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[Gypsy]

Was going through BW Cup statistics thought people would be interested to see some stuff I came across, not gonna go into too much detail but might make a video- if there's any combos or specific mons people would be interested in lmk and I can post more. This is data from every replay round 2 onwards throughout the tournament, might be interesting to see what the difference is in the later rounds though.

Overall usage + Combos of 2 - https://pokepast.es/f8ea223ec860ff8e

No surprise seeing Latios and Ttar so high, but a couple things that stood out to me were:

-Jirachi 5th in usage
-Conkeldurr 62% winrate
-Clefable #32 most used pokemon with 81% winrate
Obviously there's a lot of other stuff that could be dug into but those caught my eye, admittedly haven't dived deep- just been messing around looking at stuff after I realised you can dump tournament threads in here and it extracts all the replays: https://fulllifegames.com/Tools/ReplayScouter/#/tournaments

Here's some combinations and some pokemon on their own's stats:

Conkeldurr + Volcarona usage & winrate

Tyranitar + Alakazam usage & winrate

Landorus-Therian + Tyranitar usage & winrate

Politoed + Ferrothorn usage & winrate

Hippowdon + Clefable usage & winrate

Starmie + Dragonite + Jirachi usage & winrate

Volcarona usage & winrate

Conkeldurr usage & winrate

Alakazam usage & winrate

Thundurus-Therian usage & winrate

It goes without saying the quality of this data might not be the best, but that's the entirety of BW Cup so far. For higher quality data it's likely well worth just doing round 4 onwards or something, but I found it interesting and I thought others may too.

 

[dice]

what does it actually mean to be anti-meta in a tier where everything already feels cracked? here’s my latest attempt: peaked #1 and maybe even glugged you on ladder.



I started refining this during BWLT, when ladder teams leaned hard into “sample-y” builds. that shift made sands and rains more predictable. both lean massively on Ferrothorn to force chip and progress. corollary: if Ferro is king, Xatu suddenly has real utility. Xatu makes people play reactively, forcing awkward lines, and in balance mirrors it gives you a nasty trump card.

of course, Xatu’s big problem is the ground rockers. doesn’t mind it. can pivot and annoy. can lead, force a kill, and grab momentum. enter Weavile. the Pokemon everyone loves to talk about but never use, especially since LO Zam became standard. Weavile pressures grounds in ways that synergizes perfectly with Xatu, while also making sure my wincon isn’t stonewalled by stray ghosts. this game, for example, highlights how Weavile can force pressure into these sorts of comps.

Slowking gets a lot of uncessary flak. without hazards on the field, he's pretty annoying to go against. mixed bulk lets it take quirky aggressive lines, spread status, and hard-check Keldeo + Conk. it’s the glue that helps enables Gliscor to go nuclear.

and the Gliscor set is absolutely busted. it drops the traditional defensive role entirely. no EQ, so you’re not checking Drill or Terrak, but SubTect + SD + Facade with para + spikes backing it is incredibly snowbally. once you get it rolling, it turns balance into a snack and you are just granted very easy wins.

and I mean, Ferrothorn and Hippowdon are Ferrothorn and Hippowdon.

you may notice the lack of a scarf. Weavile makes that serviceable, cleaning up speed control duties with Ice Shard. it wasn’t planned, but it ended up a strength.

point is: no matter how “solved” BW feels, there’s always room to push edges and re-invent archetypes. it takes theory, testing, refinement, and a bit of luck, but the results can speak for themselves. appreciate everyone who took the trolling in stride. hope this sparks some ideas. keep cooking, gamers.

 

[BLJ mario]

my goat dice, coming out of retirement to drop a banger team comp and some motivational words and vanish back into the darkness

 

[EG Jhonx~]

Once I arrive home will do a team dump I did during 4 Ladder Tour cycles, while I did give up cuz insane hax I managed to get 1650 lot of times without too much difficult, also will do a metagame explanation and what stuff its rly good atm

 

[EG Jhonx~]

what does it actually mean to be anti-meta in a tier where everything already feels cracked? here’s my latest attempt: peaked #1 and maybe even glugged you on ladder.



