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Celebi (Special Attacker + U-turn)

The spread sounds great, so I'll add it in as well. tbh, I don't think 252 EVs with a Modest nature is an exact necessity, and I've always been a supporter of Modest + <252 spreads.
 
Super Mario Bro said:
I would like to point out that the 176 HP / 252 SpA / 80 Spe Timid spread in AC is outclassed by 176 HP / 156 SpA / 176 Spe Modest, which yields 3 more points in SpA and 1 less point in speed. Then again, I don't really see why it would need that extra point because 280 is just enough to outrun Adamant Lucario anyway.
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Hmm, good catch, Super Mario Bro! You forgot that HP Fire results in a Speed IV of 30 and Special Attack IV of 30, so the spread should be 176 HP / 152 SpA / 180 Spe. Celebi gains 1 extra Special Attack point, but that's still better than nothing.
 
Okay, this is all written up, though I still don't know whether to name this plain, good ol' "Special Attacker", "Offensive Scouter", or "Navi" (I've been looking for a NAVI acronym, then I gave up, haha). Feel free to check it, though I don't want a second GP check until after I talk with a few guys.
 
in my opinion u could add stealth rocks as an option since u could use celebi as a stealth rocker if u need a pokemon that can set up rocks safely,and with u turn u can get out of situations where u cant set up rocks,i tihnk it deserves a mention. And im with Pocket,psychic deservers a mention and it really grants u a stab coverege that should be considered.
move 1: Leaf Storm
move 2: Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ice
move 3: Stealth Rocks / U-Turn / Psychic / Earth Power
move 4: U-turn / Recover
item: Leftovers / Life Orb
nature: Modest
evs: 176 HP / 152 SpA / 180 Spe
 
[SET]
name: Navi (Non-Choiced Attacker)
move 1: Leaf Storm
move 2: Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ice
move 3: Earth Power / U-turn
move 4: U-turn / Recover
item: Leftovers / Life Orb
nature: Modest
evs: 176 HP / 152 SpA / 180 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Although Celebi is commonly seen using Nasty Plot to pose as a threat, it is perfectly capable of functioning offensively without the use of boosting moves, as proven by the TinkerBell set. Like its sister set, Navi also operates on a hit-and-run basis, but the main difference between the two is this set's emphasis on utility and momentum rather than support. AdditionallyMoreover, Navi isn't quite as straightforward as Tinkerbell in terms of options; if you want Navi to function well on its team, a little mixing and matching between Celebi's moves is required. This largely depends on the offensive support its teammates can provide it. Arguably, tThe most important move on this set is arguably U-turn, which turns Celebi into a valuable "glue" Pokemon with solid defenses, typing, and offensive prowess. U-turn also allows Celebi to scout out potential counters and switch-ins during a turn, giving you the opportunity to respond depending on the opponent's actions.</p>

<p>Besides the mandatory Leaf Storm, which is used for initial power, Celebi has to choose between a few moves in the last three slots. A Hidden Power is mandatory because ofdue to Celebi's limited coverage, but choosing one will leave Celebi susceptible to certain Pokemon, mainly —Dragon-types (if Celebi runs Hidden Power Fire) or Fire-neutral Steel-types (if runningshould you choose Hidden Power Fire, and Steel-types neutral to Fire if you choose Hidden Power Ice). In the third slot, Earth Power provides coverage against a number of Fire-types and additionalother Steel-types, especially Heatran. Be awareRemember that U-turn gives Celebi a means of escaping such Pokemon and switching to a check or counter of your own. Recover can be used for the self-explanatory recovery against repeated attacks and Life Orb recoil, but using it costs a valuable coverage move. A set with three attacks and a recovery may seem obvious, althoughbut Shaymin can perform the same set (with comparable typing to boot), and not using U-turn goes against the nature of this set. Of course, when using both Recover and U-turn, Celebi wouldill require more offensive support, so take these factors as you will.</p>

[Additional Comments]

<p>The listed EV spread provided, along with a Modest nature, allows Celebi to outrun all neutral base 90s, while yielding three more Special Attack points then it would with a Timid nature and maximized Special Attack. If you are considering using other EV spreads, keep in mind that because of U-turn (which requires Celebi to be fast) and the lack of Thunder Wave, this set requires more speed than usual. An EV spread that can give Celebi a mix of power, bulk, and Speed is ideal for upholding Celebi's role as a utility Pokemon. Of course, Celebi can simply maximize both Special Attack and Speed with either the Modest or Timid natures, at the penultimate cost of bulk. Long story short, the first thing you should consider is which targets Celebi should outrun, and the rest of the EVs and nature comes down to personal preference.</p>

