Blissey substitutes....

You are really missing the point here. Didn't you read the post on the first page that I emphasized twice by now? If Blissey was banned, nearly every Special sweeper requires some kind of overspecified counter. Yes, this kind of happened to physical walls already, but fortunately the physical walls are of a better quality than Blissey's Special alternatives.

Why is such an abominality allowed? Just because of certain special threats otherwise shredding us apart? Well hello, we don't seem to have troubles with stuff like Garchomp, Metagross or Machamp now do we? Despite their ability to shred apart teams without a physical wall.
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Do you want this to happen on BOTH sides of the spectrum or would you mind just taking Blissey to cover 90% of the Special threats and then being able to actually focus the rest of your team towards the handful that gets past Blissey as well as physical attackers and establish your own offense?

So yeah a Nasty Plot Porygon-Z can 2HKO her. In the meantime said PorygonZ will get TWaved on the Plot turn
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Just putting this sentence here made your post more worthless than it already was.
 
Lou Cypher said:
The way you keep defending Blissey really makes it seem as if Blissey should be uber, no?
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If that was the case mixed sweepers wouldn't exist.

They existed in GSC but never even took off till after the McGar due to Skarmbliss and EV system being rehauled. They more or less came about due to the fact Bliss could be countered it just required baiting. Nothing better than Gengar who upto that point thrived off special attack.
 
Yes, let us use the inferior Hitmonlee
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There's nothing inferior about a physical Pokemon that kicks the crap out of Skarmbliss with ease.

Mekkah, you speak the truth in your defence of Blissey and I can't believe people are still arguing it should be uber. But if you don't mind me asking, what is it that you personally have against Blissey? I've heard you voicing your distaste towards her on more than one occasion. It's obviously not the aesthetics or the popularity...is it the lack of skill required to use her, perhaps? I'm genuinelly curious. :heart:
 
I just felt like being original, and I am personally not as inclined to win as others. There's a few Pokemon that are amazingly popular in DP and that I will never use simply because I can (Tyranitar and Skarmory are other examples, and I have ditched Cresselia and Hippowdon as well after using them in one or two teams). I'm just too cool for them. :)
 
If you argue that Blissey is the ultimate special wall, that's undeniable. But it isn't difficult replacing her on a team. It's finding a one pokemon replacement that's impossible. For example, we do this with Physical walls, using more than one that cover each others weaknesses. Like using a combination of weaker special walls. It's still doable, but undeniably less effective then just putting the little whore on your team.
 
If it weren't for the fact its best form of recovery is Aqua Ring. I'd try promoting Lanturn as an different kind of sponge, its such a cute fish and resists Boltbeam to boot. Probably one of those cases where resistances make up for stats like mentioned earlier by I believe Aero.
 
Mekkah said:
I just felt like being original, and I am personally not as inclined to win as others. There's a few Pokemon that are amazingly popular in DP and that I will never use simply because I can (Tyranitar and Skarmory are other examples, and I have ditched Cresselia and Hippowdon as well after using them in one or two teams). I'm just too cool for them. :)
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For the record, thanks to Regice’ 100 base Sp. Atk and STABed Ice Beam, it does much more damage than Blissey could ever hope to do. It has 75 Sp. Atk and no STAB, so there’s an advantage for Regice... clearly opposite of the “advantage” Blissey had in your version of the story. I will never understand why you diehard blissey fans will do anything to protect the integrity of your pink blob -_-

Blissey may be the toughest sponge in the game, but Regice can replace it situationally, especially if your team actually needs offense. Blissey is the best special wall, but Cradily and Regice can fight back.

Oh yeah. Regice resists Hail and Cradily resists Sandstorm, so theres two Blissey substitutes right there, each to their own purpose. If Mantine got roost, it could do pretty good, oh why, why do you hate Mantine Nintendo?!

So since this thread is about Blissey substitutes, how about we discontinue arguing about whether Blissey is best or not (really folks, give up, we all know it is) the original poster wanted substitutes. 204 HP 252 DEF 52 SP. DEF Calm Regice is a good one, (but seriously, watch out for stealth rocks!!!!) and SS Cradily is another.
 
The best Blissey substitute is actually Chansey.

If Blissey was banned, then Chansey would become the most used Pokemon on Shoddy Battle.
 
skiddle, Mekkah doesn't use Blissey and hasn't done so for a long time. You could say he has kicked the habit...which is quite a fitting term considering the dependancy a lot of people develop towards Blissey!

