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Afro bull seems really cool.

However, it suffers the same issue Absol did for me (and I like Absol just as much, mind you). It's going to have to rely on a Choice Scarf, even if all its other stats are awesome, because almost everything in OU/BL will outspeed it.

Afro Bull's excellent bulk can be taken away by Agirudaa should it carry Guard Swap. Agirudaa will succeed as it is almost three times faster. Then all Agirudaa has to do is use Bug Buzz or Hidden Power Water to put the nail in Afro Bull's coffin.
 
Why people still preffer Reckless on this guy? It was confirmed in the research thread, that Herbivore gives immunity to grass type moves. It does not reduce to only damaging ones but the powders and leech seed as well. With that, you have immunity to most common sleep inducing moves AND gain a boost to ALL of your attacks, not only the reckoil ones.

Herbivore is both a deffensive/offensive ability while Reckless is purely offensive while reducing Afro Buffalos lifespan severely. Herbivore > Reckless on most ocasions IMO.
 
Wynought said:
I wouldn't want him to live long. Plus, spamming Afro Break is just far too tempting.
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I see, much like spamming Double Edge, I'd assume.

Seriously, though, I can see his niche as 1) a perfect counter to Spore Smeargle, and 2) a great offensive wall. The Buffafro is definitely getting a place on my first laddering team after the metagame stabilizes.
 
Personally I like Herbivore more since not only does it grant an immunity to grass but far as I recall it was also shown to grant immunity to Stun Spore, Leech Seed, Sleep Powder and Spore. Thats a pretty good tradeoff imo over a slowass suicidal glass cannon Buffalo since you even have a way of restoring HP.
 
Forsety said:
Personally I like Herbivore more since not only does it grant an immunity to grass but far as I recall it was also shown to grant immunity to Stun Spore, Leech Seed, Sleep Powder and Spore. Thats a pretty good tradeoff imo over a slowass suicidal glass cannon Buffalo since you even have a way of restoring HP.
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Uuuum, Herbivore does not restore HP like Water/Volt Absorb does. It gives a +1 attack boost. Other then that I agree with what you said. Herbivore is superior to Reckless in all ways IMO.
 
lol Lee has the best sarcastic comments.


Baffuron is bulky as fuck, and that's the bottom line, its bulkier than Tauros even with Intimidate, and its much more scary offensively, with things like Megahorn to take out walls like Tangrowth and do some serious neutral damage to Venusaur. And Afro Break is fucking godly.
 
pokemon said:
lol Lee has the best sarcastic comments.


Baffuron is bulky as fuck, and that's the bottom line, its bulkier than Tauros even with Intimidate, and its much more scary offensively, with things like Megahorn to take out walls like Tangrowth and do some serious neutral damage to Venusaur. And Afro Break is fucking godly.
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Actually, Tauros with Intimidate is potentially much bulkier, but I could see Herbivore and Megahorn making Baffuron better suited in the current UU environment. Also, can someone explain this hype of Afro Break? I just think it's essentially Double Edge with less recoil. Am I missing something?
 
Tauros with Intimidate is bulkier on the physical side and only against the Pokemon who he switches into provided that Pokemon doesn't have Clear Body/White Smoke/Competitive Spirit/Hyper Cutter. After that all bets are off.

And yes, Afro Break is just Double-Edge with 1/4 recoil instead of 1/3. It's particularly good on Baffuron in conjunction with his high HP and Reckless but I think people are primarily just excited that about the whole afro thing.
 
Pit[y]Lord said:
Uuuum, Herbivore does not restore HP like Water/Volt Absorb does. It gives a +1 attack boost. Other then that I agree with what you said. Herbivore is superior to Reckless in all ways IMO.
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Ah sorry got it wrong, but yeah point still stands that he has ways of switching in.
 
Edit: Nevermind.

Is Herbivore confirmed or is it still speculation? And will the huge decrease in Double-Edge clone's power make Herbivore worth using?
 
