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[Beginner] Brawl Mafia - Game over! Rejects and smashlloyd20 win!

Deinosaur said:
if you were really persuaded, you would have to post exactly what was sent to you. I had this problem in M.O.B.
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Actually, it just said that in all my posts, I had to include that phrase, like so:
I'm the inspector, and I'm confirming that Steven Snype is indeed on our side. He get's my full support to lead the village.

So yeah, I can post whatever I want, as long as I post that message exactly. Anyways, I trust Snype a lot more now so No Lynch
 
Deinosaur said:
if you were really persuaded, you would have to post exactly what was sent to you. I had this problem in M.O.B.
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Persuade rules aren't always the same in every game.

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I still not get why everybody is voting no lynch, by the end of the next phase we will just have an innocent down probably this guys leading[sorry,I forgot your name] if he is innocent. If he is not then the mafia has already won, sin putting all our hopes in a single individual is not going to benefit us in any way.
 
Cereza said:
I still not get why everybody is voting no lynch, by the end of the next phase we will just have an innocent down probably this guys leading[sorry,I forgot your name] if he is innocent. If he is not then the mafia has already won, sin putting all our hopes in a single individual is not going to benefit us in any way.
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The no lynch thing is just to ensure that nobody tries to stealth vote while I'm getting information together, which I can only get if everyone, including those who do not trust me, cooperates. We do not want to put any info into mafia, and as it currently stands, I have about half of the player list's role claims and result PMs with more that are still coming in. If you are not going to cooperate, it just makes you a bigger suspect because you are purposely standing in the way of the village's unity. The advantage that the mafia has over us is that they are united and have information about their roles. We're leveling the playing field by uniting the village and limiting the mafia's information about us.

This is enough no lynches to counteract any possible stealth lynch for now. Do not post any more no lynches. I still need more information from those who have not claimed to get an idea of who's a mafioso.
 
Thing is, due to the nature of my PM, I highly doubt that it was the mafia trying to get Steven cleared. Since I could easily do what I've been doing, and just putting the quote in while still saying my mssage I want to, it seems like they are trying to place suspiscion on Snype. Also, Snype's too smart for that. If he was Mafia, he'd be taking a humungous risk right from the start, which isn't too good for the mafia in case they get it wrong. Also, notice how they persuade a new player who might react like they expect to. If Snype had any say in this, I'd guess that he'd target someone with at least some experience to divert attention away from him.

However, an important thing to note is that Snype's role seems too perfect for leader, which could be what mafia planned. However, that could easily be just his role, as being able to survive a kill doesn't sound too farfetch'd. My opinion is that the mafia wouldn't want to take such a huge risk from the start in putting so much attention on a member. And besides, an inspector would be smart enough to call out mafia if they are, and stay silent if they aren't. Oh and so I don't get godkilled:

I'm the inspector, and I'm confirming that Steven Snype is indeed on our side. He get's my full support to lead the village.
 
kingofkongs said:
Thing is, due to the nature of my PM, I highly doubt that it was the mafia trying to get Steven cleared. Since I could easily do what I've been doing, and just putting the quote in while still saying my mssage I want to, it seems like they are trying to place suspiscion on Snype. Also, Snype's too smart for that. If he was Mafia, he'd be taking a humungous risk right from the start, which isn't too good for the mafia in case they get it wrong. Also, notice how they persuade a new player who might react like they expect to. If Snype had any say in this, I'd guess that he'd target someone with at least some experience to divert attention away from him.