Read the post next time. :)
 
If people feel that they can't win without Blissey, let them. It only makes it sweeter when you beat them with your non-Blissey team. Whining about Blissey only makes you look childish, so let your victory do the talking. After all, they win because they use overpowered shit, but you win by skill.

And take it from someone who never used Blissey: Specsmence is not a problem without her boring ass. Either is Raikou or Alakazam. That argument is ridiculous.

The alternative to Blissey? Resistances and prediction.
 
Lee said:
skiddle, Mekkah doesn't use Blissey and hasn't done so for a long time. You could say he has kicked the habit...which is quite a fitting term considering the dependancy a lot of people develop towards Blissey!

Read the post next time. :)
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REALLY!? I'm sorry, Mekkah : (

I thought you were like a fearless blissey defender or something :P

I'll go edit that out now... *feels stupid*
 
skiddle said:
For the record, thanks to Regice’ 100 base Sp. Atk and STABed Ice Beam, it does much more damage than Blissey could ever hope to do. It has 75 Sp. Atk and no STAB, so there’s an advantage for Regice... clearly opposite of the “advantage” Blissey had in your version of the story. I will never understand why you diehard blissey fans will do anything to protect the integrity of your pink blob -_-
And you will never understand that we are merely exposing the facts instead of warped statements that people who hate Blissey for idiotic reasons propagate and effectively regard as objective. Blissey can raise its own Special Attack, as well as Special Defense, with Calm Mind, so there goes Regice's offensive advantage.

Blissey may be the toughest sponge in the game, but Regice can replace it situationally, especially if your team actually needs offense. Blissey is the best special wall, but Cradily and Regice can fight back.
Anything can "fight back". I can list the advantages Luvdisc has over Blissey and call it "fighting back". Just because something can "fight back" doesn't mean it will succeed in doing so.

Oh yeah. Regice resists Hail and Cradily resists Sandstorm, so theres two Blissey substitutes right there, each to their own purpose. If Mantine got roost, it could do pretty good, oh why, why do you hate Mantine Nintendo?!
To respond to your second statement, is a quadruple weakness to Electric and "because that's how the game is" really that hard to accept? This debate is over what is presently in the game, not some preposterous hypothetical situation that you posture. Additionally, Blissey can exceed both Regice and Cradily in special defensive capabilities even in adverse weather, and match them without any EVs in Special Defense; on the other hand, Regice and Cradily need nature and EV boosts to even rival Blissey.

So since this thread is about Blissey substitutes, how about we discontinue arguing about whether Blissey is best or not (really folks, give up, we all know it is) the original poster wanted substitutes. 204 HP 252 DEF 52 SP. DEF Calm Regice is a good one, (but seriously, watch out for stealth rocks!!!!) and SS Cradily is another.
The only reason that discussion over Blissey persists is that people keep proposing absurd reasons to use a substitute for it.
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Oh good god. No offence, but all these "substitutes" cannot touch Blissey at all. You just make BS excuses to "hate" Blissey like she has "no offence" then bring up Regice. That is just hilarious. At least Blissey has CM...
And Blissey is not ugly at all. She is cute. :) Cuter than a hunk of ice.
 
Saturn said:
Oh good god. No offence, but all these "substitutes" cannot touch Blissey at all. You just make BS excuses to "hate" Blissey like she has "no offence" then bring up Regice. That is just hilarious. At least Blissey has CM...
And Blissey is not ugly at all. She is cute. :) Cuter than a hunk of ice.
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Heh, it's true. I may be a mixed tier player in OU, and I don't use Blissey, but I actually do like Blissey quite a bit. I feel that there's many new sets still left in that egg of hers, and I intend to dig in there and find them!

I would actually use Blissey quite a bit if she had Snore on Shoddy (for some reason she doesn't), since I devised a cool moveset with it for her, but ah well.

She really is an awesome pokemon, and although Chansey isn't as fat, hey, fat is insulation! She is an amazing special wall, and I totally agree with everyone here that she cannot be replaced in any way, shape, or form under normal circumstances, and even then, the only things that can slightly catch up to her totally fail when she starts adding EVs.

Don't be hatin on Blissey just because she's big. She may be easy to use, but heh there are cool sets that allow her to wall better than most pokemon and still do good damage too.

