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Yoshi King said:
Good thing, too; that place is a fucking hellhole, full of idiots, people who can't spell/use grammar, etc.

Smashboards I haven't been to in awhile but I don't often have much to contribute, I'll only be going there once the game is released to find out what advanced maneuvers there are in Brawl.
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Good night! Dont go back to Smashboards anytime soon if you're looking for a place to discuss Brawl. Most of the people on those boards are complete pricks who think their opinions are fact. (The rest of the site is pretty good though.)

Anyways, darn good update. I just hope there's a way of alternating between Ivysaur and Squirtle without having to use Charizard. Heavy, slow characters have never been good in the Smash franchize. Thought I doubt it looking at the cycle Sakurai put up.
 
commonyoshi said:
Good night! Dont go back to Smashboards anytime soon if you're looking for a place to discuss Brawl. Most of the people on those boards are complete pricks who think their opinions are fact. (The rest of the site is pretty good though.)

Anyways, darn good update. I just hope there's a way of alternating between Ivysaur and Squirtle without having to use Charizard. Heavy, slow characters have never been good in the Smash franchize. Though I doubt it looking at the cycle Sakurai put up.
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I see an underling has addressed me. What to do...

Heh, I kid. But I assume "Good Night" is some sort of way of saying "I agree"?

Err, I hope you're not talking about Smashboards as if it were the same as Smogon. People here know exactly what the fuck we're doing when it comes to Pokemon, which is why stupid threads about "oh hay guiz I'm making an obvious Chainchomp ripoff but it's definitely original" get locked immediately and we're none too kind about it either. I'd consider Smashboards the definitive Smash site, but yeah, if the members consider their speculations as fact... hahaha. 'swhy I like it here; idiots are rooted out and intelligent people stay to discuss stuff... intelligently.

No offense, but the Brawl site absolutely confirms 100% that you have to use Charizard along with Squirtle and Ivysaur. He may be slow but he'll rip stuff to shreds like Bowser, and he's friggin' Charizard. Though it's one of those things where you really need to be skilled to use them effectively together, like the Ice Climbers.
 
Ganondorf is pretty good, but it's a bit tough to do well tourney-wise with him unless you really know what you're doing. Other than that the heavy characters are generally pretty bad.
 
Blame Game said:
Ganondorf is pretty good, but it's a bit tough to do well tourney-wise with him unless you really know what you're doing. Other than that the heavy characters are generally pretty bad.
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QFT.

From the sounds of Ike's special moves description though they're going to make the heavy characters unflinching with certain attacks (and hopefully before a certain percentage), which is a REALLY great idea as you can just plow through the other guys. The other thing I'm hoping for is that it will take upwards of 150% to KO a super-heavyweight like Bowser... having as much staying power as lighter characters is just stupid to me. I really hope heavier characters will be usable this time around...
 
Charizard may not be slow for one thing, and for another thing, there are now flinchless for some of the heavier characters like Ike.
 
Yoshi King said:
I see an underling has addressed me. What to do...

Heh, I kid. But I assume "Good Night" is some sort of way of saying "I agree"?

Err, I hope you're not talking about Smashboards as if it were the same as Smogon. People here know exactly what the fuck we're doing when it comes to Pokemon, which is why stupid threads about "oh hay guiz I'm making an obvious Chainchomp ripoff but it's definitely original" get locked immediately and we're none too kind about it either. I'd consider Smashboards the definitive Smash site, but yeah, if the members consider their speculations as fact... hahaha. 'swhy I like it here; idiots are rooted out and intelligent people stay to discuss stuff... intelligently.
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Yes, my king yoshi!
"Good night" is just an exclamation like "The horror".

And no, I like the Smogon kind of haughtiness because, you're right, you people do know what you're doing. But right now no one knows what's going on in the head of Sakurai and friends, yet they seem to throw their opinions and predictions around like fact.

"Deoxys for Brawl! You know why? Because he had a freaking movie that's why. he looks cool. No body else deserves it. He would be an interesting character lolz an u shut the &^*@& up!" (I hate it when they say "deserve" :p)

And charizard wouldn't be that bad, I guess. I just dont want to get stuck using a sucky character. Imagine being forced to use Zelda in Melee. Eww...
StrangerDanger said:
Hello? Ganondorf is amazing. DK's a lot of fun, and don't you dare insult my soon-to-be-power-player Ike, or the extremely possible Black Knight. =P
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I agree, but let's face it, they're no Falco or Fox. >_>
 
God. I can imagine Charizard being slower than Squirtle in Brawl. It would make absolutely no sense, but I guess it's balanced.
 
commonyoshi said:
And charizard wouldn't be that bad, I guess. I just dont want to get stuck using a sucky character. Imagine being forced to use Zelda in Melee. Eww...
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I wouldn't think you'd be forced to use Charizard for more than a second or two while switching to Squirtle. Sure, the site says that it's bad to switch too often, but I don't think using Ivysaur for a while, switching to Charizard for a split second, and switching to Squirtle and using it for a while will be too detrimental. It may be a bit more tedious, but you can still skip over Charizard if you don't want to play him.