Herbivore
Great ability to help counter Leaf Storm spamming Jaroda, and Baffuron isn't weak to Hidden Power Ice or Fire.
Futher more it can OHKO Jaroda back with +1 boost Megahorn.
 
At first sight, I turned away from it due to its base speed, but this actually has potential. With 95/95/95 defenses, backed by 110 Attack, this can be a bulkier slower Tauros. I'm eager to try this out.
 
Gosh, this thing is ugly.

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I want one. I like its stats and movepool. He just screames "physical tank". Those all around defences are just like it's afro, possibly THE afro.
 
I was going to make another topic, but I needed to humble some honchos.

Like a villain out of Samurai Jack, Buffafron rears his groovy head in GenV.

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Before I rant on about why this guy doesnt give a shit bout you and your little fetish with tauros who is a bull, let me give a little history. Back in 1975, Shigeru Miyamoto got drunk with Satoshi Tajiri deep in the heart of texas at a discobar when they were young. They both had pokemon thought out already and how shit was gonna go down, when they saw a mechanical bull at a section of the bar. It looked something like this.

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(that guy next to it is just some bamf who invented the move Swagger)

"CHIKUSHOO" Our lovely japanese buddies exclaimed. "Thats going in pokemon" Originally pokemon was going to be some epic as shit pick your own adventure book with like 9732 pages to it, but then video games came out. Well anyway, the bull. No western big shot could conquer the monster. The idea was already written in satoshi's little notebook for some badass bull thing with like three tails and jewels on its head. (steel types werent invented, because they both said that that would be a retarded imbalanced type and then they'd have to make it electric, LOL ELECTRIC). Suddenly, some black dude came into the bar and discoed over to the bull. He hopped on it and rode that bull through a whole 'Kool and the Gang' melody. He popped off that thang and danced with the asian amateurs til dusk, mentioning he used to ride buffalos back home. Too hungover, both the japanese juggalos forgot about him the next morning waking up in some saloon. Flash forward 35 years into the future, Miyamoto was flipping through his photo album and a hidden picture came out of the seam. It was a picture of him and Satoshi with afro man in front of the bull. It was signed "To M and T; Love Gary Oak" That night hit his mind like a afrobreak to the ribs. Do I need to explain further?

Ok, lets talk about the beehived carcharhinus leucas.

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Apply any james brown quote to this image​

AVERAGE KEYBOARD! He's normal typing. Good, as there is no other appropriate typing for something with an afro that large. And hes a buffalo. Sweet. Let's look at

STATISTICALS

HP 95
ATTACK 110
DEFENSE 95
SP. ATK 40
SP. DEF 95
SPEED 55

Look at that bulk mmph but that afro slows him down, well when was the last time you heard the term 'aerodynamic afro'? With that bulk, hes defintely got the stats to be dabbled with in OU. Still a shame he's soaked in Aunt Jemima's syrup when it comes to speed.
ABILITY TIME! Reckless is there for the less-educated 12 yr-olds to look at it and go "YO POWWA DAT BULL UP" What a bunch of ignormooses (lol). Herbivore is where it is at. Now that this thang eats veggies all day long, a variety of nooks appear viable in the OU situation. You'll be running this afromonster with 4x grass weak guys ofc. (Swampert obv, then rhyperior and that ninja turtle could be handy despite solid rock) Bam, you come in on some jackass trying to use grass (dont even think about trying to say grass isnt a common move type now that this covers what I will cover ina second) and Afromadadoor is on the scene with an afro twice as large then usual. Oh and he vegs out on non-attack grass too? LOL hope you subbed up breloom. And then all that jazz after spore also. You have oppurtunities now.