IE. SpecsBliss is awesome at doing nice damage with BoltBeam and STILL walls special attackers better than anything, but it's a newer set and no one ever tries it, why not give it a try? Just stick Rest on the set with Natural Cure, or Softboiled with Serene Grace, and it's a menace to all.

Same goes for Gravity Abuse SpecsBliss with Thunder/Blizzard/Fire Blast/Rest or Softboiled, which is super-deadly with Gravity on the team.

Heh, Blissey is awesome and will always be. Never forget that! Blissey CAN be subbed, but the special walling will have to be done by 2 or 3 pokemon on the team with resistances as opposed to just that 1 Blissey.

I just don't use her because I'm trying to use lesser used pokemon. But since I'm a mixed player, Blissey might find her way onto at least one of my teams sometime.

Seriously, anything trying to be a sub for Blissey is going to be known as Blissey Jr.
 
Bologo said:
I would actually use Blissey quite a bit if she had Snore on Shoddy (for some reason she doesn't), since I devised a cool moveset with it for her, but ah well.
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Going to wager that it's because she doesn't learn Snore in-game either. Is it from an event or something?
 
For the record, thanks to Regice’ 100 base Sp. Atk and STABed Ice Beam, it does much more damage than Blissey could ever hope to do. It has 75 Sp. Atk and no STAB, so there’s an advantage for Regice... clearly opposite of the “advantage” Blissey had in your version of the story. I will never understand why you diehard blissey fans will do anything to protect the integrity of your pink blob -_-
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Considering Regice counters will often resist Ice, he will often be stuck doing NVE damage whereas Blissey Seismic Tosses everything for guaranteed damage. Which edge? Also Calm Mind.

Blissey may be the toughest sponge in the game, but Regice can replace it situationally, especially if your team actually needs offense. Blissey is the best special wall, but Cradily and Regice can fight back.
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Heh, sorry no, Cradily can not fight back. Not without Swords Dancing two times and hitting SE or something, but in the meantime Blissey could get Calm Minds anyway. Saying Blissey's offense sucks then going "Cradily fights back" is evidently a double standard.
 
Just one question, isn't that bug/fighting heracross in almost every team and would in fact murder Blissey? Why are we even talking about Hitmonlees/Persians if Heracross takes it out on sight?

Yeah, I have been looking for a special sponge, and there is quite a bit missing there.
 
Heracross is very common, but far from in every team. Just about every Fighting Pokemon can murder Blissey with physical Fighting attacks, anyways, and Heracross's Guts is useless if Blissey uses Sing and Heracross doesn't have Sleep Talk (most don't); additionally, Heracross dislikes paralysis even if it nets a Guts boost, because the Speed quartering is devastating.
 
infernovia said:
Just one question, isn't that bug/fighting heracross in almost every team and would in fact murder Blissey? Why are we even talking about Hitmonlees/Persians if Heracross takes it out on sight?

Yeah, I have been looking for a special sponge, and there is quite a bit missing there.
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Because Snorlax, Regice, and Cradily are also weak to fighting. Yeah... I don't think Blissey's fighting weak is a big deal. Shuckle gets owned by Stone Edge, and Cresselia gets owned by Crunch, both of which are on TTar, who is even more common than Heracross.

In short, all Special Walls currently have a physical attacker who can completely and totally destroy them, Blissey / Cresselia just have the fewest (Blissey loses to Fighting types, Cresselia loses to Bug/Dark).
 
Roserade to a certain extent, its HP sucks but it has a decent 105 Special Defence, has Natual Cure, Aromatherapy, Synthesis, and the ability to cause status like Sleep Powder... much like Blissey but not as close to as good.
 
infernovia said:
Just one question, isn't that bug/fighting heracross in almost every team and would in fact murder Blissey? Why are we even talking about Hitmonlees/Persians if Heracross takes it out on sight?

Yeah, I have been looking for a special sponge, and there is quite a bit missing there.
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Heracross switches in.
Blissey T-Waves on the switch.

Blissey switches out to Gliscor
Heracross uses Close Combat and Gliscor LOLs.

Even with Guts, Heracross doesn't exactly like T-Wave.
 
Well, actually I forgot about electrivire if we were talking thunderwave which was my other solution. Sorry. Still new.

Yeah, thats true about singbliss. Completely forgot about her, that variety does give her an edge.
 
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