<p>Leftovers would be the preferred choiceis recommended over Life Orb because Celebi often takes repeated hits, and the beneficial recovery can help Celebi in disguising itself as a defensive sets and luring in targets. Life Orb, of course, can be used for the additional power, and is complementary with Recover, if Celebi uses it. Other than the item of choice, there are also several other move options to consider. Celebi has the distinction of being bulky and flexible enough to set up Stealth Rock if your team requires entry hazard support. Psychic is decent STAB option for the second or third slots, capable of dealing hard hits to many threats without lowering Celebi's Special Attack. Psychic also hits many threats, such as Conkeldurr, Tentacruel, and Volcarona, harder than its standard options. Last, but not least, Baton Pass is also usable over U-turn for escaping Pursuit users more safely, but passing Special Attack decreases from Leaf Storm may prove to be disadvantageous if the receiver is also a special attacker.</p>

<p>The usual matter of limited coverage also applies to this set, but U-turn somewhat mitigates this issue somewhat since, as Celebi can identify and scout out possible threats. As a matter of fact, this set works extremely well with "trap" Pokemon; to specify, some of Celebi's biggest checks and counters can be trapped and eliminated by Pokemon with Pursuit or the abilities, Arena Trap, or Magnet Pull. This is made even better by U-turn, ensuring that your opponent can't outpredict you by shifting Pokemon, therefore making the task of trapping and killing even easier. For instance, many Steel-types, especially Scizor and Skarmory, may attempt to set up on a -2 SpA Celebi, but after Celebi uses U-turn, they may find themselves begging for mercy in the presence of Magnezone (preferable one with Volt Switch to complete the VoltTurn combination). The same situation applies to Dugtrio (for trapping Heatran and Tyranitar) and a Tyranitar or Scizor with Pursuit (for Latias, Latios, and various other Psychic-types). Additionally, Rapid Spin users are also recommended as teammates, since Celebi will switch in and out repeatedly, and will thus run into entry hazards.</p>
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[SET]
name: Navi (Non-Choiced Attacker)
move 1: Leaf Storm
move 2: Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ice
move 3: Earth Power / U-turn
move 4: U-turn / Recover
item: Leftovers / Life Orb
nature: Modest
evs: 176 HP / 152 SpA / 180 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Although Celebi is commonly seen using Nasty Plot to pose a threat, it is perfectly capable of functioning offensively without the use of boosting moves, as proven by the TinkerBell set. Like its sister set, Navi also operates on a hit-and-run basis, but the main difference between the two is this set's emphasis on utility and momentum rather than support. Moreover, Navi isn't quite as straightforward as Tinkerbell in terms of options; if you want Navi to function well on its team, a little mixing and matching between Celebi's moves is required. This largely depends on the offensive support its teammates can provide it. The most important move on this set is arguably U-turn, which turns Celebi into a valuable "glue" Pokemon with solid defenses, typing, and offensive prowess. U-turn also allows Celebi to scout out potential counters and switch-ins during a turn, giving you the opportunity to respond depending on the opponent's actions.</p>

<p>Besides the mandatory Leaf Storm, which is used for initial power, Celebi has to choose between a few moves in the last three slots. A Hidden Power is mandatory due to Celebi's limited coverage, but choosing one will leave Celebi susceptible to certain Pokemon—Dragon-types should you choose Hidden Power Fire, and Steel-types neutral to Fire if you choose Hidden Power Ice. In the third slot, Earth Power provides coverage against a number of Fire-types and other Steel-types, especially Heatran. Remember that U-turn gives Celebi a means of escaping such Pokemon and switching to a check or counter of your own. Recover can be used for the self-explanatory recovery against repeated attacks and Life Orb recoil, but using it costs a valuable coverage move. A set with three attacks and a recovery may seem obvious, but Shaymin can perform the same set (with comparable typing to boot) and not using U-turn goes against the nature of this set. Of course, when using both Recover and U-turn, Celebi will require more offensive support, so take these factors as you will.</p>

[Additional Comments]

<p>The EV spread provided, along with a Modest nature, allows Celebi to outrun all neutral base 90s, while yielding three more Special Attack points then it would with a Timid nature and maximized Special Attack. If you are considering using other EV spreads, keep in mind that because of U-turn (which requires Celebi to be fast) and the lack of Thunder Wave, this set requires more speed than usual. An EV spread that can give Celebi a mix of power, bulk, and Speed is ideal for upholding Celebi's role as a utility Pokemon. Of course, Celebi can simply maximize both Special Attack and Speed with either the Modest or Timid natures, at the cost of bulk. Long story short, the first thing you should consider is which targets Celebi should outrun, and the rest of the EVs and nature comes down to personal preference.</p>

