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CAP 4 CAP 4 - Part 12 (Complete Movepool Poll 3)

Whose movepool should we use?

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DougJustDoug said:
I'll rephrase "Flavor is bullshit" a little nicer and more to the point -- "We should not be discussing flavor so much."

I find it terribly disappointing that in the VAST NUMBER of posts that discuss Tailwind, almost NONE OF THEM actually talk about the impact of the move on the metagame. Almost none. That is utterly pathetic for a project that is supposedly comprised of learned metagame players. All we talk about is pre-evos, and wings, and Butterfree, and wind-powers on Suicune, and whether spinning hands can make the wind blow, how he can push other pokemon from behind, blah blah BLAH! What a fucking joke...

Here we have a move that can raise the entire teams speed, and we have paired it with an ability that adds two additional turns to that effect. How can that NOT be meaningful in the metagame?!? I'm not saying it's broken, nor am I saying it is underpowered. But, surely someone would think it might be mentioned when discussing the move. But, nooooo! Of all these people on the project that see fit to post discussion about Tailwind -- all everyone can think about is the FLAVOR in which the pokemon executes the move? That is incredibly disappointing to me.
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Dude, I'm all with you! I THINK IT SHOULD HAVE TAILWIND! I just think it would have been better as mechanically identical, alternate flavor signature move! Or anything! I don't see how that makes all this a bunch of crap! I'm not saying that we should sacrifice mechanics in any way! I certainly did say that once, but I never said it again after you made this post back in the Support Moves poll.

Look, this is not about flavor vs. mechanics or any of that bullcrap. That's not even what I'm talking about. I'm not saying that we should put flavor in front of mechanics, or even on par with mechanics. But if going to have Tailwind anyway, then what is so wrong about asking for the flavor to be moderated in the slightest bit?! Christ on a crutch. This is not a disgrace. What would be a disgrace is if people didn't let this Pokémon be the best it can be, and the whole preevo thing isn't getting in the way of the mechanics at all. It's just making the flavor a little bit more manageable. It still has the move. It can still double your team's speed for five turns. Great. Okay? Whatever.

I sent Sunday a PM asking him if we could have a poll to see if people would rather have it be an alternate-flavor signature move so that we wouldn't have to be dealing with this preevo bullshit in the first place, but he never replied! I understand he's a busy man, but I'm sick of everybody rolling their eyes at this when I'm not even proposing anything that gets in the way of the mechanics at all! I used to be all like, "oh, how could it get U-Turn, everything else that gets U-Turn either flies or is really zippy," and I don't say shit like that anymore. I understand why this thing needs Tailwind. I'm just saying that anyone who says that the flavor isn't messed up here is just kidding themselves, and why the hell can't we take a couple of extra steps to patch up the flavor when the mechanics don't change one bit.

What's such a fucking joke is that we're still sitting here talking about this at all, when this all could have been done with a long time ago if we'd just compromised like I'd suggested and make an alternate-flavor signature move. Am I really such an anarchist to suggest that we get our heads out of our asses and meet each other halfway? Sorry for trying to save a sabotaged flavor in a way that still leaves the mechanics perfectly intact. Jeeze.
 
ParadOxymoron said:
Dude, I'm all with you! I THINK IT SHOULD HAVE TAILWIND! I just think it would have been better as mechanically identical, alternate flavor signature move! Or anything! I don't see how that makes all this a bunch of crap! I'm not saying that we should sacrifice mechanics in any way! I certainly did say that once, but I never said it again after you made this post back in the Support Moves poll.

Look, this is not about flavor vs. mechanics or any of that bullcrap. That's not even what I'm talking about. I'm not saying that we should put flavor in front of mechanics, or even on par with mechanics. But if going to have Tailwind anyway, then what is so wrong about asking for the flavor to be moderated in the slightest bit?! Christ on a crutch. This is not a disgrace. What would be a disgrace is if people didn't let this Pokémon be the best it can be, and the whole preevo thing isn't getting in the way of the mechanics at all. It's just making the flavor a little bit more manageable. It still has the move. It can still double your team's speed for five turns. Great. Okay? Whatever.

I sent Sunday a PM asking him if we could have a poll to see if people would rather have it be an alternate-flavor signature move so that we wouldn't have to be dealing with this preevo bullshit in the first place, but he never replied! I understand he's a busy man, but I'm sick of everybody rolling their eyes at this when I'm not even proposing anything that gets in the way of the mechanics at all! I used to be all like, "oh, how could it get U-Turn, everything else that gets U-Turn either flies or is really zippy," and I don't say shit like that anymore. I understand why this thing needs Tailwind. I'm just saying that anyone who says that the flavor isn't screwed up by its presence is just kidding themselves, and why the hell can't we take a couple of extra steps to patch up the flavor when the mechanics don't change one bit.
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Because the flavor doesn't matter in the slightest, and we have more important things to do than waste a day on flavor. Like make a pokemon for example.
 
Lol my vote is still underneath X-Act can we please change it to TennisAce?

I requested this before but I want to make sure this happens since the vote is so close.
 
I really would have liked Spider web, more for flavor then actual use, but it wouldn't be useless though, with encore as a horrible annoying combination.
 
Know what I find funny?

X-Acts set gets whirlwind, but not tailwind

Tennis' set gets tailwind, but not whirlwind...

having one and not the other makes no sense to me .___.
 
Aldaron said:
Lol my vote is still underneath X-Act can we please change it to TennisAce?

