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Pokémon Clefable

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Hey guys,

I absolutely love Clefable. I think the buff that she got in this generation was needed.

I made a set but I am not sure if it is going to work out or not or if it's been made before or tested, but I want your guy's opinion. This is a support set that I made for her.

Clefable @ Light Clay or Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP/132 DEF/124 SP.Def
Calm Nature
Moveset:
- Light Screen
- Reflect
- Moonblast/ Ice Beam
- Healing Wish/ Thunder-Wave

Basically set up screens and switch out until later in the game when you need to heal your sweepers. Or you can set up screens, thunder-wave faster opponents, and switch back out until you need screens again. Guess it depends on what your team needs.

Thoughts?
 
PokemonObserver said:
Hey guys,

I absolutely love Clefable. I think the buff that she got in this generation was needed.

I made a set but I am not sure if it is going to work out or not or if it's been made before or tested, but I want your guy's opinion. This is a support set that I made for her.

Clefable @ Light Clay or Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP/132 DEF/124 SP.Def
Calm Nature
Moveset:
- Light Screen
- Reflect
- Moonblast/ Ice Beam
- Healing Wish/ Thunder-Wave

Basically set up screens and switch out until later in the game when you need to heal your sweepers. Or you can set up screens, thunder-wave faster opponents, and switch back out until you need screens again. Guess it depends on what your team needs.

Thoughts?
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I'd say Latias/Cresselia do such a set better overall, worse defensive typing though but it shouldn't matter too much for a pure support mon.
 
PokemonObserver said:
Hey guys,

I absolutely love Clefable. I think the buff that she got in this generation was needed.

I made a set but I am not sure if it is going to work out or not or if it's been made before or tested, but I want your guy's opinion. This is a support set that I made for her.

Clefable @ Light Clay or Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP/132 DEF/124 SP.Def
Calm Nature
Moveset:
- Light Screen
- Reflect
- Moonblast/ Ice Beam
- Healing Wish/ Thunder-Wave

Basically set up screens and switch out until later in the game when you need to heal your sweepers. Or you can set up screens, thunder-wave faster opponents, and switch back out until you need screens again. Guess it depends on what your team needs.

Thoughts?
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Not a fan of dual screening this generation, because Defog easily remove screens, so it's not as reliable. Of course this should work against more offensive teams, which can't afford free slot for Defog or it would totally kill their momentum (like on Hyper Offense). And I also agree there are better Pokemon for dual screening anyway.
 
I like Klefki more for dual screens because of Prankster. With Switcheroo and Thunder Wave you can also easily cripple 1-2 other mon on their team
 
Jaroda said:
I like Klefki more for dual screens because of Prankster. With Switcheroo and Thunder Wave you can also easily cripple 1-2 other mon on their team
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Klefki is a good dual screener surely, I would have mentioned him but unlike Clefable, Latias and Cresselia he doesn't get Healing Wish/Lunar Dance which is one of the main reasons to even consider clefable as a screener tbh.
 
I forgot all about Defog... Probably because I rarely run into them... and I agree that Klefki is a better screener, but like Mitch said Healing Wish is the one thing that Clefable has over Klefki and that's the main reason why I am using her.

But yeah, Defog Scizor scares the hell out of this set. Should I put Flamethrower/Fire Blast over Moonblast to scare it off? She loses STAB, but all she's meant to do is set up screens and pass off Healing Wish... (Which BTW has an awesome animation)

Thoughts?
 
Honestly I wouldn't bother with dual screen clefable, Latias is much faster and hits way harder and Cresselia is a lot bulkier and still faster and both have access to Healing Wish.

Defog Scizor is ofc a problem, so pair your screener with something like Bisharp or Thundurus to discourage defogging.
 
Mitchhhhhh said:
Honestly I wouldn't bother with dual screen clefable, Latias is much faster and hits way harder and Cresselia is a lot bulkier and still faster and both have access to Healing Wish.

Defog Scizor is ofc a problem, so pair your screener with something like Bisharp or Thundurus to discourage defogging.
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Exactly. If you want a screener that can use healing Wish I think Latias is far better than Clefable because of her Speed, helping ensure you can get the Healing Wish off.

While Clefable has several amazing support moves and early on I used her as a general support pokemon with Stealth Rock, Reflect and Aromatherapy, it is a huge overlook of her potential honestly. I prefer fast support pokemon personally, because I want to ensure the support moves get out.
 
Came up with a new set because I'm obsessed with Clefable. Here it is.

Offensive Cleric
Clefable @ Life Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 Sp.Atk.
Modest Nature
Moveset:
-Aromatherapy
-Ice Beam/Thunder-Wave
-Flamethrower/Fire Blast
-Moon Blast

Blast foes away with Life Orb attacks and support your team mates with Aromatherapy. Thoughts?
 