MOVAGE!
You got all this good stuff, use it. Afrobreak is your stab, love it, and dont worry about buffamon living too long, SE EQ megahorn are all lovely attacks. Be creative hes got protect, sub, SD and taunt. A bunch of other moves might be nice. If you REALLY REALY HATE that goddamn mushroom with fists, oh look aerial ace (i dont know how OU will roll, but hey herbivore is only shared by one other poke, a mojorotoy of the time baffuron wont be seen coming). ill be quick on items, CB it if you wanna hit hard, or play ballsy with a sub/sd/taunt if you scouted the fool and throw a LO on it.

Jimi says you should all play nice now.
 
Baffuron is not to be taken lightly. With Nattorei being one of the most (if not the most) used Pokemon at the moment, Baffuron has plenty of chances to get in on some Herbivore action. All Nattorei can do against the mighty fro'd buffalo/bull is thunder wave or set up field hazards, as Buffuron's too slow for Gyro Ball to really dent him (especially with his defenses), and all grass moves are useless.

The problem from there is figuring out what the hell to do. Without Swords Dance, Nattorei is not exactly immediately afraid of the great mighty afro, but it will die to repeated +1 attacks. However the worry that Nattorei might just explode on you is there.

Another seemingly pervasive threat is Erufuun, the Mischevious Heart Cotton Pokemon. All of it's spores and seeds are eaten up by Herbivore, and it's immediately scared off by Megahorn.

With this in mind, both Baffuron and Mebukibjika (though it has to watch out for Gyro Balls from Nattorei, however unlike Baffuron, it gets Jump Kick to use against it) serve as good counters to these seemingly common Pokemon. They both also scare off Jaroda, and nearly any grass type around not named Breloom.

A swords dance set is possible with Baffuron, but without priority or speed, it might be iffy. Still, an SD coming off of 110 base attack sounds familiar to Lucario, does it not? Coupled with Herbivore and solid defenses, it's not incredibly difficult to get switch ins either. The problem then comes to choosing moves. Afro Break is a great STAB move to keep handy, and Megahorn seems to be a popular choice for dealing with grass types, but honestly, unless you're dealing with Jaroda or Tangrowth, Afro Break will probably rip the grass type to shreds regardless. Wild Bolt, Earthquake and Stone Edge all look like nice coverage as well, but it will ultimately depend on the threats of the metagame and the tier Baffuron finds itself in. Though honestly, thanks to Herbivore and well distributed states, Baffuron should be able to find itself usage in nearly any tier.
 
Pentao said:
Baffuron is not to be taken lightly. With Nattorei being one of the most (if not the most) used Pokemon at the moment, Baffuron has plenty of chances to get in on some Herbivore action. All Nattorei can do against the mighty fro'd buffalo/bull is thunder wave or set up field hazards, as Buffuron's too slow for Gyro Ball to really dent him (especially with his defenses), and all grass moves are useless.

The problem from there is figuring out what the hell to do. Without Swords Dance, Nattorei is not exactly immediately afraid of the great mighty afro, but it will die to repeated +1 attacks. However the worry that Nattorei might just explode on you is there.

Another seemingly pervasive threat is Erufuun, the Mischevious Heart Cotton Pokemon. All of it's spores and seeds are eaten up by Herbivore, and it's immediately scared off by Megahorn.

With this in mind, both Baffuron and Mebukibjika (though it has to watch out for Gyro Balls from Nattorei, however unlike Baffuron, it gets Jump Kick to use against it) serve as good counters to these seemingly common Pokemon. They both also scare off Jaroda, and nearly any grass type around not named Breloom.

A swords dance set is possible with Baffuron, but without priority or speed, it might be iffy. Still, an SD coming off of 110 base attack sounds familiar to Lucario, does it not? Coupled with Herbivore and solid defenses, it's not incredibly difficult to get switch ins either. The problem then comes to choosing moves. Afro Break is a great STAB move to keep handy, and Megahorn seems to be a popular choice for dealing with grass types, but honestly, unless you're dealing with Jaroda or Tangrowth, Afro Break will probably rip the grass type to shreds regardless. Wild Bolt, Earthquake and Stone Edge all look like nice coverage as well, but it will ultimately depend on the threats of the metagame and the tier Baffuron finds itself in. Though honestly, thanks to Herbivore and well distributed states, Baffuron should be able to find itself usage in nearly any tier.
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You're also forgetting Viridion or whatever. The new legendary Grass/Fight. It outspeeds both Mebukijika and Baffuron and packs a somewhat respectable 90 base attack and more than enough fighting-type moves to shut down either of the Herbivores.
 