I requested this before but I want to make sure this happens since the vote is so close.
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The two changes were noted as Sunday said. Your vote is listed for X-act, but it counts for tennis.

Also, it's tied when you take the two changes into account. Ő_Ő

Atyroki said:
Know what I find funny?

X-Acts set gets whirlwind, but not tailwind

Tennis' set gets tailwind, but not whirlwind...

having one and not the other makes no sense to me .___.
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X-act's does have both...
 
And I have Roar and Haze, which make up for the random Mr. Mime, Exploud, and Krickitune you'll face with Soundproof.

EDIT: Thank you Flounder for pointing that out on the server.
 
@Flounder: Ah, I didn't see X-Act's prevo stuff =/

@Tennis: I'm aware of that, it just doesn't make sense to me is all
(not like pokemon has to, just look at rhyperior)

Electrode also has soundproof
 
hey, sunday... I was entirely joking about it. It was more an excuse for me to say vote for me. (and I meant order in the thread, not the poll, poll doesn't matter so much).
 
tennisace0227 said:
Because the flavor doesn't matter in the slightest, and we have more important things to do than waste a day on flavor. Like make a pokemon for example.
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Is that why art and spriting are always the threads open the longest by far, anyway voted for X-Act on the basis of the 2vs2 moves. I wouldn't mind either set winning though.
 
Man, I'm really torn between the two. X-Act's has a bunch of moves that I sort of want (Knock Off, Gunk Shot, Me First, Sucker Punch, Pursuit), but Tennis's has U-turn, which is probably my single favorite move in the game. Ended up voting for Tennis's, though (make sure not to forget something like that next time, X-act!).
 
Man, this poll is still tied (counting the two switch over votes). It's coming down to the last couple people who are going to vote. :-(
 
We're nip-and-tuck. That means that half the people are going to be disappointed with not having either Knock Off or U-turn. This doesn't make sense to me. I think the movepool should have both! We're not talking about gamebreaking moves here.

And Aldaron, the votes cannot be moved by a moderator (with a + next to his name); it needs to be a super moderator (with a * next to his name) or higher to be able to move votes. Sunday made a reminder to himself that your vote and that of Time Mage be transferred to tennis.

I'm bitter with myself that a simple oversight from my part might lose me the poll. I haven't won a single poll so far for some reason. My ideas are just not the ideas of the majority I suppose.

EDIT: Yeah, the results are 49 for me and 50 for tennis. What's going to happen?
 
Well, the final results 49 to X-Act, and 50 to Tennis. Right down to the wire. Before I close this thread I want comments on X-Act's suggestion.
X-Act said:
Hello, I have a suggestion for when the movepool poll ends.

I'm seeing most people voting like "Hmm... I prefer not having Knock Off than not have U-turn, so I voted for tennis" or "I prefer having Knock Off more than U-turn so I voted for X-Act". I'm sure, however, that most people actually want BOTH moves in the movepool, and are voting for the one who they think is more important.

We're currently running nip-and-tuck in the poll, and I think this trend will continue until when the poll ends. This means that the decision of Knock Off versus U-turn is extremely balanced, which suggests again that it makes more sense to include both moves, rather than deprive half of the voters with the move they wanted.

To be honest, if the people want Knock Off and U-turn in the same movepool, then I don't see why not putting them both in, really. We're not talking about really gamebreaking moves here. It could be accomplished rather easily with my movepool: I could just replace the level-up move Whirlwind with Haze (to make the people who REALLY want Haze over Whirlwind happy -_-) and add U-turn in the TM list. Bingo. And I'm sure that tennis' movepool could replace one of his egg moves with Knock Off easily as well.

I'd propose, then, to use the winner's movepool and add Knock Off or U-turn to it at the end of the poll.
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In essence both movepools in this poll should be the same competitivly, and we should just be voting on flavour. It turned into a vote for certain moves because this Pokemon's movepool just can't be big enough for every competitive option. As X-Act said, adding something like Knock Off isn't groundbreaking or overpowering, so what are peoples opinions on making this into a win-win situation rather than a 50 win, 49 lose?
 
And I presume that tennis' movepool will be used, right, despite losing by only one vote.
 
Win-win please Knock Off and U-turn are both important.

I apologize to both submitters for not more diligently checking the lists, as it is certainly upon the community to help the submitters out.

Just for the sake of posterity, if we are going to have a win-win (and it seems most people want a win-win), can we perhaps have a revote with the win win for both?

Even with each move added to both movepools, they are pretty different. I would certainly change my vote back to X-Act if the win-win was allowed, and I think for the sake of the project it should be allowed.
 
50-49 is nowhere near a clear cut victory too. It is basically equality. If you look at the percentages, none of us got more than 50% actually, since 7 people decided not to vote.

I'd suggest to do one final poll, concurrent with your next topic, asking people if they want tennis' movepool with Knock Off, or my movepool with U-turn.

Although I wouldn't mind whatever you choose to do, Sunday.
 
Aldaron said:
Even with each move added to both movepools, they are pretty different. I would certainly change my vote back to X-Act if the win-win was allowed, and I think for the sake of the project it should be allowed.
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I agree with this.


If the next poll is a bold poll, would it be possible to add a should we add "knock off" to the movepool as a poll?
 
I agree to the win win. I was actually going to suggest sneaking them in later, but this works too. And HOLY CRAP HOW DID I WIN?
I went to bed at midnight down by 1...

EDIT: I c waht Fishin did thar...
 
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