That being said, I think the players who'll want to use the Pokemon Trainer effectively will need to learn how to use each Pokemon efficiently and learn how to alternate between the three of them at the proper times. I imagine Squirtle will be best for just starting out and poking at the opponent as to pile on little bits of damage very quickly, while Charizard would work best for late game after the other two Pokemon have racked up a bit of damage or when an opponent is at a high percentage and you just need one, powerful blow to send him/her out of the ring. Ivysaur would probably be a balance between Squirtle and Charizard, with decent damage and decent staying power. However, as the saying goes, jack of all trades, master of none.

But hey, if the heavy characters just continue to suck, for me there's always Falco or Sonic if he makes it in (preferably with a Shadow alternate outfit <_<).

evolutia said:
>_> that would look so akward if Charizard moved around at like say Bowser's speed.
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Actually, I can see that happening quite fine. In most media, when Charizard has to move from point A to point B, it's usually flying instead of walking. Judging from its size and body structure, I don't think its walking speed is very good at all. I could see him being a bit faster than Bowser though, if not quite as powerful.

Honestly, I'm even more excited to play the trainer than I am to play as Sonic if he gets in (and I'm quite the Sonic fan), if only because I can finally play as Ivysaur and Charizard, both of which are my favorite evolutions in their respective evolutionary lines and really high up on my favorite Pokemon list (Squirtle's pretty cool too, but it's no Blastoise).
 
I hear a lot of talk about Sonic: of course. But there was a release (and i'm sure Sonius could tell me the source), and it was said they anticipated 2/3 3rd party characters.

I'd like to hear people's predictions on those, at least.

For me, i think Ryu, or any Street Fighter character's completely viable (I think a GBA game and an NES one?), and i doubt anyone's thought about all the Pre-VII Final Fantasy Characters. I can see a Black Mage assist, or Kefka, etc.

What do you guys think about 3rd party?
 
Sonic, Megaman and Solid Snake seem to be the only viable third party candidates unless you count Geno. I could maybe see someone from Street Fighter get in, but I would like to think that the third party characters chosen would be more relevant to Nintendo, and Sonic and Megaman fit the bill I think.
 
Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with Blame Game on this one. Sonic and Megaman are my predictions of the 3rd party characters to land a spot in the game.

Honestly, I think Sonic is already a shoe-in due to the fact that Nintendo and Sega both have expressed interest in seeing Sonic in Brawl, not to mention an interview where a higher-up at Nintendo (I want to say Sakurai himself if memory serves, but I can't remember the name 100%, so don't quote me on this. It'll try to find the interview a bit later though) had already stated that Nintendo were all ready and set to add Sonic in and are just waiting for Sega's permission. Sonic was also, if I remember correctly, the most wanted 3rd party character according to a poll that Nintendo took. Knowing that, not including Sonic would be...well, it's Smash Bros, so it's going to rock whatever the outcome, so I'm not going to say financial suicide. But they would be gaining alot of selling power with Sonic in. Add the news of the new Mario and Sonic game coming out, and I see very little reason for Sonic not to make it. Though the game itself looks a bit iffy, it shows that Nintendo and Sega can work together and aren't afraid to put their two mascots together in a single game. But nothing is set in stone until people play as Sonic in the retail version, so nothing is for sure at the moment.

Megaman would be the only other character I can think of that's even remotely as iconic as Sonic, Mario, and to a lesser extent Snake, to have appeared on a Nintendo console. That and I could imagine a possible moveset already with his neutral special being a charge beam similar to Samus'.

So unless Nintendo really pulls something weird (I have heard a possible rumor that Rayman was supposed to be the third 3rd party character instead of Megaman based on a promotional custom poster of Brawl in Gamestop, seen here: http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f369/nuckles87/thumb_184.jpg?t=1186441490. Sixth top on left reportedly. I doubt Gamestop would falsely advertise characters that weren't supposed to appear in the game.), I'm pretty confident that Sonic and Megaman will both make it as the other 3rd party characters in Brawl alongside Snake.
 
*shrug* Wish I could say I did it myself, but alas, I don't even have Photoshop. I got the picture from here: http://www.sonicstadium.org/sonicnews/315/.

It has long been speculated that Sonic might be in Nintendo's upcoming fighter Super Smash Bros Brawl. Now, two of North America's biggest game related retailers, Best Buy and GameStop, haven added even more fuel to the fire, by apparrently including Sonic in their own SSBB ads. Keep in mind that these ads where made by their respective retail companies, and are by NO MEANS a confirmation of Sonic being in the game. This stuff isn't from Nintendo or SEGA. These ads are very simple cop y and paste affairs using pre-exisiting CGI promotional images from SEGA and Nintendo. Such practices are very common among retailers that make their own ads, and the Wii logo in the ad used below is very commonly used in makeshift (fake) box shots in GameStop ads.

These ads are not supposed to be a confirmation of Sonic's existance in SSBB, nor are they official images from Nintendo or Sega. These are photoshopped ads using pre-existing CGI images. The first one is using a fan created fake box art, and is being used as place holder box art in several GameStops. The second one was pasted together by Best Buy.