However, an important thing to note is that Snype's role seems too perfect for leader, which could be what mafia planned. However, that could easily be just his role, as being able to survive a kill doesn't sound too farfetch'd. My opinion is that the mafia wouldn't want to take such a huge risk from the start in putting so much attention on a member. And besides, an inspector would be smart enough to call out mafia if they are, and stay silent if they aren't. Oh and so I don't get godkilled:

I'm the inspector, and I'm confirming that Steven Snype is indeed on our side. He get's my full support to lead the village.
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If I were a mafia, it's a huge risk to even come out in public and claim BPV/LPV since if I were, I'd either be playing a huge gamble if i get lynched. Remember that the mafia is usually 4 or 5 people, so each role has some significance. There is no leeway for useless roles, whereas the village may have roles such as announcer. So if I were a mafia, I'm making a pretty stupid risk. In addition, to claim LPV is also stupid as it requires my team to have a one-time lynch stopper or something of that regard, which is pretty stupid to waste on a public person as the only time he would be lynched is if he is not trusted at all by the villagers, in which case it's pointless to use the lynch stop if said mafia member is going to be hooked/killed/lynched the next day, which is likely what will happen. Something important to notice is that I have a flavor of my lynch stop: the Armor Suit, a characteristic that is only with a Playable Character. Afaik, none of the bosses would have an Armor Suit characteristic, and since the playable characters are different from the bosses and the rejects, it is unlikely that the flavor in the update will fit a mafia's characteristic. Also, if you do lynch me, then congratulations village, you have just made a villager useless and no mafia has died.
 
Just a friendly reminder, please make sure not to break any restriction you might have, if any.

Also, if you have any questions of any results you may or may not have gotten, make sure to ask. Me and aura are here to help.
 
Gentlemen, I have our first lynch target: undisputed.

When the Day 1 Update was posted, I found this result PM from Deinosaur, which he may confirm in this thread publicly.

Deinosaur said:
auramaster said:
You visited undisputed last night, planning to throw Mr. Saturn at him, but there was some kind of spinning forcefield protecting him. You couldn't reach him with Mr. Saturn, so you gave up and returned to your spot on the ground without doing anything.
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Now, as per the flavor of this result PM, Deinosaur was not hooked. A safeguard had to have been on undisputed, which prevents all roles. I do have a villager safeguard claim, but when I talked to him via forum PM (name I shall not reveal for his/her own safety), the safeguard responded that he/she did not target anyone Night 0.

<snip> said:
Steven Snype said:
<snip> said:
Dear <snip>,
you are Pit.

You are a small angel boy from Kid Icarus. Somehow getting trapped in the Underworld, Palutena gives you a magic bow and sends you off to defeat Medusa, as you traversed through many perilous dungeons and traps with your iconic angel wings and bow. Originally watching the fight from above, when the Hands asked for help, you flew down to aid the Playable Characters, with Palutena’s permission, of course.

At night, you may send a PM to loudkirbyking and auramaster titled, “Night X - Put shield up in front of <user>”, you will guard <user> with your magical shield, blocking all non-killing attempts at them.

You are allied with the Playable Characters, you win if all threats are eliminated.