<p>Leftovers is recommended over Life Orb because Celebi often takes repeated hits, and the beneficial recovery can help Celebi in disguising itself as a defensive set and luring in targets. Life Orb, of course, can be used for the additional power, and is complementary with Recover, if Celebi uses it. Other than the item choice, there are also several other move options to consider. Celebi has the distinction of being bulky and flexible enough to set up Stealth Rock if your team requires entry hazard support. Psychic is decent STAB option for the second or third slots, capable of dealing hard hits to many threats without lowering Celebi's Special Attack. Psychic also hits many threats, such as Conkeldurr, Tentacruel, and Volcarona, harder than its standard options. Last but not least, Baton Pass is also usable over U-turn for escaping Pursuit users more safely, but passing Special Attack decreases from Leaf Storm may prove to be disadvantageous if the receiver is also a special attacker.</p>

<p>The usual matter of limited coverage also applies to this set, but U-turn somewhat mitigates this issue, as Celebi can identify and scout out possible threats. As a matter of fact, this set works extremely well with "trap" Pokemon; to specify, some of Celebi's biggest checks and counters can be trapped and eliminated by Pokemon with Pursuit, Arena Trap, or Magnet Pull. This is made even better by U-turn, ensuring that your opponent can't outpredict you by shifting Pokemon, therefore making the task of trapping and killing even easier. For instance, many Steel-types, especially Scizor and Skarmory, may attempt to set up on a -2 SpA Celebi, but after Celebi uses U-turn, they may find themselves begging for mercy in the presence of Magnezone (preferable one with Volt Switch to complete the VoltTurn combination). The same situation applies to Dugtrio (for trapping Heatran and Tyranitar) and a Tyranitar or Scizor with Pursuit (for Latias, Latios, and various other Psychic-types). Rapid Spin users are also recommended as teammates, since Celebi will switch in and out repeatedly, and will thus run into entry hazards.</p>
Good job; not too many errors here.
 
am gp check coming soon
now done

AccidentalGreed said:
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[SET]
name: Navi (Non-Choiced Attacker)
move 1: Leaf Storm
move 2: Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ice
move 3: Earth Power / U-turn
move 4: U-turn / Recover
item: Leftovers / Life Orb
nature: Modest
evs: 176 HP / 152 SpA / 180 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Although Celebi is commonly seen using Nasty Plot to pose be a threat, it is perfectly capable of functioning offensively without the use of boosting moves, as proven by the TinkerBell set. Like its sister set, Navi also operates on a hit-and-run basis, but the main difference between the two is this set's emphasis on utility and momentum rather than support. Moreover, Navi isn't quite as straightforward as Tinkerbell in terms of options; if you want Navi to function well on its team, a little mixing and matching between Celebi's moves is required. This largely depends on the offensive support its teammates can provide it. The most important move on this set is arguably U-turn, which turns Celebi into a valuable "glue" Pokemon with solid defenses, typing, and offensive prowess. U-turn also allows Celebi to scout out potential counters and switch-ins during a turn, giving you the opportunity to respond depending on the opponent's actions.</p>

<p>Besides the mandatory Leaf Storm, which is used for initial power, Celebi has to choose between a few moves in the last three slots. A Hidden Power is mandatory due to Celebi's limited coverage, but choosing one will leave Celebi susceptible to certain Pokemon—Dragon-types should you choose Hidden Power Fire, and Steel-types neutral to Fire if you choose Hidden Power Ice. In the third slot, Earth Power provides coverage against a number of Fire-types and other Steel-types, especially Heatran. Remember that U-turn gives Celebi a means of escaping such Pokemon and switching to a check or counter of your own. Recover can be used for the self-explanatory recovery against repeated attacks and Life Orb recoil, but using it costs a valuable coverage move. A set with three attacks and a recovery may seem obvious, but Shaymin can perform the same set (with arguably less exploitable weaknesses to boot) and not using U-turn goes against the nature of this set. Of course, when using both Recover and U-turn, Celebi will require more offensive support, so take these factors as you will.</p>

[Additional Comments]

<p>The EV spread provided, along with a Modest nature, allows Celebi to outrun all neutral base 90s, while yielding three more Special Attack points than it would with a Timid nature and maximized Special Attack. If you are considering using other EV spreads, keep in mind that because of U-turn (which requires Celebi to be fast) and the lack of Thunder Wave, this set requires more speed than usual. An EV spread that can give Celebi a mix of power, bulk, and Speed is ideal for upholding Celebi's role as a utility Pokemon. Of course, Celebi can simply maximize both Special Attack and Speed with either the Modest or Timid natures, at the cost of bulk. Long story short, the first thing you should consider is which targets Celebi should outrun, and the rest of the EVs and nature comes down to personal preference.</p>