I started refining this during BWLT, when ladder teams leaned hard into “sample-y” builds. that shift made sands and rains more predictable. both lean massively on Ferrothorn to force chip and progress. corollary: if Ferro is king, Xatu suddenly has real utility. Xatu makes people play reactively, forcing awkward lines, and in balance mirrors it gives you a nasty trump card.

of course, Xatu’s big problem is the ground rockers. doesn’t mind it. can pivot and annoy. can lead, force a kill, and grab momentum. enter Weavile. the Pokemon everyone loves to talk about but never use, especially since LO Zam became standard. Weavile pressures grounds in ways that synergizes perfectly with Xatu, while also making sure my wincon isn’t stonewalled by stray ghosts. this game, for example, highlights how Weavile can force pressure into these sorts of comps.

Slowking gets a lot of uncessary flak. without hazards on the field, he's pretty annoying to go against. mixed bulk lets it take quirky aggressive lines, spread status, and hard-check Keldeo + Conk. it’s the glue that helps enables Gliscor to go nuclear.

and the Gliscor set is absolutely busted. it drops the traditional defensive role entirely. no EQ, so you’re not checking Drill or Terrak, but SubTect + SD + Facade with para + spikes backing it is incredibly snowbally. once you get it rolling, it turns balance into a snack and you are just granted very easy wins.

and I mean, Ferrothorn and Hippowdon are Ferrothorn and Hippowdon.

you may notice the lack of a scarf. Weavile makes that serviceable, cleaning up speed control duties with Ice Shard. it wasn’t planned, but it ended up a strength.

point is: no matter how “solved” BW feels, there’s always room to push edges and re-invent archetypes. it takes theory, testing, refinement, and a bit of luck, but the results can speak for themselves. appreciate everyone who took the trolling in stride. hope this sparks some ideas. keep cooking, gamers.

I played agaisnt u lot of times, if im not wrong we played 6 games and we ended 3-3 but only cuz i had specific sets that counter that team (Keldeo Lum CM 3atk and other shit), insanely good team in skilled hands. Also I stole ur 6 and made my version, peaked 1670 without lose from 1420, good team

 

[Cow]

Once I arrive home will do a team dump I did during 4 Ladder Tour cycles, while I did give up cuz insane hax I managed to get 1650 lot of times without too much difficult, also will do a metagame explanation and what stuff its rly good atm

the community is on the edge of their seats awaiting your return home

 

[EG Jhonx~]

the community is on the edge of their seats awaiting your return home

LOL FORGOT NOW ILL SHARE SOME PBIN WHILE I ARRIVE HOME TO DO A POST W SPRITES AND STUFF

 

[EG Jhonx~]

While I was playing BWLT I tried a lot of stuff but dropping pastes of the most interesting ones for the moment, I revived Stall in all its power and shine, BW Stall its fucking strong at the moment, but for play Stall correctly u must play at perfect master skill Offense first otherwise its easy to get broke by a well played Offensive pressure

Hail Stall - EG Jhonx (played by Sugarhigh, Mix, Rewer and EG Jhonx)

https://pokepast.es/80f70c506d79e80a

Abomasnow Scarf its probably the best Aboma set on Stall and Offense probably because it lures Keldeo, Rotom-W, deletes Sand fast, lead LandoT most times stays since they dont die to Ice Shard so u kill w fast Blizzard, SubRoost Kyurem PP Stall a lot of stuff and hits hard af, Heatran put SR and ToxTect Stall, u could play Speed maybe for some stuff but u want Sdef for tank Latios and Latias and few stuff like Zam and ThundT, Forretress Phys Def Overcoat to tank Terrakion and EQs from Lando Exca while Spinning, dual Spikes needed to put pressure specially Toxic Spikes, u could swap Gyro Ball for Earthquake but Gyro Ball its better for me, Jellicent act as Spinblock and must be Sdef nature to wall Zam Latis Keldeo and a lot of things with NightShade so Keldeo Sub dont wall, and Gliscor Phys Def w that speed for 243 Speed mons, the Def nature w that spread prevents CB Terrakion StoneEdge 2HKO, I had Substitute over Knock Off but Sub was too MU fish for Raiza and Rewer and Knock Off is more useful to remove Leftovers and Air Balloon helping Gliscor hit EQ to targets and Knock removes Lefties allowing Hail and Toxic Spam be more effective, this Stall its a masterpiece and all players who ran this were kinda undefeated when using this.