The first one was snapped at a New Jersey GameStop, and has been confirmed to be 100% real:

[insert picture I linked to in the last post here]
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Obviously, as it is a Sonic board, the fact that this could mean a possible conformation for Sonic is why it is regarded so highly (before the mods had to do 'damage control' XD), but there was talk about who the 6th top guy on the left was, and most said it was probably Rayman.

Of course, these are all rumors as far as Rayman is concerned, so I wouldn't count him in quite yet, and I probably wouldn't count Sonic in just yet either. But as I said in the last post, it's my firm and honest belief that retailers wouldn't falsely and openly advertise characters who are not in the game, lest they get into huge shit with Ninty.
 
Thunderhorse said:
I imagine Squirtle will be best for just starting out and poking at the opponent as to pile on little bits of damage very quickly, while Charizard would work best for late game after the other two Pokemon have racked up a bit of damage or when an opponent is at a high percentage and you just need one, powerful blow to send him/her out of the ring.
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Haha, I'm going to have to disagree with you on this. Smash is all about combos. Having Charizard for that last, powerful attack just wouldn't be practical.
 
That brings up something else. How fluent will PT be? Say charizard has some Side out move, would you have enough time to switch to Squirtle/Ivysaur and stop their recovery?

The pictures seem to hint at how fast the changes go, but i hope they're faster than they look.

What do you guys think?
 
And I disagree with you, commonyoshi. We have no idea how good or bad or anything any of these characters are going to be. If charizard has an aerial with killing potential anything like ganon's fair, I can see it easily being brought out to finish a character who had been previously combo'd by either of the previous pokemon. I don't see it being a huge issue, especially if the characters can each be used effectively on their own.

On a slightly unrelated note, ivysaur upB = petal dance/magical leaf? (bowser/dk upB clone). Only thing I can see working, really. If it did use its vines to recover, it would probably be a sort of "hookshot" to grab the side of the stage like link/YL/samus have.

edit: @above poster: it's probably like zelda/sheik speed
 
commonyoshi said:
Imagine being forced to use Zelda in Melee. Eww...
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Hey, I like using Zelda in Melee. Of course, I'm no master at the game, but still....

Thunderhorse said:
I wouldn't think you'd be forced to use Charizard for more than a second or two while switching to Squirtle. Sure, the site says that it's bad to switch too often, but I don't think using Ivysaur for a while, switching to Charizard for a split second, and switching to Squirtle and using it for a while will be too detrimental...

...That being said, I think the players who'll want to use the Pokemon Trainer effectively will need to learn how to use each Pokemon efficiently and learn how to alternate between the three of them at the proper times.
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I agree with pretty much everything you said. It sounds to me like they are trying to encourage you to use all three Pokémon, and I'm willing to bet it would be the most practical thing to do.

Blame Game said:
Sonic, Megaman and Solid Snake seem to be the only viable third party candidates unless you count Geno.
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I agree, and I would absolutely love to see Geno in the game. Too bad it's probably never gonna happen.

So yeah, the Pokémon Trainer looks to be the most original and/or entertaining new character/feature yet! I can't wait to try it.
 
Ivysaur's Vine Whip will very, very likely be his throw a la Hookshot and whatever. His USpec will probably be one of Petal Dance/Magical Leaf/LEAF STORM. Or a reworked something else like Pikachu's "Quick Attack". Like a vertical Solarbeam or something.
 
I never really cared/liked Sonic games except for Sonic Adventure 2 Battle. Perhaps people want Sonic because they want too see Mario vs Sonic duke it out. Sonic is a very very popular choice now that 3rd party characters have a chance of making it in.
 
General Tso said:
Sorry, but I never understood why people want Sonic so much and even if he got in, what kind of moveset would there be?
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It's really all about the ancient Mario/Nintendo vs Sonic/Sega wars back when the Genesis was going head to head with the Super Nintendo. This game in particular - an almost legendary fighting series of its own - would give people the chance to pit Mario vs Sonic in actuality for the first time.

So in essence, nostalgia really. Nintendo and Sega have long since kissed and made up, starting with the Sonic Adventure 2 port for the Gamecube, but people still wonder who would really win in a fight between the two most iconic legends to ever grace the gaming world.

As far as a moveset is concerned, I could easily see a chargeable Spin Dash as Sonic's neutral special and perhaps his Super Peel Out (from Sonic CD, you non-Sonic obsessives XP) would work as his forward special. I haven't given a terrible amount of thought into it, but those are just form the top of my head. His normal moves are easy to imagine as well, mostly punches and kicks deriving from his break dance-inspired battle technique first featured in Sonic Battle, which has stuck with him since. Two techniques from Sonic Battle in particular - the Sonic Flare and the Sonic Updraft - I could easily envision as his forward smash and up smash, respectively. The unnamed break-dancing sweep attack he uses in Sonic 2006 could work very well for his down smash.
 
I personally would hate it if Sonic got in Brawl, but let's face it, it's inevitable. I am not a fan of the 3D Sonic games, the dialogue and gameplay always turned me off. Sonic never seemed fast enough in 3D, at least not as fast as he was in 2D.

Ooooooh, TOTPD.
 
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