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If there's one thing I am really starting to like, it is the fact that people will finally shut the fuck up about how Red at mt silver is the 'hardest trainer' in the game because of a level eighty eight Pikachu. A level eighty eight fucking Pikachu

If all of these information are really true, certainly shows that sinnoh is not messing around anymore
I always thought that title belonged to Cynthia anyway...but she's about to take that title once and for all. YacheChomp with Swords Dance, Nasty Plot Luke with Wise Glasses, the crazy shit her Milotic has going for it...eventually a Serene Grace Togekiss lmao. Red with his Brine Lapras has nothing on this.
 

Red Raven

I COULD BE BANNED!
I always thought that title belonged to Cynthia anyway...but she's about to take that title once and for all. YacheChomp with Swords Dance, Nasty Plot Luke with Wise Glasses, the crazy shit her Milotic has going for it...eventually a Serene Grace Togekiss lmao. Red with his Brine Lapras has nothing on this.
Yeah but a lot of people keep yapping it's Red. Not necessarily on smogon and it's mostly on other platforms like fb for example
 

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In both cases, you can nonetheless tell that the peeps at ILCA who designed the boss fights were clearly having the utmost fun with it.

A large portion of the work that went into this game clearly went into making the boss fights difficult, and at the very least incredibly fun with many well designed movesets, EVs, and items, as well as a few jokes and memes here and there which they clearly put in for the lulz and for some comedic value, which will also be funny in and of itself when we see them in action.

This is gonna be incredibly fun to play. This is an impressive post-game, to say the least. Some absolutely GOATed Trainer battles that are fairly repeatable, sign me up! Not to mention the expanded Underground and Super Contests being better than ever, this will be a fun time.
 
Pokémon games so bad lately that a hard mode in boss fight rematches is what saves a game for some people
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Not just the rematches...Cynthia's team has held items in her first go around. I think this game was clearly designed with a higher difficulty curve in mind. To the point where perhaps the Exp. All might even be justified given the notoriously high levels of the DP Elite Four that this game has drawn from. At the very least, higher experience yields are certainly warranted to combat this level of difficulty.
 

Red Raven

I COULD BE BANNED!
I think that's just because most of the time you end up 10-20 levels below him
Exactly. Red was never a difficult challenge. He was just a massive pain in the ass because his mons are high level. In all honesty, he was never really difficult. Just pure and utter time consuming. All pokemon games are except maybe for bdsp if all these info are true
 
I always thought that title belonged to Cynthia anyway...but she's about to take that title once and for all.
Pokémon games so bad lately that a hard mode in boss fight rematches is what saves a game for some people
Absolute worst case scenario. All I wanted from this game was to teach Carnivine Snap Trap and watch Cynthia apologists break down in tears.

0/10. The simps feel validated, and that bothers me.
 

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I think that's just because most of the time you end up 10-20 levels below him
You see, Red is different from most trainers in that he completely skyrockets the level curve to an unprecedented level. Combine that with the relatively meh pace of HGSS? You’re going to be there a LONG, LONG, time if you wanna catch up to him.

So that’s it, really. Red’s levels, and by default his difficulty are all results of an absolutely bonkers jump in level compared to like, Blue or somethin.
 
Absolute worst case scenario. All I wanted from this game was to teach Carnivine Snap Trap and watch Cynthia apologists break down in tears.

0/10. The simps feel validated, and that bothers me.
Nah fam, objectively that title is hers. Cite me a better constructed NPC team than this one right here:

Spiritomb84
PressureSitrus BerryShadow Ball / Dark Pulse / Will-O-Wisp / Sucker Punch
Porygon-Z85
AdaptabilityExpert BeltHyper Beam / Shadow Ball / Ice Beam / Thunderbolt
Togekiss86
Serene GraceLeftoversAir Slash / Dazzling Gleam / Aura Sphere / Thunder Wave
Lucario86
Inner FocusFocus SashClose Combat / Meteor Mash / Earthquake / Extreme Speed
Milotic84
Marvel ScaleFlame OrbRecover / Mirror Coat / Ice Beam / Scald
Garchomp88
Rough SkinYache BerryDragon Claw / Earthquake / Swords Dance / Poison Jab


Go ahead, I'll wait.
 

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