<p>Leftovers is recommended over Life Orb because Celebi often takes repeated hits, and the beneficial recovery can help Celebi in disguising itself as a defensive set and luring in targets. Life Orb, of course, can be used for the additional power, and is should be complementedwith Recover, if Celebi uses it. Other than the item choice, there are also several other move options to consider. Celebi has the distinction of being bulky and flexible enough to set up Stealth Rock if your team requires entry hazard support. Psychic is decent STAB option for the second or third slots, capable of dealing hard hits to many threats without lowering Celebi's Special Attack. Psychic also hits many threats, such as Conkeldurr, Tentacruel, and Volcarona, harder than its standard options. Last but not least, Baton Pass is also usable over U-turn for escaping Pursuit users more safely, but passing Special Attack decreases from Leaf Storm may prove to be disadvantageous if the receiver is also a special attacker.</p>

<p>The usual matter of limited coverage also applies to this set, but U-turn somewhat mitigates this issue, as Celebi can identify and scout out possible threats. As a matter of fact, this set works extremely well with "trap" Pokemon; to specify, some of Celebi's biggest checks and counters can be trapped and eliminated by Pokemon with Pursuit, Arena Trap, or Magnet Pull. This is made even better by U-turn, ensuring that your opponent can't outpredict you by shifting Pokemon, therefore making the task of trapping and killing even easier. For instance, many Steel-types, especially Scizor and Skarmory, may attempt to set up on a -2 SpA Celebi, but after Celebi uses U-turn, they may find themselves begging for mercy in the presence of Magnezone (preferable one with Volt Switch to complete the VoltTurn combination). The same situation applies to Dugtrio (for trapping Heatran and Tyranitar) and a Tyranitar or Scizor with Pursuit (for Latias, Latios, and various other Psychic-types). Rapid Spin users are also recommended as teammates, since Celebi will switch in and out repeatedly, and will thus run into entry hazards.</p>

Why this set should be on-site:

  • One of the most popular, if not THE most popular (according to statistics), Celebi sets in the current metagame
  • An immediately powerful attacker that doesn’t require much prediction (Natural Cure helps)
  • Achieves the best coverage
  • Unlike other Celebi sets, isn’t limited by coverage since it has three special attacks
  • Great typing and good Speed, along with Baton Pass or U-turn, makes Celebi suitable for many offensive or balanced teams
  • Provides great utility depending on the fourth move used (covered below)
Additional Comments

  • U-turn allows for easy scouting, except it deals minor damage and doesn’t block Pursuit.
  • Scizor can be beaten with Leaf Storm + -2 Hidden Power Fire
  • Baton Pass can be used for an easy escape from Pursuit, although the -2 boost can be annoying
  • Life Orb recoil adds up pretty fast if you're considering it, so it's not particularly recommended over Leftovers.
  • U-turn doesn't solve Heatran problems, but you can at least scout it out and either use a counter or Earth Power later.
  • Do I really have to get in-depth with the natures here? (Well actually there's some viable spreads that can be used alongside the Modest nature, explained below)
  • Significant Speed investment is preferred because Celebi doesn’t have Thunder Wave, and can outrun many Pokemon before they can hit it.
  • Celebi may also use Psychic in place of Earth Power if certain Steel-types are not issues. Psychic serves as a good coverage option against Tentacruel and Conkeldurr.
  • 176 HP / 152 SpA / 180 Spe, Modest (outruns neutral base 90 Pokemon) and yields more overall benefit than Timid spreads.
  • and 144 HP / 252 SpA / 112 Spe, Modest (outruns Adamant Dragonite) for more bulk and a good amount of Speed.
Teammates and Counters

  • Teammates include Pokemon that can switch into Pursuit and U-turn for Celebi, since these moves are exactly what it’s trying to escape from
  • Fill in those coverage holes (depends on the Hidden Power)
  • Counters for Scizor and Ferrothorn if running Hidden Power Ice, counters for Dragonite and friends if running Hidden Power Fire.
  • Doesn’t have Thunder Wave to cripple Latios, Latias, and Volcarona, so get teammates for them as well.
  • Possibly best used with another U-turn or Volt Switch user, a reason why this set probably gained popularity in the first place.
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Actually, feel free to check it, since I can just edit the set with the new name we're deciding, and it would save a lot of time on Sir's part.
 
Alright, a few things:

Remove the " be" in the first line of [SET COMMENTS].
[Additional Comments] should be [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS].

"..for the additional power, and is should be complementedwith Recover, if Celebi uses it."

Change to:

"..for the additional power, and is should be complemented with Recover, if Celebi uses it."

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Other than that:

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Thanks for the final GP check, and this is pretty much done.

Somebody can upload this and/or make the name change over SCMS if necessary, but I'll try talking to some people before uploading. There's only three instances of "Navi" on the analysis, so if push comes to shove, it's easy to edit.
 
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