ShinyAzelf said:
At first sight, I turned away from it due to its base speed, but this actually has potential. With 95/95/95 defenses, backed by 110 Attack, this can be a bulkier slower Tauros. I'm eager to try this out.
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yes and its also can be sort of a tank in a trick room team with ev's in hp and atk.
 
DialaceStarvy said:
Tauros got some much more powerful moves now thanks to Encourage.

Namely, 135 BP Rock Climb, 150 BP Stone Edge (possibly), 112.5 BP Rock Slide and 120 Zen Headbutt.

This makes Choice Scarf Baffuron almost completely outclassed by Choice Band Tauros. You won't see me using Baffuron any time soon.
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Encourage is only a 30% boost. If all the move has is a high crit rate, that doesn't count. Thankfully you didn't fall for thinking negative effects were nullified and the move got boosted. Anyways, that should be 117 BP Rock Climb, 100 BP Stone Edge, 97.5 BP Rock Slide and 104 BP Zen Headbutt.

Also, Wild Bolt's power is increased by Reckless, so if Reckless really doubles power, that should be on all sets.
 
This strikes me as either a better Herbivore, or my Herbivore, as the movepool is better in my opinion than the Normal/Grass line.

If broken rocks litter Isshu, it may become my Rock Smasher...
 
Besides appearance, it is not similar to Tauros! Afro Break is the same as Double-Edge in Generation 2, before GF decided to make Double-Edge, and the new Volt Tackle have 1/3 recoil. Really, it's just 1/12 of the damage dealt saved, compared to Double-Edge.
 
I personally think that Baffuron's well-rounded defenses combined with very good base Attack and hard-hitting physical move pool (Megahorn, Afro Break, even Giga Impact to end the match on an exclamation point) will translate to him being a serious threat if deployed correctly.

I can't justify to myself putting this mon into NU with the likes of Unown, but if it somehow ends up there, its superior physical sweeping power much like what Sharpedo and Marowak were capable of back in the day would be attractive to most players.

In UU, where Venusaur runs rampant, Herbivore literally eats a predicted Grass attack (yes, folks, Stun Spore and Spore count for this), then either Venusaur or the switch-in get hammered with a +1 attack of choice. Shaymin also won't exactly appreciate having her precious Seed Flare getting cock-blocked, and will most likely spook the opponent into a switch to soften the blow of Megahorn. Mismagius and Spritomb will be a risk vs. reward issue, however, as while it can take Shadow Ball all day, they are more than capable of hitting him hard from the special side with stuff like Psychic and Dark Pulse. Playing against it would be similar to big threats like Heracross in that you'll likely lose at least one mon in the process of learning the set.

In OU, the one to look out for is Breloom. While it can switch in on Spore or Seed Bomb to get the attack boost, the walking shroom still is more than capable of cleaning Baffuron's clock with moves like Superpower (and of course, Machamp will scare it away every time with the threat of a No Guard STAB Dynamicpunch). It's got very good all-around defenses, but it's not that good. As mentioned previously, prediction of something like HP Grass against a Swampert (who enjoys similar bulk and defenses) will be key to getting it in safely and starting to wreck shit. As in the UU tier, it has a complex relationship with Ghost-types, however (Gengar comes to mind).

Ubers is just...no. Shaymin-S is the only real Grass-user in the tier, and her blazing speed means that even if you did score a switch into Seed Flare, Baffuron's likely going to get whacked with something else in its arsenal, and both forms of Giratina are more than capable of bricking his balls with STAB Outrage should their Shadow Ball fail.
 
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