Hail Offense - EG Jhonx

https://pokepast.es/3accb90aeea291f9

Aboma Scarf for the reasons told above, KyuB Sub3atk to break easier through anything, LandoT Scarf Superpower to break Ferrothorn Exca TerrakionAirBalloon and Ttar, Exca Shuca MoldBreaker to hit RotomW and 1v1 Scarf Sand Force Exca cuz MoldBreaker nullify SandForce and Shuca let u tank EQ so u kill back, also Shuca let u spin in emergency spots, Slowking acts as Latios Keldeo pivot with that moveset to remove Steels and Conkeldurr while Zam act as soft emergency remover and sweeper

Terrakion Rain - EG Jhonx & EG PkmTrainerBlue-

https://pokepast.es/b2521acbc3e6baaf

Bisharp Rain - EG Jhonx

https://pokepast.es/22e5b82aee37f71b

Tomorrow will upload more.

 

[peng]

just a public service announcement, nobody should be leaving landot in on abomasnow t1 when snow warning goes ahead of intimidate

 

[EG Jhonx~]

just a public service announcement, nobody should be leaving landot in on abomasnow t1 when snow warning goes ahead of intimidate

People not aware of that, so just abuse of it ;)

 

[Cow]

Since my team is out of BWPL, I wanted to share some teams I have used this season. I built quite a bit this season, not specifcally for BWPL but just in general I had that itch to build and felt like I came out with a few interesting teams.

First week vs Fakee. I looked at the scout for like 5 minutes and decided I wanted to use either a Clefable fat structure or some variant of the Rotom-Wash psyspam thats become popular recently. Then it hit me you can literally just use both Pokemon together. How cool. Originally, I was going to use Mew and Excadrill in the Alakazam and Skarmory slots and the Latias was going to be a bulky win condition with Calm Mind, before I realised that actually sucks. The other idea I had with that was using Nasty Plot Mew which probably would have been decent but thats a bit slow, and Mew just becomes a Scarf U-Turn bot especially when that version of the 6 has no good Rocky Helmet users. (Turns out that Hippowdon really enjoys Leftovers who would have thought that). Landed on this 6 after a few minutes of messing around and realised it's indentical to the one Finchinator in SPL. Rotom and Clefable together is pretty interesting, being able to trade moveslots, freeing up one for the other. On this 6, my idea was using Rotom with Thunder-Wave to free up Clefable to use Encore which allows it to more directly check Reuniclus. Only problem with that is that Encore has 8 PP, however Encore can also be used vs threats such as Nasty Plot Celebi and Power Herb Kyurem-Black which usually tends to go for the Substitute on the first turn to avoid taking Status. I opted for a normal Colbur Latias over the Rocky Helmet set Finchinator used because that set is actually horrid. Clefable is a Psychic, you do not need to use Helmet Latias, Clefable, and Alakazam to beat a Tyranitar. I agree after my game that Hippowdon probably does want Ice Fang>Whirlwind/Rock Slide because Gliscor is very frustrating to fight, even with Ice Alakazam and Skarmory and it gets so many free entries on Clefable and Hippowdon but live and learn.

Paste - https://pokepast.es/b5e6324df491064f

Week Three since I was unable to play week 2 due to my opponnents being scared, however this team was used week 2 by my team mate. I wanted to use Hyper Offence, since my scout has virtually no Hyper Offence usage. Orignally was going to just use Volcarona + Conkeldurr and be done with it, but thats super boring. Also Volcarona sucks like quite a lot. So I put a Scizor in the Volcarona slot on a pretty known 6 and yeah works. Latios is garbage on these to be honest, Latias at least offers some sort of utility with Healing Wish but double Healing Wish is so overkill. I gave Latios Psychic because Conkeldurr has to be respected, and a Lum Berry to make some early sequences vs Rain easier. Quick Attack Scizor for Rain matchup because Rain into modern Rain teams with Scarf Keldeo sucks. This week was a Scizor Hyper Offence mirror so a lot of subjective turns which I managed to get right that week and I won. (If you use this team and you lose to Scarf Jirachi make your Jirachi 311 Speed)