PokemonObserver said:
Came up with a new set because I'm obsessed with Clefable. Here it is.

Offensive Cleric
Clefable @ Life Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 Sp.Atk.
Modest Nature
Moveset:
-Aromatherapy
-Ice Beam/Thunder-Wave
-Flamethrower/Fire Blast
-Moon Blast

Blast foes away with Life Orb attacks and support your team mates with Aromatherapy. Thoughts?
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Softboiled > Aromatherapy, you could run both and drop Ice Beam/T-Wave but running Aromatherapy without Recovery seems silly to me.
 
I can vouch for the usefulness of Unaware Clefable from experience. Calm Mind and Moonlight makes this thing ridiculously hard to kill without a sack on the opponent's part. I run:

Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Fire Blast
- Moonblast
- Moonlight

I typically have two things to work with Clefable: Hazard Control and a Dragon lure (particularly to lure in Dragonite).
If this thing can bluff Magic Guard, I've found most opponents will try to use it as set-up fodder, then eat a Moonlast on the attack attempt, or a Fire Blast on the Steel switch-in.
 
Is fake tears viable on clefable (instead of calm mind)? If you think about it, you're accomplishing more in 1 turn then you do with calm mind. I think it's best to use clefable to counter specific threats, rather than as a sweeper. Fake tears will help her weaken whatever is sent in to wall her and let her hit her counters even harder.
 
lmitchell0012 said:
Is fake tears viable on clefable (instead of calm mind)? If you think about it, you're accomplishing more in 1 turn then you do with calm mind. I think it's best to use clefable to counter specific threats, rather than as a sweeper. Fake tears will help her weaken whatever is sent in to wall her and let her hit her counters even harder.
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Still can't touch Heatran which is her number one counter :/ But doesn't sound bad....
 
Why are people using Moonlight over Softboiled?
Unless you're running a Sun team, Softboiled is the better option due to its higher PP.
 
lmitchell0012 said:
I'm not sure if you're aware of this but she does have access to focus blast. It's not like he gets a free switch or anything
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Focus Blast is the worst attack in OU though. No, but seriously, if you have access to a movepool as fantastic as Clefable's, don't use Focus Blast. It's not like Heatran is impossible to kill, that's what teammates are for. Also, Magic Guard Calm Mind Clefable beats specially defensive Heatran 1 vs 1 if he doesn't carry Roar.
 
chive said:
Focus Blast is the worst attack in OU though. No, but seriously, if you have access to a movepool as fantastic as Clefable's, don't use Focus Blast. It's not like Heatran is impossible to kill, that's what teammates are for. Also, Magic Guard Calm Mind Clefable beats specially defensive Heatran 1 vs 1 if he doesn't carry Roar.
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Dugtrio sounds like a good trapping candidate here. Earthquake should smash Heatran back or if you keep your Focus Sash up and let Heatran drop you to 1 HP, you may just use Reversal in case he still carries Baloon.

If you for example need dragon resist and still have trapper, HP Ground Magnezone should work as well here (or Scarf Magneton).

So yeah, you may work around this.
 
Calm Mind LO clefable is freakin amazing. It Live's mega scizor's bullet punch and Flamethrower's it to OHKO dom. Just avoid Knock off though.

Clefable
Life orb
252 Sp Atk/252 HP/ 4 def
Moonblast
Calm mind
Softboiled/Ice beam/ Thunderbolt
Fire blast/Flamethrower
 
I would like criticism for this variation of the Cosmic Power Clefable
Life Orb (this is what I am most skeptical about but I want the added power)
Magic Guard
Bold
252 HP/152 Def/104 SDef (Max HP, perfect balance between defenses, could probably use to be optimized)
Cosmic Power
Moonblast
Stored Power
Soft-Boiled
Edit I found a more optimized EV spread that maintains perfect balance between defenses.
244 HP/156 Def/108 SDef (252+ Atk Gyarados Waterfall vs. 244 HP / 156+ Def Clefable: 135-160 (34.4 - 40.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO and to my knowledge any other spread that has both defenses exactly the same takes a little more damage)
 
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Superpowerer said:
I would like criticism for this variation of the Cosmic Power Clefable
Life Orb (this is what I am most skeptical about but I want the added power)
Magic Guard
Bold
252 HP/152 Def/104 SDef (Max HP, perfect balance between defenses, could probably use to be optimized)
Cosmic Power
Moonblast
Stored Power
Soft-Boiled
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Aegislash will be your weakness o.o

I use a similar set, with many variants to it. I've used, in place of moonblast, focus blast and toxic (which don't do anything on aegi) and charge beam. Charge beam works pretty well, and you can easily wall an aegi if u have at least one cosmic power up.
 
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