thanks to ORAS move tutors/ORAS in general/Still may be good.

Pangoro:
Has nice utility in Parting shot, semi-reliable recovery with drain punch, taunt to mess with stall, bulk up if you like boosting, knock off, and a decent movepool with things like the elemental punches and GUNK SHOT.

Kecleon:
dual priority recovery options, nasty plot, PROTEAN, a wide movepool, stealth rocks, knock off, and more.

Yveltal has knock off and some other support options, along with a free life orb boost to dark type attacks and has U-turn.

Blaziken looks pretty stronk. Speed boost, swords dance, baton pass, an actual movepool. What could possibly go wrong?

Deoxys still exists,still has it's unholy movepool and has cosmic power for extra annoyingness. It does have it's crummy typing though.

Too bad Togekiss is fairy type, i would have otherwise use hustle-extremespeed on it for fun.

Wouldn't that be triple priority options? Fake out, Scuker Punch, Shadow Sneak.

 

[vegeta00007]

Surely the meta game is good
But every pokemon having 100 base speed means there will be alot of speed ties hence lot of 50-50 chances :(

 

[Xayah]

Exploud could be a great wallbreaker here with its wide movepool and access to Specs STAB Scrappy Boomburst. Its other moves can be filled up with anything really.

 

[Sunkern]

I can imagine pokemon with items specific to them might do well here

 

[Squawkerz]

I can imagine pokemon with items specific to them might do well here

If you read the OP it says that all of the signature items are banned

 

[Zemyla]

What about Drifloon/Drifblim? It's got two good abilities, one of which is unique to it: Unburden and Flare Boost. Sadly, its movepool doesn't seem that good, but there's at least the seed of a good Pokemon there.

Drifblim @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Unburden
Acrobatics
Knock Off/Sucker Punch
Rest
Hypnosis/Body Slam/Explosion/Sleep Talk

Drifblim @ Flame Orb
Ability: Flare Boost
Shadow Ball
Psychic/Pain Split
Thunderbolt/Pain Split
Trick