Paste - https://pokepast.es/a7c0899eea23ffcf

As you can tell, this is not Week 2. So why is this team here. What I was going to use Week 2 before I was unable to play was this Aerodactyl Hyper Offence team. I built this end of Week One, not indented into a scout but just because I wanted to build something with Aerodactyl and already planned to bring it no matter who I was going to face. I hate Aerodactyl without Sword Dance Garchomp, because in my opinion the only reason you should really use this Pokemon is to free Garchomp to use something fancy like Fire Fang, Aqua Tail, or Substitute, but thinking more about Hyper Offence as an archetype in general, it really thrives on playing fast, keeping momentum and forcing progress by beating down shared checks. The core of this I posted in my channel was Helmet Aerodactyl, Breloom and Choice Scarf Jirachi. Main idea was to force really easy sequences vs Rain by leading Aerodactyl into Politoed, Stealth Rocks, Breloom and click nuke. Jirachi on the Latios and U-Turn or force damage on the Thundurus for Dragonite or Scizor to pick off late game. The rest of the team pretty much filled itself. Starmie to Rapid Spin, Dragonite as Keldeo check and Physical beatdown, Scizor as the Ferrothorn pressure + more Physical beatdown and another anti Rain tool with Quick Attack. Quickly realised that Helmet Aerodactyl sucks without having a Kyurem-Black to punish Starmie so I went with Focus Sash to Double Edge into Jirachi U-Turn to keep Stealth Rock up in the Hyper Offence mirror. Breloom is Yache Berry to snipe Starmie's trying to Ice Beam it, and Landorus and Thundurus Hidden Power Ice. In some scenarios you can get a turn of set up where you most likely wouldn't otherwise though the lack of power is certainley noticable. Ended up using this team week 6 vs Monai in the best of three slot and it won but the game was pretty messy to say the least. Teams cool though.

(Edit here, Starmie is Psychic because Conkeldurr is annoying as fuck. Yes that does mean this team gets stomped on by most Jellicent teams, but if you are vs Jellicent in the big 25 then you're opponnent is probably very bad so you win anyways)

Paste - https://pokepast.es/1d3eedf47f079dce

This teams so bad I had to load up Smogtours just to get a screenshot of the team because it wasn't even in my main builder. I wanted to use U-Turn Gliscor + Substitute Keldeo and for some reason thought that Rain would get the most out of this core. The team to its due does have some interesting synergy, with Gliscor and Celebi absorbing Status for Ferrothorn allowing it to use Leftovers, Ferrothorn being able to run Worry Seed as a 4th move to avoid a Magnezone trap and then switch into Gliscor (In Rain Magnezone can't do anything to Ferrothorn) but thats about where it ends. Choice Scarf Politoed here because the team is pretty slow and run over by Dragonite and Alakazam if you're not Scarf. I probably should not admit this but the Celebi was Calm Mind because I wanted a way of sitting on Thundurus while also setting up and having something that can win me the game. This team is complete dogshit, mono lose to Ferrothorn and should never see the light of day.

Paste - https://pokepast.es/2845a413bcc72bf7

FCPL? Yeah I reused a team from another side tour in BWPL in the same week, but the teams fire and it did get used so it's here. Very basic Alakazam Psyspam, with a Skamory in the Ferrothorn slot and a Latias in the Latios slot. Choice Specs Latias over Latios because extra bulk is good, especially when your Keldeo checks otherwise are Rotom and sacking something to get Alakazam in. Choice Scarf Landorus checks Alakazam 99 percent of the time (the one percent being you sent it out as your opp clicked ice and owned the shit out of you) so I went Custap Berry on Tyranitar because that Pokemon is broken. Stealth Rock on Tyranitar sucks but it does its job, not as horrible as people make it out to be. Just dont be an idiot and click Stealth Rock on Ground Types not named Gliscor and you'll be fine. Hidden Power Fire Rotom to break Ferrothorn for Specs Latias and Choice Scarf Landorus so it can spam U-Turn freely. This team is soft into Fat, since Sash Alakazam and not Life Orb, but you need Focus Sash to beat Volcarona and most Hyper Offences at that and Hyper Offence is a lot more common than Fat.

Paste - https://pokepast.es/831ed4a1ce4b63c9

Final thoughts - Volcarona sucks, should be banned. But Life Orb Alakazam would be insanely broken if we banned it so keep. Best of three BW is probably the worst format on the site since its just matchup fish central. Tier's in a good spot right now stop bringing garbage.