Yeah, I would have put in quotes but I'm on a phone right now.
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okay. did you target anyone?
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Not yet, would you like me to?
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So, after a rather interesting conversation with undisputed, he said something that is very peculiar. I shall bold the parts in this log that are relevant. The rest of it provides context.
[23:24:15] <undisputed> do you know the inspector?
[23:24:17] <undisputed> probably not
[23:24:25] <undisputed> hes not on your sheet at least
01[23:24:36] <StevenSnype> you probably don't even know your "inspector" is villager.
[23:24:43] <undisputed> oh really
[23:24:46] <undisputed> what if he contacted me
[23:24:48] <undisputed> ???
01[23:24:51] <StevenSnype> and could be lying.
[23:24:57] <undisputed> oh really
01[23:24:57] <StevenSnype> mafia inspector
[23:25:06] <undisputed> theres a mafia inspector?
[23:25:09] <undisputed> how do you know this
01[23:25:10] <StevenSnype> why the hell wouldn't there be
01[23:25:23] <StevenSnype> the mafia needs some way to get info from us. it's common sense on balance.
[23:25:25] <undisputed> they usually know what they need anyway
[23:25:30] <undisputed> the most theyd need is like
01[23:25:33] <StevenSnype> no.
01[23:25:35] <StevenSnype> the mafia
01[23:25:40] <StevenSnype> knows who's in their faction
01[23:25:43] <StevenSnype> and what abilities they have
01[23:25:51] <StevenSnype> they don't know: oh look undisputed is a hooker or w/e
01[23:26:02] <StevenSnype> unless explicitly stated in role PM
[23:26:05] <undisputed> what?
[23:26:11] <undisputed> i dont understand that last part
01[23:26:13] <StevenSnype> or random123x is a bodyguard
01[23:26:15] <StevenSnype> it's an example
[23:26:16] <undisputed> they usually know about each other
[23:26:18] <undisputed> i get that
01[23:26:20] <StevenSnype> they know about each other
01[23:26:26] <StevenSnype> but they wouldn't know information about anyone not in their faction
01[23:26:35] <StevenSnype> that's just broken
[23:26:51] <undisputed> i understand that
[23:27:00] <undisputed> but where did i say they would know other people?
[23:27:04] <undisputed> they know who their enemies are
[23:27:11] <undisputed> loosely
01[23:27:15] <StevenSnype> [23:25:25] <undisputed> they usually know what they need anyway
[23:27:15] <undisputed> not knowing the other mafia
[23:27:27] <undisputed> that is 100% true
[23:27:30] <undisputed> they know what they need
[23:27:35] <undisputed> anything else is extra
01[23:27:47] <StevenSnype> they do not know who is bodyguard, who is a mayor, who is an inspector
[23:27:58] <undisputed> true?
[23:28:08] <undisputed> thats the extra part
01[23:28:09] <StevenSnype> they need to find out that information
01[23:28:11] <StevenSnype> that's not extra
01[23:28:13] <StevenSnype> that's necessary
01[23:28:15] <StevenSnype> for everyone
[23:28:17] <undisputed> its as much a luck of the draw as rand killing
[23:28:27] <undisputed> the village needs it much more
[23:28:29] <undisputed> knowing nothing
01[23:28:58] <StevenSnype> if you check
01[23:29:01] <StevenSnype> almost every game
01[23:29:05] <StevenSnype> all the factions
01[23:29:14] <StevenSnype> have at least 1 form of inspection
[23:29:30] <undisputed> in my exp its not a full role pm getter
[23:29:40] <undisputed> soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
01[23:29:43] <StevenSnype> in my experience
01[23:29:44] <StevenSnype> it has
01[23:29:47] <StevenSnype> see: Mythology
01[23:29:58] <StevenSnype> see: Everybody Starts Somewhere
01[23:30:04] <StevenSnype> See: Anything Goes
01[23:30:10] <StevenSnype> Desperate had a full inspect
[23:30:24] <undisputed> whatever, i dont care
[23:30:28] <undisputed> its not even relevant
[23:30:29] <undisputed> to the plan
01[23:30:30] <StevenSnype> yes it is
[23:30:40] <undisputed> i know at least one inspector
01[23:30:42] <StevenSnype> it's completely relevant based on who you tell
[23:30:44] <undisputed> so yeah
[23:30:45] <undisputed> have fun
01[23:30:49] <StevenSnype> you have a claim of an inspector
01[23:30:54] <StevenSnype> you do not know of an inspector
01[23:30:57] <StevenSnype> unless you are an inspector
[23:31:03] <undisputed> i am not an inspector
[23:31:09] <undisputed> and i pretty much know the claim is true
[23:31:13] <undisputed> since they got my full role
[23:31:16] <undisputed> and showed it to me

now that's fine and all if an inspect was possible to claim to him. However, safeguards generally do not prevent only martyr distracts, but not inspection results. Therefore, someone is lying to me. The most likely theory is that undisputed is a mafia whose teammate safeguarded him to prevent any randspections coming his way since he is an experienced player and he is bluffing about an inspector contacting him with his full role PM. That being said, if anyone else has an idea on who this inspector is, I would like to know who and for the time being, I advise against trusting anyone claiming full inspect. I shall be on IRC later today to talk.

for those of you who tl;dr:

lynch undisputed
 
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